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As the title says, would a successor chapter of the iron hand HAVE to use augmetics or could they get away with not chopping their own hands off?
   
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Mysterious Techpriest




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Depends how close they are to the Iron Hands (and the Mechanicus). The Sons of Medusa and Steel Confessors are both into cybernetics, while it's not mentioned as much for the Brazen Claws. It also depends on how much you consider augmentation to be 'caused' by a flaw in their gene-seed.

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Is this a fluff question or a mechanical one? If it's your chapter and you want them to be descended from iron Hands but use a different chapter tactics then go for it.

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no, a successor chapter that is not official can be anything you want. I run my space marine army as a iron hands successor and not a lot of cybernetics are modeled. Since it is a custom chapter I got to write the fluff. The reson they became iron hands is due to being most genetically compatible with that chapter's geneseed. They are agricultural world with native plants that produce a large variety of textiles. They provide high quality uniform cloth to the imperium basically. when it was found that the genetics of the people were ideal for iron hands geneseed implimentation combined with the physique of the people who have been farming the planet for years and take pride in being workers they... are iron hands that prefer natural limbs though will not shy away from replacments if injured...

also they are the empiror's 'finest" and due to difference in dialect they choose aspirants based on the performance in a fashion show style walk off... and thier feel no pain migh tbe based on not having a lot of spare brainpower... They are the "Blue Steel" chapter space marines. (Zoolander marines)

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Successor chapters don't have to follow all the dogma of their parent chapter. They might be seen as black sheep by the rest of the Iron Hands lineage, but it could certainly happen!
   
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Yeah it is a fluff question, I like ferris manis and the iron hands but I was thinking of making a chapter that has links and ties to the Mechanicum but also don’t want to use cybernetics unless necessary like losing a limb in a battle not just as a sign of promotion
   
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The Chapter Tactics rules can have multiple lore explanations; consider the Red Scorpions. Their original Legion is unknown, though you might use textual clues to make an argument for the Ultramarines; but if you take a look at their old-school Chapter Tactics they used to let you take Apothecaries as Sergeants, thereby handing out FNP rolls to all their infantry, so you'd definitely use the Iron Hands Chapter Tactics rule despite the fact that it's representing a completely different lore concept than what it was written to do.

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No you definitely do not have to make your successor chapter rely heavily on cybernetics.

In fact:
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In recent novels it’s heavily implied if not outright stated that the Iron Hands themselves have been manipulated into overly obsessing that the flesh is weak by the mechanicum, and that successors like the Brazen Claws are more truly representative of their primarch.
   
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Mysterious Techpriest




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The Neimerel Scrolls attributed to the Primarch Ferrus Manus wrote:
They are not my hands.
This fact is forgotten by my brothers – inexplicably, it has always seemed to me. The hands are strong, to be sure, and have created great things for us all, but they are not mine. And that counts for something.
They forget that the silver on my arms comes from a beast that I vanquished. It is the mark of a great evil that I ended, and yet it persists within me. It is alien, artificial; an uneasy corollary to the superlative physical frame given to me by my father.
I would struggle to remove it now. The problem is not one of surgery, for I have no doubt my father’s chirurgeons could remake me entirely if he gave them the command. No, I will not remove the silver from my flesh because I have learned to depend on it.
The fault is with my mind. I rely on the augmentation given to me by my metal gauntlets, so much so that the flesh beneath them is now little more than a memory.
It is a crutch, this silver. A day will come when I will strip it from me, lest I lose the power to master myself forever. Already my Legion’s warriors replace their shield hands with metal in my honour, and so they too are learning to doubt the natural strength of their bodies. They must be weaned off this practice before it becomes a mania for them. Hatred of what is natural, of what is human, is the first and greatest of the corruptions.
So I record it here: when the time comes, I will strip my hands of their unnatural silver. I will instruct my Legion to recant their distrust of the flesh. I will turn them away from the gifts of the machine and bid them relearn the mysteries of flesh, bone and blood.
When my father’s Crusade is over, this shall be my sacred task. When the fighting is done, I shall cure my Legion, and myself. For if fighting is all there is, if we may never pause to reflect on what such devotion to strength is doing to us, then our compulsion will only grow.
Already I see the madness that path leads to, and so I shall excise the silver from my hands. In doing so I shall weaken myself and my sons, but nonetheless it must be done.
The hands are strong, and have created great things, but they are not mine.

   
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Ah yes, that's a good point!

Ferus Manus himself wasn't a fan of all the cybernetics. Make your chapter an adherent of his original beliefs.
   
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Mysterious Techpriest




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 Stux wrote:
Ah yes, that's a good point!

Ferus Manus himself wasn't a fan of all the cybernetics. Make your chapter an adherent of his original beliefs.


Yes - the new short story A Lesson in Iron highlights that.
   
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A successor chapter might not. But Iron Hands definitely all have bionics and embrace them. When they are indoctrinated into the chapter they receive their first bionic hand, so all Iron Hands would have them, the older warriors more extensively.

As to Ferrus Manus' opinion on the bionics: he saw it as a necessary thing, to make his warriors stronger, as his own silver hands did for him. The time he refers to when he would discard his silver hands, and counteract the growing obsession of the legion would be when the great crusade was over, and the imperium reigned supreme in a Galaxy of peace. Viewed in that light, Ferrus Manus' accepted it as it made his legion, and himself, stronger.

 
   
 
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