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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/01/16 22:49:53
Subject: What would it look like if an event/meta was built to have lists that used Points and PL?
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Besides being a list-building nightmare, that is? For Example, what if you were required to build your army to not exceed 2000pts AND 100PL? One of the biggest polarizers with both systems is that armies with upgrades have a clear advantage with PLs, whereas using Points can benefit armies with cheaper options. Would the systems balance each other out? My first thought would be that you would pick the units you want using 100PLs, then if you are still under 2000pts, you add upgrades until you reach the points. This might force armies to buy upgrades (as GW intended) rather than min-maxing to get more bodies But most of my 2K lists are 105+PL. So having to use both systems would force me to drop a whole unit or 2, which would make me want to add wargear on my other choices The opposite might be true too. Armies that have lower than 100PL, but are at 2000pts, might want to drop some wargear for the points to add more units But, then again, if you are already at 2K and under 100PL, you might not want to change anything Thoughts?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/01/16 22:52:26
Subject: What would it look like if an event/meta was built to have lists that used Points and PL?
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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My bet, the list optimization would take longer and we would see alot of 1980 pts /99 pl lists f.e.
Basically though it would have potential balance issues beyond the issues each systems have now.
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https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page
A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/01/17 02:23:15
Subject: What would it look like if an event/meta was built to have lists that used Points and PL?
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Monster-Slaying Daemonhunter
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Probably a some really upgraded units, and other units that are entirely bare bones.
Basically, you're saying that you have to have some upgrades, but you also have to have units. But you still wouldn't give 20 point lascannons to Guardsmen expected to die as screening, that would be a waste, so those upgrade would go to something like a Baneblade or Tank Commander that can leverage them more effectively.
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Guardsmen, hear me! Cadia may lie in ruin, but her proud people do not! For each brother and sister who gave their lives to Him as martyrs, we will reap a vengeance fiftyfold! Cadia may be no more, but will never be forgotten; our foes shall tremble in fear at the name, for their doom shall come from the barrels of Cadian guns, fired by Cadian hands! Forward, for vengeance and retribution, in His name and the names of our fallen comrades! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/01/17 02:52:23
Subject: What would it look like if an event/meta was built to have lists that used Points and PL?
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Junior Officer with Laspistol
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What I would do is build a 2000 point list, as I’m used to building lists with points, and then check it against the PL limit.
But I really don’t get the point of this excercise.
PL should have been designed for “maximum effect”. I really don’t get why units have so many options. It should be baked into the cost of the unit. Had they done that, it would have been ideal. Then, the only issue would be which weapons are selected as “upgrades”. Units with this flexibility would be more expensive than optionless units, such as Necron Warriors.
But I digress... this is a double-restriction build challenge. My “points” lists are usually very close to the PL equivalent. Usually within 3 PL of a 75 PL list. I wouldn’t have to change much.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/01/17 03:15:23
Subject: What would it look like if an event/meta was built to have lists that used Points and PL?
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Steadfast Ultramarine Sergeant
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The list I'm going to use is 1999pts and 113PL. Now I'm just playing for fun so I have all full squads with upgrades and such. Removing enough PL would leave me at roughly 150-200 off.
I like the concept but PL were meant to be an alternative to points so they weren't designed side by side with this in mind
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/01/17 03:23:47
Subject: What would it look like if an event/meta was built to have lists that used Points and PL?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Keep in mind that PL have not been adjusted in CAs.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/01/17 03:25:06
Subject: What would it look like if an event/meta was built to have lists that used Points and PL?
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
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Some armies' PL is less accurate than others, so you wouldn't see them at those events (ex. a Deathwatch Veteran post-CA is 14pts with a boltgun/chainsword, but he's still 2PL (~40pts)).
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