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The organization of the Sons of Horus may be "gone", but yes there are probably numerous Chaos Marines who originated in that Legion. Chaos and Warp fluff is entirely suitable to having veterans of the HH.
Now, are any of them mentioned in 40K fluff, or is an an army option? No.
I was just thinking about when I make my Black Legion force I wanted to think there would be some former soh in it even if it’s a small amount as the Luna Wolves/Sons Of Horus are my favourite Legion.
There are former Sons of Horus members who have joined the Black Legion. What there isn't are Sons of Horus warbands anymore (at least not by default, but "your dudes"), they all either joined Abaddon and became the Black Legion or were put down if they didn't swear fealty. There were three splinter groups that refused to bow to him but I believe two of them were wiped out and absorbed by force, and the third wears the Luna Wolves colors.
But yes, there are probably a good number of Black Legion members who were formerly Sons of Horus. I'd expect quite a few of them to be in command positions of Black Legion warbands. However, you wouldn't likely know they are Sons of Horus. They would still wear the armor of the Black Legion, for example*
* However "your dudes" might allow for let's say a shoulder pad painted in the old Sons of Horus green for some reason; maybe a unit of Chosen for example that are all made up of the remnants of an old Reaver squad from the Heresy days who still wear the ocean green color on their left shoulder pad as remembrance of where they came from, or some such.
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Faulkus Kibre is a firmer Son of Horus and a member of Abbadon’s inner circle.
As for heraldry, there’s a lot of leeway as long as you serve the war master and make some homage to the legion. There was a sorcerer who kept his rubric marines red like the pre heresy 1000 sons save for a black shoulder pad.
evil_kiwi_60 wrote: Faulkus Kibre is a firmer Son of Horus and a member of Abbadon’s inner circle.
As for heraldry, there’s a lot of leeway as long as you serve the war master and make some homage to the legion. There was a sorcerer who kept his rubric marines red like the pre heresy 1000 sons save for a black shoulder pad.
That's very different. Black Legion hunted down and killed all former Sons of Horus. Abaddon will NOT let that gak fly anywhere in his legion, it's like one of the founding principals lol.
I mean, their your guys you can paint them how they want them, but it's similar to dressing him up with the Imperial Aquila in how lore honest it is.
P.S.A. I won't read your posts if you break it into a million separate quotes and make an eyesore of it.
evil_kiwi_60 wrote: Faulkus Kibre is a firmer Son of Horus and a member of Abbadon’s inner circle.
As for heraldry, there’s a lot of leeway as long as you serve the war master and make some homage to the legion. There was a sorcerer who kept his rubric marines red like the pre heresy 1000 sons save for a black shoulder pad.
That's very different. Black Legion hunted down and killed all former Sons of Horus. Abaddon will NOT let that gak fly anywhere in his legion, it's like one of the founding principals lol.
I mean, their your guys you can paint them how they want them, but it's similar to dressing him up with the Imperial Aquila in how lore honest it is.
Strictly speaking we don't know the above for sure. Marines are probably biologically immortal and there are a number of HH SOH loyalists who we have no confirmed deaths on, including Loken. It's not impossible that a few might have ended up in the deathwatch.
evil_kiwi_60 wrote: Faulkus Kibre is a firmer Son of Horus and a member of Abbadon’s inner circle.
As for heraldry, there’s a lot of leeway as long as you serve the war master and make some homage to the legion. There was a sorcerer who kept his rubric marines red like the pre heresy 1000 sons save for a black shoulder pad.
That's very different. Black Legion hunted down and killed all former Sons of Horus. Abaddon will NOT let that gak fly anywhere in his legion, it's like one of the founding principals lol.
I mean, their your guys you can paint them how they want them, but it's similar to dressing him up with the Imperial Aquila in how lore honest it is.
Strictly speaking we don't know the above for sure. Marines are probably biologically immortal and there are a number of HH SOH loyalists who we have no confirmed deaths on, including Loken. It's not impossible that a few might have ended up in the deathwatch.
What? I have no idea what any of this has to do with my post. We're talking about ex Sons of Horus, in Black Legion, being able to fly their Sons of Horus flags. Nothing to do with Deathwatch.
Also, ftr, they aren't biologically immortal. Dante is the oldest marine in the Imperium at 1500 years old and basically blowing his lower back out everytime he lifts his axe (I'm exaggerating but he's in real bad shape). We saw with the Hrud who use time weapons, that marines not only age (which we already knew) but eventually die from it - just none of them have lived through enough battles to do so. Dante might be approaching it, he's from a Chapter that is able to extend their own vitality by drinking blood though so he'll probably be alright.
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P.S.A. I won't read your posts if you break it into a million separate quotes and make an eyesore of it.
evil_kiwi_60 wrote: Faulkus Kibre is a firmer Son of Horus and a member of Abbadon’s inner circle.
As for heraldry, there’s a lot of leeway as long as you serve the war master and make some homage to the legion. There was a sorcerer who kept his rubric marines red like the pre heresy 1000 sons save for a black shoulder pad.
That's very different. Black Legion hunted down and killed all former Sons of Horus. Abaddon will NOT let that gak fly anywhere in his legion, it's like one of the founding principals lol.
I mean, their your guys you can paint them how they want them, but it's similar to dressing him up with the Imperial Aquila in how lore honest it is.
Except that we know that you’re wrong because we have proof that there are surviving Sons of Horus in the black legion due to Kibre and his warband. It’s safe to say that many more could follow suit when the legion gained prominence. It’s not like Abaddon is going to turn down more warriors.
evil_kiwi_60 wrote: Faulkus Kibre is a firmer Son of Horus and a member of Abbadon’s inner circle.
As for heraldry, there’s a lot of leeway as long as you serve the war master and make some homage to the legion. There was a sorcerer who kept his rubric marines red like the pre heresy 1000 sons save for a black shoulder pad.
That's very different. Black Legion hunted down and killed all former Sons of Horus. Abaddon will NOT let that gak fly anywhere in his legion, it's like one of the founding principals lol.
I mean, their your guys you can paint them how they want them, but it's similar to dressing him up with the Imperial Aquila in how lore honest it is.
Except that we know that you’re wrong because we have proof that there are surviving Sons of Horus in the black legion due to Kibre and his warband. It’s safe to say that many more could follow suit when the legion gained prominence. It’s not like Abaddon is going to turn down more warriors.
That's not what he is saying. Shuppet is saying Abbadon would not abide any former Son of Horus or Luna Wolf marine to wear those colors or even think themselves as such anymore. They have one of two choices: Give fealty to Abbadon and join the Black Legion or die like mewling dogs they are.
Plenty of Black Legion marines are former Sons of Horus/Luna Wolves. A good portion of my Black Legion army background has them as former members. However, each one of them is no longer considers themselves anything but Black Legion now. None would dare wear the former colors of Horus either. Horus was a duped slave to the dark gods and an utter failure. Furthermore, my warband would not suffer the existence of any marines doing the same either. Part of what allowed my Chaos Lord to become what he is was when Abbadon returned he aided in slaughter those marines who would not give up being Sons or Horus and join the Black Legion.
I would imagine if Death to the False Emperor represents the typical hate CSM have for the IoM, then it would be like a re-roll on 3-6 with the Black Legion vs. Sons of Horus/Luna Wolves. With Abbadon probably on a roll of 1-6 (yes, always doubling the number of attacks).
That is not to say there isn't Sons of Horus or even Luna Wolves anymore either. The galaxy is a big place and warp shenanigans happen all the time. However, if the Black Legion hears of them they find them force them to join or give them a worst version of the Dark Angel treatment of Fallen.
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evil_kiwi_60 wrote: Faulkus Kibre is a firmer Son of Horus and a member of Abbadon’s inner circle.
As for heraldry, there’s a lot of leeway as long as you serve the war master and make some homage to the legion. There was a sorcerer who kept his rubric marines red like the pre heresy 1000 sons save for a black shoulder pad.
That's very different. Black Legion hunted down and killed all former Sons of Horus. Abaddon will NOT let that gak fly anywhere in his legion, it's like one of the founding principals lol.
I mean, their your guys you can paint them how they want them, but it's similar to dressing him up with the Imperial Aquila in how lore honest it is.
Except that we know that you’re wrong because we have proof that there are surviving Sons of Horus in the black legion due to Kibre and his warband. It’s safe to say that many more could follow suit when the legion gained prominence. It’s not like Abaddon is going to turn down more warriors.
That's not what he is saying. Shuppet is saying Abbadon would not abide any former Son of Horus or Luna Wolf marine to wear those colors or even think themselves as such anymore. They have one of two choices: Give fealty to Abbadon and join the Black Legion or die like mewling dogs they are.
Plenty of Black Legion marines are former Sons of Horus/Luna Wolves. A good portion of my Black Legion army background has them as former members. However, each one of them is no longer considers themselves anything but Black Legion now. None would dare wear the former colors of Horus either. Horus was a duped slave to the dark gods and an utter failure. Furthermore, my warband would not suffer the existence of any marines doing the same either. Part of what allowed my Chaos Lord to become what he is was when Abbadon returned he aided in slaughter those marines who would not give up being Sons or Horus and join the Black Legion.
I would imagine if Death to the False Emperor represents the typical hate CSM have for the IoM, then it would be like a re-roll on 3-6 with the Black Legion vs. Sons of Horus/Luna Wolves. With Abbadon probably on a roll of 1-6 (yes, always doubling the number of attacks).
That is not to say there isn't Sons of Horus or even Luna Wolves anymore either. The galaxy is a big place and warp shenanigans happen all the time. However, if the Black Legion hears of them they find them force them to join or give them a worst version of the Dark Angel treatment of Fallen.
The OP’s original question was if there were other former Sons of Horus in the black legion. The answer is objectively yes. There’s definitive proof that every single former son of horus was not killed. And it’s not out of the question that some war and scheme might pay homage to their former roll. Could they put a giant wolf pelt on a banner? Probably not, but former company markings would be fine.
The OP’s original question was if there were other former Sons of Horus in the black legion. The answer is objectively yes. There’s definitive proof that every single former son of horus was not killed. And it’s not out of the question that some war and scheme might pay homage to their former roll. Could they put a giant wolf pelt on a banner? Probably not, but former company markings would be fine.
Cool backstory for your Warband.
And I think for any other legion or chapter except the Sons of Horus/Luna Wolves paying homage to former existance to may get over looked. But like I said, Abbadon wants no remnant of Horus to remain and wouldn't abide even a small panel of marine's power armor to retain those colors. The Black Legion has a lot of warbands within it and Abbadon and his enforcers can't be everywhere. So it could still be possible for a warband to display these colors. But they would do so knowing what destruction comes their way should the wrong people find out about it. That's all I am saying.
evil_kiwi_60 wrote: Faulkus Kibre is a firmer Son of Horus and a member of Abbadon’s inner circle.
As for heraldry, there’s a lot of leeway as long as you serve the war master and make some homage to the legion. There was a sorcerer who kept his rubric marines red like the pre heresy 1000 sons save for a black shoulder pad.
That's very different. Black Legion hunted down and killed all former Sons of Horus. Abaddon will NOT let that gak fly anywhere in his legion, it's like one of the founding principals lol.
I mean, their your guys you can paint them how they want them, but it's similar to dressing him up with the Imperial Aquila in how lore honest it is.
Except that we know that you’re wrong because we have proof that there are surviving Sons of Horus in the black legion due to Kibre and his warband. It’s safe to say that many more could follow suit when the legion gained prominence. It’s not like Abaddon is going to turn down more warriors.
That's not what he is saying. Shuppet is saying Abbadon would not abide any former Son of Horus or Luna Wolf marine to wear those colors or even think themselves as such anymore. They have one of two choices: Give fealty to Abbadon and join the Black Legion or die like mewling dogs they are.
Plenty of Black Legion marines are former Sons of Horus/Luna Wolves. A good portion of my Black Legion army background has them as former members. However, each one of them is no longer considers themselves anything but Black Legion now. None would dare wear the former colors of Horus either. Horus was a duped slave to the dark gods and an utter failure. Furthermore, my warband would not suffer the existence of any marines doing the same either. Part of what allowed my Chaos Lord to become what he is was when Abbadon returned he aided in slaughter those marines who would not give up being Sons or Horus and join the Black Legion.
I would imagine if Death to the False Emperor represents the typical hate CSM have for the IoM, then it would be like a re-roll on 3-6 with the Black Legion vs. Sons of Horus/Luna Wolves. With Abbadon probably on a roll of 1-6 (yes, always doubling the number of attacks).
That is not to say there isn't Sons of Horus or even Luna Wolves anymore either. The galaxy is a big place and warp shenanigans happen all the time. However, if the Black Legion hears of them they find them force them to join or give them a worst version of the Dark Angel treatment of Fallen.
The OP’s original question was if there were other former Sons of Horus in the black legion. The answer is objectively yes. There’s definitive proof that every single former son of horus was not killed. And it’s not out of the question that some war and scheme might pay homage to their former roll. Could they put a giant wolf pelt on a banner? Probably not, but former company markings would be fine.
Cool backstory for your Warband.
At no point did I say that there was no Sons of Horus in Black Legion - I'm pretty sure they are the core of it. Stop conflating that part with your successive statement, which was that they would be fine to fly the heraldry of Sons of Horus - this is the part of your statement I disagreed with. "Screw Horus" is like a founding principal of Black Legion along with "screw the Imperium", Horus hunted down and killed any Sons of Horus who wouldn't follow that creed, which is why I said it is akin to giving your Black Legion guys the Imperial Aquila - nobody can stop you, but if your asking if it's plausible lore wise - nah.
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P.S.A. I won't read your posts if you break it into a million separate quotes and make an eyesore of it.
evil_kiwi_60 wrote: Faulkus Kibre is a firmer Son of Horus and a member of Abbadon’s inner circle.
As for heraldry, there’s a lot of leeway as long as you serve the war master and make some homage to the legion. There was a sorcerer who kept his rubric marines red like the pre heresy 1000 sons save for a black shoulder pad.
That's very different. Black Legion hunted down and killed all former Sons of Horus. Abaddon will NOT let that gak fly anywhere in his legion, it's like one of the founding principals lol.
I mean, their your guys you can paint them how they want them, but it's similar to dressing him up with the Imperial Aquila in how lore honest it is.
Strictly speaking we don't know the above for sure. Marines are probably biologically immortal and there are a number of HH SOH loyalists who we have no confirmed deaths on, including Loken. It's not impossible that a few might have ended up in the deathwatch.
What? I have no idea what any of this has to do with my post. We're talking about ex Sons of Horus, in Black Legion, being able to fly their Sons of Horus flags. Nothing to do with Deathwatch.
Also, ftr, they aren't biologically immortal. Dante is the oldest marine in the Imperium at 1500 years old and basically blowing his lower back out everytime he lifts his axe (I'm exaggerating but he's in real bad shape). We saw with the Hrud who use time weapons, that marines not only age (which we already knew) but eventually die from it - just none of them have lived through enough battles to do so. Dante might be approaching it, he's from a Chapter that is able to extend their own vitality by drinking blood though so he'll probably be alright.
Tell that to the Salamander who was found out in space from the Heresy and was still alive, though in beyond rough shape. There is to my knowledge no fluff of a marine dying of old age or natural causes. Blood Angels tend to age slower, and keep a youthful features compared to most, but that doesn't rule out that they are only going to die in combat, not time.
People should be discussing the Thrice-Cursed traitors. This refers to Sons of Horus warbands that either still worship Horus or otherwise refuse to deal with Abaddon.
The one Thrice-Cursed warband that Abaddon did crush was the Sons of the Eye, which was lead by a Sorcerer (I think.) There are at least 3 others that are featured in the fluff at one point or another.
The True Sons are a warband that still wears the same colors they did during the Heresy. There is also the Wolves of Horus who sport the original Luna Wolves colors.
There was also one that was mostly Sorcerers, but I can't remember the details offhand.
At no point did I say that there was no Sons of Horus in Black Legion - I'm pretty sure they are the core of it. Stop conflating that part with your successive statement, which was that they would be fine to fly the heraldry of Sons of Horus - this is the part of your statement I disagreed with. "Screw Horus" is like a founding principal of Black Legion along with "screw the Imperium", Horus hunted down and killed any Sons of Horus who wouldn't follow that creed, which is why I said it is akin to giving your Black Legion guys the Imperial Aquila - nobody can stop you, but if your asking if it's plausible lore wise - nah.
just a minor quibble, Black legion is at greater than legion strength (far greater depending on source), so I imagine that former lunar wolves are in the minority, since they took so much damage in siege of terra and the ensuing wars in the eye of terror. I would guess that the largest chunk of black legion are former loyalist marines that defected after the HH. Another good chunk come from other traitor legions, we know there are significant factions from the death guard, world eaters, emperors children, and a smattering from the other traitor legions, like alpha legion (I wouldn't trust them), thousand sons (including his right hand man), and night lords.
Constantly being negative doesn't make you seem erudite, it just makes you look like a curmudgeon.
evil_kiwi_60 wrote: Faulkus Kibre is a firmer Son of Horus and a member of Abbadon’s inner circle.
As for heraldry, there’s a lot of leeway as long as you serve the war master and make some homage to the legion. There was a sorcerer who kept his rubric marines red like the pre heresy 1000 sons save for a black shoulder pad.
That's very different. Black Legion hunted down and killed all former Sons of Horus. Abaddon will NOT let that gak fly anywhere in his legion, it's like one of the founding principals lol.
I mean, their your guys you can paint them how they want them, but it's similar to dressing him up with the Imperial Aquila in how lore honest it is.
Except that we know that you’re wrong because we have proof that there are surviving Sons of Horus in the black legion due to Kibre and his warband. It’s safe to say that many more could follow suit when the legion gained prominence. It’s not like Abaddon is going to turn down more warriors.
That's not what he is saying. Shuppet is saying Abbadon would not abide any former Son of Horus or Luna Wolf marine to wear those colors or even think themselves as such anymore. They have one of two choices: Give fealty to Abbadon and join the Black Legion or die like mewling dogs they are.
Plenty of Black Legion marines are former Sons of Horus/Luna Wolves. A good portion of my Black Legion army background has them as former members. However, each one of them is no longer considers themselves anything but Black Legion now. None would dare wear the former colors of Horus either. Horus was a duped slave to the dark gods and an utter failure. Furthermore, my warband would not suffer the existence of any marines doing the same either. Part of what allowed my Chaos Lord to become what he is was when Abbadon returned he aided in slaughter those marines who would not give up being Sons or Horus and join the Black Legion.
I would imagine if Death to the False Emperor represents the typical hate CSM have for the IoM, then it would be like a re-roll on 3-6 with the Black Legion vs. Sons of Horus/Luna Wolves. With Abbadon probably on a roll of 1-6 (yes, always doubling the number of attacks).
That is not to say there isn't Sons of Horus or even Luna Wolves anymore either. The galaxy is a big place and warp shenanigans happen all the time. However, if the Black Legion hears of them they find them force them to join or give them a worst version of the Dark Angel treatment of Fallen.
The OP’s original question was if there were other former Sons of Horus in the black legion. The answer is objectively yes. There’s definitive proof that every single former son of horus was not killed. And it’s not out of the question that some war and scheme might pay homage to their former roll. Could they put a giant wolf pelt on a banner? Probably not, but former company markings would be fine.
Cool backstory for your Warband.
At no point did I say that there was no Sons of Horus in Black Legion - I'm pretty sure they are the core of it. Stop conflating that part with your successive statement, which was that they would be fine to fly the heraldry of Sons of Horus - this is the part of your statement I disagreed with. "Screw Horus" is like a founding principal of Black Legion along with "screw the Imperium", Horus hunted down and killed any Sons of Horus who wouldn't follow that creed, which is why I said it is akin to giving your Black Legion guys the Imperial Aquila - nobody can stop you, but if your asking if it's plausible lore wise - nah.
Hunting down and killing everyone must have a different definition for you. I already agreed with you that a giant Luna Wolves banner would probably be a no go. But clearly some traditions did hold over from the original legion. It’s not like the black color scheme was chosen at random.
I've checked Lexicanum and found specific references to two (Falkus Kibre mentioned above and Devram Korda, who served in Sedirae's Company during the Heresy and was active at least as recently as the 13th Black Crusade).
evil_kiwi_60 wrote: Hunting down and killing everyone must have a different definition for you.
You're absolutely right, because you're still somehow not getting this, so I agree, the only explanation here must be that you have a different definition of it to me to me. I define hunting down and killing every Sons of Horus that didn't join him, as "Horus killing all the Sons of Horus he could find that wouldn't join him so that his new Legion would be entirely loyal to him and not Horus". How exactly are you defining it?
evil_kiwi_60 wrote: I already agreed with you that a giant Luna Wolves banner would probably be a no go. But clearly some traditions did hold over from the original legion. It’s not like the black color scheme was chosen at random.
Some traditions of legions to join Black Legion were of course allowed to carry over, including aesthetic ones.
One of the things that was NOT allowed was Sons of Horus heraldy. It's literally part of the founding of the chapter, how are you not getting this lol?
Of course they wouldn't be flying Luna Wolves heraldry, don't act like that's some concession you gave me to any point I was trying to make - why on earth WOULD they be? The entire legion had stopped using Luna Wolves heraldy before they had even turned to Chaos, let alone by the time Sons of Horus were turned into Black Legion.
P.S.A. I won't read your posts if you break it into a million separate quotes and make an eyesore of it.
evil_kiwi_60 wrote: Hunting down and killing everyone must have a different definition for you.
You're absolutely right, because you're still somehow not getting this, so I agree, the only explanation here must be that you have a different definition of it to me to me. I define hunting down and killing every Sons of Horus that didn't join him, as "Horus killing all the Sons of Horus he could find that wouldn't join him so that his new Legion would be entirely loyal to him and not Horus". How exactly are you defining it?
The lesson here, then is to be clearer in what you post - when you say "That's very different. Black Legion hunted down and killed all former Sons of Horus. Abaddon will NOT let that gak fly anywhere in his legion, it's like one of the founding principals lol." there is no context in there to say that you actually meant that he won't allow people to display Luna Wolves/Sons of Horus colours within the Black Legion.
What you said was that the Black Legion hunted down and killed all the Sons of Horus - yet, unfortunately, they failed to kill Abaddon.
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Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...
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- No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something...
evil_kiwi_60 wrote: Hunting down and killing everyone must have a different definition for you.
You're absolutely right, because you're still somehow not getting this, so I agree, the only explanation here must be that you have a different definition of it to me to me. I define hunting down and killing every Sons of Horus that didn't join him, as "Horus killing all the Sons of Horus he could find that wouldn't join him so that his new Legion would be entirely loyal to him and not Horus". How exactly are you defining it?
The lesson here, then is to be clearer in what you post - when you say "That's very different. Black Legion hunted down and killed all former Sons of Horus. Abaddon will NOT let that gak fly anywhere in his legion, it's like one of the founding principals lol." there is no context in there to say that you actually meant that he won't allow people to display Luna Wolves/Sons of Horus colours within the Black Legion.
What you said was that the Black Legion hunted down and killed all the Sons of Horus - yet, unfortunately, they failed to kill Abaddon.
Lol what the? Dude do you just follow me around this forum to take absurd stances against me? Everyone else got exactly what I was saying, and I clarified it multiple times already - all former Sons that weren't in Black Legion, Abaddon tried to kill. It's that simple.
P.S.A. I won't read your posts if you break it into a million separate quotes and make an eyesore of it.
Voltan wrote: I wonder if any other Sons Of Horus are left in the Black Legion apart from Abaddon?
I took this question to mean "is there any 'named' Sons of Horus' characters left in the Black Legion. And as HoundsofDemos said "no confirmed deaths" as of yet; though I'm under the impression any loyalist SoH are long dead having not lived in the Eye like their traitor brethren.
And in the CSM Codex (I think) isn't there a timeline passage about Abaddon going to meet a missing Sons of Horus ship that just reemerged from the warp.
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evil_kiwi_60 wrote: Hunting down and killing everyone must have a different definition for you.
You're absolutely right, because you're still somehow not getting this, so I agree, the only explanation here must be that you have a different definition of it to me to me. I define hunting down and killing every Sons of Horus that didn't join him, as "Horus killing all the Sons of Horus he could find that wouldn't join him so that his new Legion would be entirely loyal to him and not Horus". How exactly are you defining it?
evil_kiwi_60 wrote: I already agreed with you that a giant Luna Wolves banner would probably be a no go. But clearly some traditions did hold over from the original legion. It’s not like the black color scheme was chosen at random.
Some traditions of legions to join Black Legion were of course allowed to carry over, including aesthetic ones.
One of the things that was NOT allowed was Sons of Horus heraldy. It's literally part of the founding of the chapter, how are you not getting this lol?
Of course they wouldn't be flying Luna Wolves heraldry, don't act like that's some concession you gave me to any point I was trying to make - why on earth WOULD they be? The entire legion had stopped using Luna Wolves heraldy before they had even turned to Chaos, let alone by the time Sons of Horus were turned into Black Legion.
The wolf was meant more in reference to Horus Lupercal... but go off I guess. Replace wolf with the Eye of Horus if it helps. I wasn’t trying to give you some concession like this is some strange fluff negotiation. Just trying to find some common ground.
So we can agree that there are still members of the Sons of Horus in the black legion. We can agree that some traditions, including aesthetic ones carried over. Yes?
So it shouldn’t be too hard to to see a warband still using company markings and paint schemes back from the legion days, as long as it’s not the overt symbols of loyalty to Horus?
The wolf was meant more in reference to Horus Lupercal... but go off I guess. Replace wolf with the Eye of Horus if it helps. I wasn’t trying to give you some concession like this is some strange fluff negotiation. Just trying to find some common ground.
So we can agree that there are still members of the Sons of Horus in the black legion. We can agree that some traditions, including aesthetic ones carried over. Yes?
So it shouldn’t be too hard to to see a warband still using company markings and paint schemes back from the legion days, as long as it’s not the overt symbols of loyalty to Horus?
If you're just saying that maybe a few of them had Sons of Horus colored armor? It seemed very much like you were saying they can still fly Sons of Horus symbols (Heraldry). If that's not what you meant and you were just talking about color scheme, then eh, maybe? They are called Black Legion because the Sons of Horus scrubbed out the Green with Black. But either way it would look cool as hell on minis. Don't think it's what OP was asking at all though.
P.S.A. I won't read your posts if you break it into a million separate quotes and make an eyesore of it.
Remember, not everyone in the Black Legion is a veteran of the Heresy or a Renegade pledged in the ensuing 10,000 years. Some might be carrying geneseed harvested from veterans, or reincarnated, or any number of other weird ways in which the Black Legion tries to make good its casualties.
It's kind of funny in ADB's Black Legion book the protagonist goes from bemoaning the difficult state of their recruitment problem to casually murdering a squad to keep Abbadon's less-than-flawless victory over Sigismund a secret. I mean, the guy's incredibly cray-cray, but it's still funny.
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