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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/02/08/8th-feb-lvo-studio-preview-2019-revealed-new-chaos-space-marines-sisters-of-battle-and-moregw-homepage-post-1/

So a bunch of new Primaris, new Black Legion, Some sisters of Battle and Abaddon.

Interested in the Primaris. Love the look of the snipers.

The sisters model looks great, if the rest of the range looks that good there is no way i'll be able to resist. Everything else though..looks decent but doesn't get me too hyped. I was expecting them to finally unveil the next blood bowl team. It's been a bit since the undead came out and I had assumed this year we'd be getting one team per quarter at the very least.

So how will sniper rifles get primarisized? D2 perhaps?


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 Thargrim wrote:
The sisters model looks great, if the rest of the range looks that good there is no way i'll be able to resist. Everything else though..looks decent but doesn't get me too hyped. I was expecting them to finally unveil the next blood bowl team. It's been a bit since the undead came out and I had assumed this year we'd be getting one team per quarter at the very least.

I am so ridiculously hyped. I've wanted to replace my old metal abby and janky csm for so long. The oblits don't hurt either.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

I am so ridiculously hyped. I've wanted to replace my old metal abby and janky csm for so long. The oblits don't hurt either.

The funny thing is, I am not even sure the new Chaos Space Marines models will replace my old ones. At least not right away. I just have more Chosen now. Won't be an issue if Black Legion ever get the ability to use Chosen as troops too. I never bothered with the Obliterators before since their model wasn't good and they never did fit the theme I was going for. I kinda like the new models matching the aesthetics of hellbrutes. It unifies the faction's overall appearance a little more in my opinion which even though they are chaos felt a little lacking with the current model line up. I really like the teasers for the new Primaris Lieutenant. Games Workshop was absolutely correct, I have been waiting for him well before I even knew Primaris was a thing.

The Snipers will basically replace Scout Snipers is my guess. Now they're definitely good for nothing but being meatshields!
The different ammo thing is what I'm interested in, as that means that, if Deathwatch are allowed to take them, they'll fit right in thematically. Assuming they're not terrible, we might say goodbye forever to Stalker Bolter Vets moreso than ever after that Beta Bolter rule.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
The Snipers will basically replace Scout Snipers is my guess. Now they're definitely good for nothing but being meatshields!
The different ammo thing is what I'm interested in, as that means that, if Deathwatch are allowed to take them, they'll fit right in thematically. Assuming they're not terrible, we might say goodbye forever to Stalker Bolter Vets moreso than ever after that Beta Bolter rule.

They really have been kicking Stalker Bolter guys in the balls for awhile now. Were created as pseudo-snipers, forgot to make them able to snipe (eventually gave them a stratagem that should have been in the codex at the start, or just gave them the ability to snipe), made them way over priced for what they could do and made their gun border line worthless. Still got them and will use casually but GW really failed with them.

Absolutely great, really love everything they've shown us so far. I will be buying shadowspear and am hoping for a few more Primaris in the box, hopefully with heavy weapons.

Ooh, I like that Venomcrawler thing.

What exactly it does isn't terribly important as I've always found models I like the look of preform well enough for me regardless of stats/math.

Just what space marines needed, more medium infantry!

Vanguard space marines sound ljust like reavers. And the art has them with boltrifles and knives, so I’m really wondering what role they could be for.

Models look gorgeous though. That librarian will be perfect for kill team.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
The Snipers will basically replace Scout Snipers is my guess. Now they're definitely good for nothing but being meatshields!
The different ammo thing is what I'm interested in, as that means that, if Deathwatch are allowed to take them, they'll fit right in thematically. Assuming they're not terrible, we might say goodbye forever to Stalker Bolter Vets moreso than ever after that Beta Bolter rule.

I think eliminators, vanguard, & reivers are all the same unit. The only thing changing (as it looks right now) is how they work. I assume the 30k/40k/DI analogs are; recon/sniper scouts/eliminator, despoiler/bolt scouts/vanguard, ASM/Reivers. primaris get same statline and "reg"astartes same statline. It's more variation on unit a level (30k) rather than individual marine (40k). One of my concerns is what the "normal" squad size will be. You should be able to run a squad of 5 aggressors as standard, same with inceptors.


The models look great! With how the new chaos aesthetic, I cant wait for the III Legion to come out. Venomcrawler looks even better than the artwork. It'll be interesting to see what the rest of the year has to offer.

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Ok, so, that video at the end was an epic troll!

The Snipers look really interesting. Potentially sounds like they get some kind of ammo choice, or, it'll just mean they move to a -1ap d3 damage style.

The whole Vanguard aspect sounds really interesting. Sounds like they are everything Reivers want to be etc.

The Primaris Lieutenant jokes!


GW is killing it right now, fair play. Who knew hiring a couple people who know how to use facebook and have a sense of humour could create such goodwill!

I like that the Obliterators seem to be swollen Centurions now (check that foot).

Great bunch of characterful models, and it’s fun to see camo Space Marines back... the RT influence shining through again.

I think that the vanguard is basically a replacement of the 10th company scouts. Thinking the chapters will be getting a reorg now after this.

I love the new CSM sculpts but can't help but feel these new loyalist models just aren't needed. They already have a glut of model choices, do they really need half a box set more? If there are alternative poses and heads etc for existing lines fair enough, but introducing more units? Its all becoming a bit confusing for me.

Speaking of, any guesses on the names of the new primaries snipers? Defensors? Undressers? Make-a-messers?

I hope that do more boxed sets with new models like these, except they put other factions than Loyalists and CSM in there.

I'm disappointed in Abaddon getting a new sculpt before other, older models.

The "stealth" Librarian is in a really cool pose.

Yay more primaris -.- how about filling out xenos factions to full options to

Karfang wrote:
Yay more primaris -.- how about filling out xenos factions to full options to

Hmm what faction are you thinking?

And if you now say eldar corsairs.
Don't worry their Chaos and imperial FW counterparts also seemingly just died off.

While the new Obliterator model looks cool...it looks like a Dreadnought, not an Obliterator. It certainly doesn't look as "fleshmetal" as the current models. It looks like someone just scaled down the Helbrute model really.

The new basic CSM's look cool, but have the same problem the DV Chosen did. They're unnecessarily busy, there's a lot of detail that doesn't really accentuate anything, and it's going to add a lot more painting time and effort for bread and butter troops.

The "stealth" marines are not doing it for me, the 8ft tall walking tanks in brightly colored armor with backpacks the size of small motor vehicles trying to look sneaky just because they have light grey cloaks draped over their shoulders is not working (Scouts not being in full armor helps sell the look more). The guns on them bother me a lot too. The stocks are...too short to be useable, even the one dude looking like he's aiming with one is tucking the stock into his elbow it looks like, not his shoulder. Also...why do the suppressors have side ports the same way (noise-enhancing) muzzle brakes do? What effect is a suppressor going to have on a bolt projectile that's kicking a rocket engine into gear as soon as it leaves the barrel?

I dig the Master of Possession.

The Venomcrawler looks like something from Cryx out of Warmachine. Not that I hate that aesthetic, but it looks far more Privateer Press than GW.

The new Sister model I like.

 Dysartes wrote:
I'm disappointed in Abaddon getting a new sculpt before other, older models.

IIRC, the Abaddon model dates to dates back to the early 90's and 2E, I'm not sure how many older models are still in the range. He's by far the oldest CSM model currently produced as far as I'm aware.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
I love the new CSM sculpts but can't help but feel these new loyalist models just aren't needed. They already have a glut of model choices, do they really need half a box set more? If there are alternative poses and heads etc for existing lines fair enough, but introducing more units? Its all becoming a bit confusing for me.

Speaking of, any guesses on the names of the new primaries snipers? Defensors? Undressers? Make-a-messers?

I hope that do more boxed sets with new models like these, except they put other factions than Loyalists and CSM in there.

It’s in the article mate. They’re called Eliminators. Not a fan of the name to be honest. Feels like a massive to me.

Eliminators are dead-eye snipers. From concealed positions, these expert marksmen target and take out key enemy leaders, utilising a range of exotic and deadly ammunition tailored to their target. No heretic lord or xenos commander is safe.

As for the Librarian, I wonder if this is hinting at new psychic powers, as I’d be super surprised if it was just a special ability or stratagem.

Vanguard Space Marine Librarians sometimes lead these strike forces. They are masters of shrouding and stealth, allowing their battle-brothers to strike at enemy forces when they’re least expected…

 Vaktathi wrote:
While the new Obliterator model looks cool...it looks like a Dreadnought, not an Obliterator. It certainly doesn't look as "fleshmetal" as the current models. It looks like someone just scaled down the Helbrute model really.

The new basic CSM's look cool, but have the same problem the DV Chosen did. They're unnecessarily busy, there's a lot of detail that doesn't really accentuate anything, and it's going to add a lot more painting time and effort for bread and butter troops.

The "stealth" marines are not doing it for me, the 8ft tall walking tanks in brightly colored armor with backpacks the size of small motor vehicles trying to look sneaky just because they have light grey cloaks draped over their shoulders is not working (Scouts not being in full armor helps sell the look more). The guns on them bother me a lot too. The stocks are...too short to be useable, even the one dude looking like he's aiming with one is tucking the stock into his elbow it looks like, not his shoulder. Also...why do the suppressors have side ports the same way (noise-enhancing) muzzle brakes do? What effect is a suppressor going to have on a bolt projectile that's kicking a rocket engine into gear as soon as it leaves the barrel?

I dig the Master of Possession.

The Venomcrawler looks like something from Cryx out of Warmachine. Not that I hate that aesthetic, but it looks far more Privateer Press than GW.

The new Sister model I like.

 Dysartes wrote:
I'm disappointed in Abaddon getting a new sculpt before other, older models.

IIRC, the Abaddon model dates to dates back to the early 90's and 2E, I'm not sure how many older models are still in the range. He's by far the oldest CSM model currently produced as far as I'm aware.

Abbadon is old enough as a model to be on this forum and complain about the upstarts and drink hard spirits.....

That said, why does it always have to be Blackl legion if the non cult ones are involved?

Stoked to see what they finally do with Abaddon!

New Abaddon and Black Legion stuff isn't a major surprise. The models look OK, but I agree with the poster above who said they look very busy. The new Primaris really, really aren't working for me. Camo cloaks draped over bright blue armour just looks dumb and it looks like the Primaris range is being filled out in the same way the regular Marines were, with lots of units of dubious value on the battlefield, all adding bloat to the Codex without adding any value. It seems likely this is the next step on the road to a full Primaris Codex but if so it's a pretty uninspiring way to do it.

I wish GW would take a step back, look at the Space Marine range and maybe just leave it alone for at least a year or two. We've got Aspect Warrior sculpts that are old enough to drink, Necron Warriors that are so old they can remember the Necrontyr Empire and a general lack of plastic characters for quite a few armies that needs to be addressed before we get yet more Space Marines.

I doubt there will be a Primaris codex… Unless you mean in the sense that the standard marine will vanish.
I think part of it was discussed in the last GW podcast, whether I think it got mentioned that Primaris was their way forward, but they took a “soft approach” to their introduction.

As for the colour scheme, well, I guess they had no choice but to go for Ultramarines cos… GW… But, I think I’ll look fantastic on some of the other schemes.

I'll be buying at least one box, since I I live both the CSM and Primaris, maybe a second half of the CSM side.

Been using Oblits since 5th edition.

The Venomcrawler looks straight out of gears of war lol.

While I don't like the whole "sneaky sneaky marines" concept, I am loving that librarian sculpt.
May pick that up just to paint.

New obits are more than welcome, the old ones really show their age now.


Abby is interesting, to be fair, they can't make him any worse than he is now, so the only way is up.

The Obliterators do feel a bit like they were taken out of an Image comic, Spawn to be precise. Also, with so many new Primaris models I think it's just a question of when we get a Primaris Codex and/or the old marines get phased out.

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Karfang wrote:
Yay more primaris -.- how about filling out xenos factions to full options to

Hmm what faction are you thinking?

And if you now say eldar corsairs.
Don't worry their Chaos and imperial FW counterparts also seemingly just died off.

Mainly eldar and orks
Plastic aspect warriors/plastic kommandoes/tankbustas/some hq love for them both. All thses primaris releases are more of what they have but another version and marines have too much as it is. Is it too much to ask for more than a few months focused away from the derp fest of chaos vs imperial blasted everywhere(dont get me wrong chaos need some love but the loyalist side is all a money grab atm)

To be honest while this is great news for Chaos players and to a lesser extend, Space Marines players, this release doesn't really match my expectation based on the community teaser (something to be excited about no matter what you collect).

nice models. nothing for my army, but models do look nice. Specially the chaos ones. The primaris scouts look like upscaled scout snipers. Boggles my mind why Gw resets marines, and instead giving them new way to play, they just remake the old models at a different scale more or less. Now we just have to wait for primaris tanks and bikers and they are going to be clones of the old force.