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2019/02/11 15:00:54
Subject: Are Index units allowed to be used if the Codex has dropped and does not containt that unit?
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Shas'ui with Bonding Knife
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For me, specifically, I'm looking at Tyranid Shrikes. I've kitbashed them using Warrior bodies and Gargoyle wings. Would these Shrikes be allowed since they are an Index unit and not found in the Codex?
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SG
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40K - T'au Empire
Kill Team - T'au Empire, Death Guard
Warhammer Underworlds - Garrek’s Reavers
*** I only play for fun. I do not play competitively. *** |
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2019/02/11 15:17:59
Subject: Are Index units allowed to be used if the Codex has dropped and does not containt that unit?
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Yep. Check out the Designer's Commentary on the Warhammer Community site. It has a nice flow chart showing what can be used for the Index and what cannot. https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/warhammer_40000_designers_commentary_en-1.pdf Last page -
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2019/02/11 15:20:33
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2019/02/11 15:22:23
Subject: Are Index units allowed to be used if the Codex has dropped and does not containt that unit?
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Shas'ui with Bonding Knife
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Thank you! Excellent info!
SG
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40K - T'au Empire
Kill Team - T'au Empire, Death Guard
Warhammer Underworlds - Garrek’s Reavers
*** I only play for fun. I do not play competitively. *** |
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2019/02/11 18:51:48
Subject: Are Index units allowed to be used if the Codex has dropped and does not containt that unit?
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Prescient Cryptek of Eternity
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 ServiceGames wrote:For me, specifically, I'm looking at Tyranid Shrikes. I've kitbashed them using Warrior bodies and Gargoyle wings. Would these Shrikes be allowed since they are an Index unit and not found in the Codex?
Thanks
SG
As Galef said, the answer is yes. I do think it's worth mentioning that this yes will probably turn into a no at some point. Might not be until 9th edition, but I don't see the Index options sticking around forever. Great for running units you already have "for now", but I would caution against making any new models based on Index only options.
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2019/02/11 18:57:48
Subject: Are Index units allowed to be used if the Codex has dropped and does not containt that unit?
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Horrific Hive Tyrant
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 Kriswall wrote: ServiceGames wrote:For me, specifically, I'm looking at Tyranid Shrikes. I've kitbashed them using Warrior bodies and Gargoyle wings. Would these Shrikes be allowed since they are an Index unit and not found in the Codex?
Thanks
SG
As Galef said, the answer is yes. I do think it's worth mentioning that this yes will probably turn into a no at some point. Might not be until 9th edition, but I don't see the Index options sticking around forever. Great for running units you already have "for now", but I would caution against making any new models based on Index only options.
Seconded.
We really don't know what GW's long term plan is here, and that is precisely the problem!
Proceed at your own risk, basically.
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2019/02/11 19:16:53
Subject: Are Index units allowed to be used if the Codex has dropped and does not containt that unit?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Who cares about speculateing the future. The answer is its legal now.
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2019/02/11 19:27:28
Subject: Are Index units allowed to be used if the Codex has dropped and does not containt that unit?
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Prescient Cryptek of Eternity
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U02dah4 wrote:Who cares about speculateing the future. The answer is its legal now.
Well, anyone who doesn't want to spend a lot of time and money converting a model that they may not be able to use in standard games of 40k might care. If you don't, great. The comment was targeted towards people who might care. Now that all of the armies have Codexes, I'll be surprised in the Indexes continue to be printed.
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2019/02/11 19:38:37
Subject: Are Index units allowed to be used if the Codex has dropped and does not containt that unit?
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Horrific Hive Tyrant
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U02dah4 wrote:Who cares about speculateing the future. The answer is its legal now.
Shall we maybe let the OP decide whether they care? We're just trying to give some context before they go ahead and spend potentially significant time and money on it.
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2019/02/11 19:43:11
Subject: Are Index units allowed to be used if the Codex has dropped and does not containt that unit?
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Lieutenant General
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents
cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty
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2019/02/11 20:06:02
Subject: Are Index units allowed to be used if the Codex has dropped and does not containt that unit?
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Norn Queen
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My two cents: Basic Pattern Recognition indicates that the Indexes will, after perhaps the Ynnari Codex is released, be relegated to non-matched play only, at least officially.
To chime in on the topic at hand, keep in mind the designers commentary only applies to Wargear Options UND NOZING ELSE. Any changes to profiles, powers, special rules ect cannot be taken from the Index. This also means a few oddball units whos default wargear changed between index and codex can have index options that cannot be fufilled (e.g. the Sweaty Sex-Goblin Haemonculus).
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2019/02/11 20:59:09
Subject: Are Index units allowed to be used if the Codex has dropped and does not containt that unit?
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Prescient Cryptek of Eternity
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I didn't mean today. I meant at some point in the not too distant future. Thought that was pretty obvious, but I guess not.
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2019/02/11 21:03:14
Subject: Are Index units allowed to be used if the Codex has dropped and does not containt that unit?
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Lieutenant General
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Kriswall wrote:
I didn't mean today. I meant at some point in the not too distant future. Thought that was pretty obvious, but I guess not.
You did notice that the only Index available in any of those links is Imperium 2 and most likely only because of the Inquisition, Assassins and Sisters of Silence. All of the other Indices are nowhere to be found on GW's online store.
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents
cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty
Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim |
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2019/02/11 21:06:36
Subject: Are Index units allowed to be used if the Codex has dropped and does not containt that unit?
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Prescient Cryptek of Eternity
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 Ghaz wrote: Kriswall wrote:
I didn't mean today. I meant at some point in the not too distant future. Thought that was pretty obvious, but I guess not.
You did notice that the only Index available in any of those links is Imperium 2 and most likely only because of the Inquisition, Assassins and Sisters of Silence. All of the other Indices are nowhere to be found on GW's online store.
Apologies. I thought you were being sarcastic and pointing out that they're still available. I didn't realize that they'd already been removed and are currently out of print. In that case, they should absolutely no longer be allowed for Matched Play. It's a really bad situation to give some players access to rules that other players will never have (without stealing a PDF copy or assuming a tool like BS is correct).
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2019/02/11 21:11:31
Subject: Are Index units allowed to be used if the Codex has dropped and does not containt that unit?
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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So beside Ynnari and Assassins (that are getting rules soon), what's left to update? Inquisition? Seems like everything else has a Codex or section in CA. And as Ghaz showed, it looks like GW has indeed pulled the plug on all but Imperium Index 2. So once Assassins/Inquisition get update, no more Indexes. Kriswall wrote:It's a really bad situation to give some players access to rules that other players will never have (without stealing a PDF copy or assuming a tool like BS is correct).
While I certainly agree with your sentiment, I wholeheatedly feel like this is an irrelevant argument. Hear me out on this: There is absolutely no way any one player will have access to every 40K rule. There are just too many sources (which is a problem). So while it would suck to have to go extra lengths to get the rules for Twin-Autocannon Dreads, Bike Librarians, or the vast majority of Autarch wargear, is it really all that different than playing against an army in which you've never owned/reviewed the Codex? Not having all the rules is just part of 40K now. If you want the rules for something, they are out there. What isn't fair is having your options removed because GW couldn't be asked to equip their plastic kits with all the options a unit can have. -
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2019/02/11 21:11:37
Subject: Re:Are Index units allowed to be used if the Codex has dropped and does not containt that unit?
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Lieutenant General
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I was being a bit sarcastic just not for the reason you thought 
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents
cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty
Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim |
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