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Gw has admitted they have no plans of making primaris grey knights currently. We all know GW is trying to shift toward only primaris marines for loyalists. Grey knights have some of the worst rules, and have consistantly been nerfed, and are the worst army in the game right now sans stuff like sisters of silence which are not full armies.

I've seen tau go from trash to healthy over this edition, but grey knights only get ground down to dust and made worse with only a single half measure taken to keep them ok. I wouldn't be surprised if the plan is to kill their player base before squatting them at this point.

With all the current push on chaos I wouldn't be hugely surprised to see the GK get some love as an anti-chaos (alright, daemons) force.

Maybe they'll be the ones to come swooping in and stop the Imperium from loosing Vigilus.

Or maybe that privilege will go to the SoB instead.

In short?

No.

In long?

No.

 inflatablefriend wrote:
With all the current push on chaos I wouldn't be hugely surprised to see the GK get some love as an anti-chaos (alright, daemons) force.

Maybe they'll be the ones to come swooping in and stop the Imperium from loosing Vigilus.

Or maybe that privilege will go to the SoB instead.

Grey knights are still on a penient lore crusade because Matt ward ruined their lore that one time three editions ago and nobody has let that go, so yeah, it'll be sisters who do it.

Ultimately, yes.

Inquisition have been essentially squatted for some time. You're seeing what happened to them, happen to Grey Knights.

They have essentially been "soft squatted" by getting such horrible rules. Although it boggles the mind that 3 units of those long range autocannon primaris are nearly the same cost as a freaking Baneblade / Shadowsword.

It just doesn't make sense how they cost these things for marines.

I think GW is being willingly ignorant of them, but I don’t think they’re being squatted.

They need to have an advocate for each army that has the design team’s ear. It’d be nice if they had a full-blown single designer whose responsible for each army they maintain (whose passionate about that army), but that’s probably too much to ask.

But they should have someone who has that army in mind, and with the FAQs and whatnot, it’s clear they don’t.

In GW's history, many.....many armies have been neglected for years before finally getting an update.

I think Dark Eldar and Necrons went through 3 editions before being updated.

To be honest, I'm not sure why they ever moved them from Lore to playable. The Lore and concept directly clashes with playability/balance on the table.......just like Custodes and parts of Inquisition.

Armies who are OP pimps in the lore will never play well on the table.

Why is it anytime anything is the least bit underpowered people suspect that it's going to be squatted? I mean seriously this is hysterics at its finest.

 Jaxler wrote:

 inflatablefriend wrote:
With all the current push on chaos I wouldn't be hugely surprised to see the GK get some love as an anti-chaos (alright, daemons) force.

Maybe they'll be the ones to come swooping in and stop the Imperium from loosing Vigilus.

Or maybe that privilege will go to the SoB instead.

Grey knights are still on a penient lore crusade because Matt ward ruined their lore that one time three editions ago and nobody has let that go, so yeah, it'll be sisters who do it.

Was just about to post the same comment. Think of it as penance for the atrocity that was paladin spam in 5th Ed.

They won't be going anywhere any time soon. Once the Primaris range is fully released over the next few years, I'd be very surprised if they passed up the opportunity to start releasing specialist primaris units such as BA, DA, GK etc.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Why is it anytime anything is the least bit underpowered people suspect that it's going to be squatted? I mean seriously this is hysterics at its finest.

To be fair, I think it's more the comments around Primaris (and the similarity in role to other Imperium armies such as Custodes) that bring the question up. I personally don't know myself. I haven't heard anything about Games Workshop having plans to remove Grey Knights. I do know they want to reduce the number of full fledged factions by the end of 2019, but nothing on Grey Knights.

GW has stated that they plan to update them some day, but there are no plans in place. That means next edition?

Right now, GK is a fluff army. They really suck in play, but they have awesome lore that pretty much grants them immunity to being written off. If you read back through their codex's, it's pretty heavily hinted that GK possess the item to "Save the imperium" and "They will use it when the time is right". They have also written that this item is of the same make as the Golden Throne. So basically, they contain the tech to release the STar Child, and basically Reset the entire universe in it's darkest hour.

TL;DR - They are a massive walking RESET button for the galaxy, that GW allows to exist because someday they will need to pull a WoW and take everything back to Ol' Days, and completely reset everything. On that day the Silver Mary-Sues will be called.

 NurglesR0T wrote:

 Jaxler wrote:

 inflatablefriend wrote:
With all the current push on chaos I wouldn't be hugely surprised to see the GK get some love as an anti-chaos (alright, daemons) force.

Maybe they'll be the ones to come swooping in and stop the Imperium from loosing Vigilus.

Or maybe that privilege will go to the SoB instead.

Grey knights are still on a penient lore crusade because Matt ward ruined their lore that one time three editions ago and nobody has let that go, so yeah, it'll be sisters who do it.

Was just about to post the same comment. Think of it as penance for the atrocity that was paladin spam in 5th Ed.

They won't be going anywhere any time soon. Once the Primaris range is fully released over the next few years, I'd be very surprised if they passed up the opportunity to start releasing specialist primaris units such as BA, DA, GK etc.

Meanwhile tau are fine for riptide spam, and eldar are fine after wraithknight spam. One broken unit 3 additions ago has nothing to do with this unless GW thinks most players still remember/care even though that's not the case with other factions.

Tau aren't near unplayable because fish of fury.

I think squatted is a bold thing to say for an army largely in plastic. If ANY army is in the threat of getting squatted, its inquisition. THey've outright said they arent getting a codex, nor Killteam support. I dont see a reason GW would keep them in production at this rate.

With all those existing molds? They won't get squatted.

They could, in theory, get updated, depending on their popularity and if it's worth it for GW to do. But I can't really see them getting squatted, just left to be ancient kits.

 vaklor4 wrote:
I think squatted is a bold thing to say for an army largely in plastic. If ANY army is in the threat of getting squatted, its inquisition. THey've outright said they arent getting a codex, nor Killteam support. I dont see a reason GW would keep them in production at this rate.

Do you have a source on this? Cause if so this makes me very sad, Inquisition is core feature of the setting and a large source of some of the best novels and background. For GW to just trash that on the table top is infuriating.

After Marines and Chaos I think Necrons should take priority over GK. The meta doesnt need another strong option just yet.


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Inquisition should get a WD mini-index update

Grey Knights won't get squatted as they are still quite popular and history shows they have a really solid appeal.

Likely GW will just shelve them for updates for a long time then when they have tapped the Space Marine well dry again, they'll shift back to Grey Knights and probably Custodes again.

Same scenario as Ad Mech

 Jaxler wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if the plan is to kill their player base before squatting them at this point.

GW have shown they are willing to let factions with for a long time without actually killing them off entirely.

GK themselves ran for 8 years with daemonhunters, a codex so minimal its entire fast attack section was 'put your troops here if they deepstrike'. Or the sisters that weren't squatted despite at one point going two whole years in 5th/6th as a few dozen pewter models from the 90s and an ebay-only white dwarf article.

 Da-Rock wrote:


Armies who are OP pimps in the lore will never play well on the table.

Eldar are OP in fluff and rules though. From what people say, this happens every edition.


This maybe an odd question, but when it was 6th or 7th ed, what did GW say about GK then?

HoundsofDemos wrote:

 vaklor4 wrote:
I think squatted is a bold thing to say for an army largely in plastic. If ANY army is in the threat of getting squatted, its inquisition. THey've outright said they arent getting a codex, nor Killteam support. I dont see a reason GW would keep them in production at this rate.

Do you have a source on this? Cause if so this makes me very sad, Inquisition is core feature of the setting and a large source of some of the best novels and background. For GW to just trash that on the table top is infuriating.

They've never really had a properly coherent force on the tabletop. Even back with the Daemon Hunters and Witch Hunters Codices the inquisition part of it amounted to some storm troopers, some character options and a bunch of henchmen backed up by either Grey Knights or SoB. Inquisition are the perfect example of the kind of things I don't think GW should be bringing to the tabletop. We don't need every last little bit of background to have a model and rules and Inquisitors operate more like a cross between Interpol and MI6 so it's always seemed odd to me that they'd have any significant amount of rules for mass battle games. That's the explicit purpose of GK and SoB. I remember when if you wanted to play an Inquisition force or AdMech you converted some IG and used their rules.

As for GK getting squatted, it seems unlikely in the short term, though they do have a bit of a problem being so specialised. I don't think GW pay much attention to the power level of their armies when it comes to updating them and we saw in CA18 that even after acknowledging their position at the bottom of the pile they were pretty clueless as to how to fix it. We'll probably know more in the next 6-9 months when we see what GW does now that all the Codices bar SoB (and possibly Ynarri) are out. If they start going back over the Codices again then GK may be in line for a revamp soonish.

Did DE or SoB get squatted?

Darsath wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Why is it anytime anything is the least bit underpowered people suspect that it's going to be squatted? I mean seriously this is hysterics at its finest.

To be fair, I think it's more the comments around Primaris (and the similarity in role to other Imperium armies such as Custodes) that bring the question up. I personally don't know myself. I haven't heard anything about Games Workshop having plans to remove Grey Knights. I do know they want to reduce the number of full fledged factions by the end of 2019, but nothing on Grey Knights.

whats your source on this? because this seems doubtful to say the least given how 40k has EXPLODED in terms of faction numbers over the past few years.

 Da-Rock wrote:
In GW's history, many.....many armies have been neglected for years before finally getting an update.

I think Dark Eldar and Necrons went through 3 editions before being updated.

To be honest, I'm not sure why they ever moved them from Lore to playable. The Lore and concept directly clashes with playability/balance on the table.......just like Custodes and parts of Inquisition.

Armies who are OP pimps in the lore will never play well on the table.

They were a complete army when they were introduced - Tactical, Assault and Devastator squads, and the full range of Space Marine officers, with terminator squads added later. It was 2nd edition that dropped them down to being a single Terminator unit to be allied to other Imperial armies. However, they should have stayed, IMO, as a narrative thing to be used against Chaos armies, rather than a generalist army.

Grey knights will be updated the same way all other armies will be updated once they have their dex:

A new character- or if you're lucky, even two- will be released in a kill team box with a smattering of existing models of various troop types, complete with 40k rules. They will be HQ's or character elites who synergize with an existing unit.

When the Inquisition return to the game, there will be Ordo Malleus operatives whose fluff and models fit so smoothly into a GK army that you'll feel like you're still playing monofaction. These models will also confer additional synergies to existing GK.

I forsee a Kill team for each Ordo with 40k rules in the box, plus a dex that mostly combines the kill team rules, but also rounds it out with transports and fluff.

The other likely scenario is all three Ordos in a box against an opposition force- kinda like the Rogue Trader box.

Sisters will NOT take over any responsibilities from GK. Their role as the Chamber Militant of the Hereticus has been minimized in this edition, and their role as the military arm of the Ecclesiarchy has been reestablished.

We hunt cultists, not Daemons.

Deathwing or Ravenwing have no primaris either. Gk will not be squatted.

 Draco wrote:
Deathwing or Ravenwing have no primaris either. Gk will not be squatted.

but aren't they just units in a DA army, and DA have access to all primaris. People asked about primaris in GK and the anwser seems to be no everytime. I don't know about FW much, but from what I heard GK can't take the FW marines units either and all other marines can use them.

Grey knights will be updated the same way all other armies will be updated once they have their dex:

But they alreayd have a codex. All codex seem to be build on what the codex before it had, and the GK ones only difference is that they have fewer and fewer options for units and gear in every new one.

Did DE or SoB get squatted?

No, but were there armies in Fantasy that were removed from the game ? Plus with the rules they have right now GK may as well no exist. They are both unplayable, and have zero influence on the meta. Not even demon players think about what is going to happen, if they face a GK player.

Karol wrote:

 Draco wrote:
Deathwing or Ravenwing have no primaris either. Gk will not be squatted.

but aren't they just units in a DA army, and DA have access to all primaris. People asked about primaris in GK and the anwser seems to be no everytime. I don't know about FW much, but from what I heard GK can't take the FW marines units either and all other marines can use them.

Grey knights will be updated the same way all other armies will be updated once they have their dex:

But they alreayd have a codex. All codex seem to be build on what the codex before it had, and the GK ones only difference is that they have fewer and fewer options for units and gear in every new one.

Did DE or SoB get squatted?

No, but were there armies in Fantasy that were removed from the game ? Plus with the rules they have right now GK may as well no exist. They are both unplayable, and have zero influence on the meta. Not even demon players think about what is going to happen, if they face a GK player.

Well demons do hard counter us. "We killed your demon prince? Well I guess we get to enjoy fighting another one!"

No. Next question.