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I'm on the verge of pulling the trigger for a bunch of the new Chaos space marine stuff to make up some EC. I have the codex and shadowspear stuff so far however, I'm a bit hesitant in the hopes that Emperors Children will soon see a thousand sons/death guard type of codex in the near future. Especially with all the recent Slaneesh updates.

Maybe its just me but it seems like there is a lack of EC information in the new CSM codex, besides a few pages of lore they have very little in references to anything much, even paint schemes in the book.

Anyway would I be a fool to continue to wait in hope of a dedicated codex before the year is up?

I've been waiting for over two years now, so...

I think it is pretty likely there will be an EC codex, I just have zero idea when.

There's a Slaanesh release coming for AoS soon, perhaps something will piggyback off that?

Normally I'd tell you you're proably safe buying basic troop choices and the like, but the noise marines are so.. dated it's a metal upgrade kit. I'd wait a few months and cross your fingers for plastic noise marines

How would you feel if you bought the Space Marine codex only for an Emperor's Children codex to come out next month?
How would you feel if you bought the Space Marine codex only for an Emperor's Children codex to come out next year?
How would you feel about waiting for two or three years, and playing with something else entirely?

If you're itching to start a CSM-project, I say do it. Play and have fun. When/IF EC get their own codex, just adapt and move on from there.

If you're not that into the current EC-rules, you can always use them as Flawless Host-renegades. They got some solid toys in VA.

As for EC getting a dedicated codex before the year is up? I think they will, but I wouldn't bet on it.

I don't THIIIINK an emperor's children codex is IMMINANT, but we do seem to lack any real images of noise marines, I think at the very least we're gonna get new noise marines pretty soon

The Noise Marine Sonic Weapons are 'Finecast' resin, FYI.

I never noticed this until today, but the Noise Marines Upgrade Pack doesn't specify what it's made of.

It's metal then, eh?

 Excommunicatus wrote:
The Noise Marine Sonic Weapons are 'Finecast' resin, FYI.

I never noticed this until today, but the Noise Marines Upgrade Pack doesn't specify what it's made of.

It's metal then, eh?

we really need plastic noise marines. I wanna hope against hope GW finally gives us them but the fact that they did a major Chaos release just now without them makes me a little leery.

I agree they're badly needed, I don't really agree that their lack of presence in the new release means much of anything.

I reckon we'll get them when the EC codex drops. Which will hopefully be soon.

 Excommunicatus wrote:
I agree they're badly needed, I don't really agree that their lack of presence in the new release means much of anything.

I reckon we'll get them when the EC codex drops. Which will hopefully be soon.

hard to say, death guard where notably not included in the 8th edition CSM 'dex so.. hard to say,

There won't be an Emperor's Children anytime soon... EC are the new Sisters of Battle, everytime someone asks for an EC codex they reset the clock.

GW said the Noise Marine upgrade pack was compatible with the new CSM. That's all you'll get for 2019.

 Excommunicatus wrote:
The Noise Marine Sonic Weapons are 'Finecast' resin, FYI.

I never noticed this until today, but the Noise Marines Upgrade Pack doesn't specify what it's made of.

It's metal then, eh?

Both Noise Marine sets are Finecast. Picked some up last week.

I've been debating this as well, but I bit the bullet on Blackstone Fortress so I can still get a hit of some Chaos, and if I make the renegade guardsmen a Slaaneshi cult, it lets me play with some themes and ideas I have.

I steered away from the new Chaos because I don't ever plan on buying more finecast just to make my guys noise marines.

So there's this new skin cloak teaser thing on Warhammer Community.
Possibly Fabius Bile?
These teasers are normally a few months ahead so maybe something from June onwards?

Probably from Warcry in AoS.

I don't think we'll see EC this year. Maybe next if we're lucky.

Do we know that Emperor's Children will come before World Eaters? What ever happened to the old rumor reliables like Sad Panda? We could use their input.

I don't think anyone is even sure there will be EC or WE books, let alone which will appear first.

I do have the same "problems" I woudl love to start an EC army, does anyone know about female minis to proxy some cultists?

 Ginjitzu wrote:
Do we know that Emperor's Children will come before World Eaters?.

We could get them at roughly the same time as a sort of 40k version and expansion to Wrath and Rapture.

Neither faction would need many kits at this stage just a couple of characters and a troops box or two.

Same boat myself. Decided to wait for release, would suck to buy and build a bunch of stuff just to see it become unplayable. I already have an army so no rush, I been putting money away each week and when it drops I’ll go big.

If you do want to start now though, surefire units are Daemon Prince of Slaanesh, Noise Marines, Rhinos, and most likely both Eidolon, Lucius and Sonic Dreads will get models in the new dex incase you wanted to convert your own ahead of schedule.

I think you could probably go for designing HQ units. For the Noise stuff though, it is tough to say when they'll get a new release.

 Ginjitzu wrote:
Do we know that Emperor's Children will come before World Eaters?.

 Alex Kolodotschko wrote:
We could get them at roughly the same time as a sort of 40k version and expansion to Wrath and Rapture.

That would be spectacular.

 Alex Kolodotschko wrote:
Neither faction would need many kits at this stage just a couple of characters and a troops box or two.

I disagree. I think they need the full Deathguard/Thousand Sons treatment: Berzerkers, Noise Marines, Characters, faction specific gribblies, faction specific terminators, etc.

I could tell you, 'Oh, wait, they'll be right around the corner!' and then the Codex won't come out for 2 years.

I could tell you, 'Nah, they won't come out for a long time...' and then the Codex will drop this Summer.

Do what you want. If you have other stuff on your 'to do' list, go do that first. If you want to get some things for Chaos Marines, do it and consider them as things you could ally with your Emperor's Children in the future.

I personally am not buying a single Noise Marine upgrade kit until they get a plastic kit. I've been waiting 12 years for them to get plastics. I'll wait longer if I have to.

 Ginjitzu wrote:
Do we know that Emperor's Children will come before World Eaters? What ever happened to the old rumor reliables like Sad Panda? We could use their input.

GW's advertising stragety changed. I've always been of the opinion that those leaks where all part of a gurellia advertising campaign to generate hype in advance of offical releases. the fact that the minute GW starts doing stuff like the warhammer community page etc that offically pushes this stuff up, and the leaks largely dry up has only reinforced this opinion of mine. Many of the more reliable leakers I suspect eaither worked for GW, or their source was working and deliberatly leaking bits knowing full well it would get out

BrianDavion wrote:

 Ginjitzu wrote:
Do we know that Emperor's Children will come before World Eaters? What ever happened to the old rumor reliables like Sad Panda? We could use their input.

GW's advertising stragety changed. I've always been of the opinion that those leaks where all part of a gurellia advertising campaign to generate hype in advance of offical releases. the fact that the minute GW starts doing stuff like the warhammer community page etc that offically pushes this stuff up, and the leaks largely dry up has only reinforced this opinion of mine. Many of the more reliable leakers I suspect eaither worked for GW, or their source was working and deliberatly leaking bits knowing full well it would get out

This may or may not be true, I'd like to point out that GW's schedule definitely changes. GSC dex was finished before the Ork dex was, for example.

CSM have just had a major release.

I think its very unlikely EC or WE get a release this year.

I find these conversations bizarre sometimes. Why do you EC/WE players think their faction HAS to have it's own codex with specific units?

Should I just expect a 'Kult of Speed' or Evil Sunz codex for my Orks with similar specific units? Should Eldar players expect a craftworld specific codex? Other factions too?

SM has a ton of bloat codexes from doing this very thing and I thought people hated it?

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
CSM have just had a major release.

I think its very unlikely EC or WE get a release this year.

I find these conversations bizarre sometimes. Why do you EC/WE players think their faction HAS to have it's own codex with specific units?

Should I just expect a 'Kult of Speed' or Evil Sunz codex for my Orks with similar specific units? Should Eldar players expect a craftworld specific codex? Other factions too?

SM has a ton of bloat codexes from doing this very thing and I thought people hated it?

I don't think anyone thinks they have to. I just think it's incredibly likely given:



- Multiple accounts of people saying Games Workshop employees advised them not to buy into old EC models right now.

- The regimental standard for Abaddon basically having the last 1/3rd oddly talk about Emperor's Children https://regimental-standard.com/2019/03/06/great-failures-of-the-despoiler/ Feels like foreshadowing

- Every traitor founding legion being shown in color scheme on the new CSM except for EC and WE, suggestion of new models

- Some of the most outdated models in the game, and GW is focusing on fixing that and seems to want to clean up the Chaos range this year

- Slaanesh release returning to AoS shows GW definitely wants to do something with the factions in general (many expressed that this was in doubt)

- Noise Marine sculpt being released last year, as well as being the most popular model of the entire year

- Two other godsworn CSM factions getting solo dexes

- Fulgrim being spotted in the lore

- The ONLY two Codex chapters missing from the new Codex transfer sheet, being EC and World Eaters

- Most recent rumor engine almost definitely being Fabius




Nothing's a given, GW doesn't have to do it, and it may never come.... but with GW saying they are going to iron out the rules of sub-factions and expand the universe further in that manner once they finish the main dexes (and with SoB inbound I believe we are there, unless you include the discontinued RnH line), I think if I had to bet on the next 40k releases, EC and WE are a strong guess. At the very least, there is probably new models inbound for existing units, and whether or not a dex comes with this is to be seen (I suspect it will), but it's still probably worth waiting for if you want to build the best looking, lore-accurate EC army.

EC are coming, that's for sure.

But there is no shred of clue as to WHEN.
Could be two years from now, could be the very next release after the slaanesh daemons.

What you CAN do, if you want to start an EC army-is start with the "safe" options, by looking at DG/TS to see the common themes.

You can assume the vehicles will stay, probably the daemon engines too.
Princes will stay, though you may want some of the fancy new AOS daemons for that.
Lords/sorcerers/etc are probably safe.
Noise boys are staying, but probably with new models. you can just the current upgrade kit ones, you can wait, or you can get FW Kakophoni (expensive, but looks good.) actually, getting HH era armor (cheap from ebay thanks to BaC and BoP) and then some "sonic weapons" is a good path to make your own noise boys, I did a similar thing for my rubrics.

 SHUPPET wrote:

I don't think anyone thinks they have to. I just think it's incredibly likely given:

I disagree. I think there is very much an expectation and this expectation has been there since the release of the DG codex.

- Multiple accounts of people saying Games Workshop employees advised them not to buy into old EC models right now.

- The regimental standard for Abaddon basically having the last 1/3rd oddly talk about Emperor's Children https://regimental-standard.com/2019/03/06/great-failures-of-the-despoiler/ Feels like foreshadowing

- Every traitor founding legion being shown in color scheme on the new CSM except for EC and WE, suggestion of new models

- Some of the most outdated models in the game, and GW is focusing on fixing that and seems to want to clean up the Chaos range this year

- Slaanesh release returning to AoS shows GW definitely wants to do something with the factions in general (many expressed that this was in doubt)

I think this is all reaching, personally. GW employees have no idea what's going on and if they miraculously do they certainly don't share it. Regimental standards are fluff pieces. Contrary to your colour scheme suggestion I remember GW doing an article on how to convert the new models into Noise Marines or Zerkers. The current models are also in Vigilus ablaze.

To me they would do all the chaos releases st one time then take a break and release other things. I'm surprised Slaanesh are the focus for the next fee months because 'Chaos' as a super faction has just had a huge release.

- Noise Marine sculpt being released last year, as well as being the most popular model of the entire year

What's your source on that?

- Two other godsworn CSM factions getting solo dexes

- Fulgrim being spotted in the lore

- The ONLY two Codex chapters missing from the new Codex transfer sheet, being EC and World Eaters

- Most recent rumor engine almost definitely being Fabius

Fulgrim has been spotted before.
Transfer sheets are interesting.
The new rumour engine could be a whole host of models, including AOS stuff.

Nothing's a given, GW doesn't have to do it, and it may never come.... but with GW saying they are going to iron out the rules of sub-factions and expand the universe further in that manner once they finish the main dexes (and with SoB inbound I believe we are there, unless you include the discontinued RnH line), I think if I had to bet on the next 40k releases, EC and WE are a strong guess. At the very least, there is probably new models inbound for existing units, and whether or not a dex comes with this is to be seen (I suspect it will), but it's still probably worth waiting for if you want to build the best looking, lore-accurate EC army.

I agree on the last bit but I'm just trying to help people manage their expectations here. EC probably won't get a release this year. I don't know this, its pure guesswork, but I would put money on it because GW generally focus on one subfaction within a faction then move on to other things. I could see EC getting something early next year or even at the end of this one. It will be either EC or WE too, I don't think there's any chance they release both at the same time and the other will have to wait another chaos release cycle before they get their dex.

If you want to play games now, then waiting is obviously a poor choice.

Personally I'd just collect an army now, and then if a dedicated Emperor's Children range comes out, add to it and amend it.