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2019/04/04 23:55:37
Subject: Daemonic Summoning for the imperium
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Enginseer with a Wrench
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With Vigulus Ablaze you can take Chaos Sorcerors into a fallen detachment and they gain the imperium keyword. They never lose chaos one.....so can we once again as the imperium summon daemons from the warp?
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2019/04/05 00:02:19
Subject: Daemonic Summoning for the imperium
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Captain of the Forlorn Hope
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If you are using the Battle Brothers rule
You can use Chaos Sorcerors, but will not be able to include them in the same Detachment in your Battle-forged army as guard or marines etc.
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2019/04/05 00:16:59
Subject: Daemonic Summoning for the imperium
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Lieutenant General
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 DeathReaper wrote:If you are using the Battle Brothers rule
You can use Chaos Sorcerors, but will not be able to include them in the same Detachment in your Battle-forged army as guard or marines etc.
From page 186 of Vigilus Ablaze:
Use this Stratagem when choosing your army. You can include Sorcerers and Chaos Rhinos in a Vanguard Detachment that includes only FALLEN units. If you do so, they replace their <MARK OF CHAOS>, HERETIC ASTARTES and <LEGION> keywords with the IMPERIUM and FALLEN keywords.
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2019/04/05 02:28:27
Subject: Daemonic Summoning for the imperium
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Captain of the Forlorn Hope
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 Ghaz wrote: DeathReaper wrote:If you are using the Battle Brothers rule
You can use Chaos Sorcerors, but will not be able to include them in the same Detachment in your Battle-forged army as guard or marines etc.
From page 186 of Vigilus Ablaze:
Use this Stratagem when choosing your army. You can include Sorcerers and Chaos Rhinos in a Vanguard Detachment that includes only FALLEN units. If you do so, they replace their <MARK OF CHAOS>, HERETIC ASTARTES and <LEGION> keywords with the IMPERIUM and FALLEN keywords.
Why did you quote me?
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"Did you notice a sign out in front of my chapel that said "Land Raider Storage"?" -High Chaplain Astorath the Grim Redeemer of the Lost.
I sold my soul to the devil and now the bastard is demanding a refund!
We do not have an attorney-client relationship. I am not your lawyer. The statements I make do not constitute legal advice. Any statements made by me are based upon the limited facts you have presented, and under the premise that you will consult with a local attorney. This is not an attempt to solicit business. This disclaimer is in addition to any disclaimers that this website has made.
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2019/04/05 03:21:22
Subject: Daemonic Summoning for the imperium
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Enigmatic Chaos Sorcerer
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DeathReaper wrote:If you are using the Battle Brothers rule
You can use Chaos Sorcerors, but will not be able to include them in the same Detachment in your Battle-forged army as guard or marines etc.
But you can run your Guard and Custodes detachments alongside your Daemon summoning Fallen Detachment.
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2019/04/05 10:02:30
Subject: Daemonic Summoning for the imperium
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Norn Queen
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While you can't add them to a detachment since they lack any secondary Faction Keyword that isn't Fallen (i.e. HERETIC ASTARTES or ADEPTUS ASTARTES), you could include a detachment of FALLEN alongside another Imperial Detachment, since you can use IMPERIUM to bind a whole army, but not a detachment.
So yes, you could theoretically have a detachment of FALLEN summoning up some Daemons while Custard Creams and YOUR SPIRITUAL LIEGE flank the enemy.
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2019/04/05 11:36:04
Subject: Daemonic Summoning for the imperium
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Dakka Veteran
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I thought that you could only summon daemons that matched your <MARK OF CHAOS> but I just checked the rule and it seems that models with no mark can summon whatever they want. I think this is legit.
Dark Angels and daemon summoning Fallen, together at last!
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2019/04/05 11:37:23
Subject: Daemonic Summoning for the imperium
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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 Bilge Rat wrote:I thought that you could only summon daemons that matched your <MARK OF CHAOS> but I just checked the rule and it seems that models with no mark can summon whatever they want. I think this is legit.
Indeed, Now imperium can summon daemons and Vindicares: 
Actually that would make for an extremely flexible list come to think of it.
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https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page
A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH. |
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2019/04/05 12:36:17
Subject: Daemonic Summoning for the imperium
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Painlord Titan Princeps of Slaanesh
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The flexibility of Daemonic Ritual is vastly overstated, IMO.
It's a decent perk if you already have ca. 4k worth of Daemons and you're happy to carry them with you all the time.
It's not worth building to, IMO, without even getting into the idea that <IMPERIUM> summoning will likely be Squatted.
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2019/04/05 12:44:06
Subject: Daemonic Summoning for the imperium
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Never Forget Isstvan!
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Just the idea of a Culexus assassin running down the table besides a Herald of tzeentch should send shivers down your spine.
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2019/04/05 13:13:06
Subject: Daemonic Summoning for the imperium
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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 Excommunicatus wrote:The flexibility of Daemonic Ritual is vastly overstated, IMO.
It's a decent perk if you already have ca. 4k worth of Daemons and you're happy to carry them with you all the time.
It's not worth building to, IMO, without even getting into the idea that <IMPERIUM> summoning will likely be Squatted.
Frankly we saw somewhere recently someone pull that off.
Not saying it is a good thing but it brought him into the top 8 i belive.
That said, you require indeed a large daemonforce.
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https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page
A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH. |
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2019/04/05 13:17:19
Subject: Daemonic Summoning for the imperium
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Painlord Titan Princeps of Slaanesh
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I think I know who you're talking about. IIRC, he actually won.
Also IIRC, he had abut 6,000 points of Daemons with him as well as his regular Faction.
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2019/04/05 13:20:38
Subject: Daemonic Summoning for the imperium
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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Excommunicatus wrote:I think I know who you're talking about. IIRC, he actually won.
Also IIRC, he had abut 6,000 points of Daemons with him as well as his regular Faction.
Seeeee, Now start puttting tghether 6000 daemons and a decent CSM army and go troll the tournament scene.
Additionally Imperium now can do this aswell. SO HUUUUURRRRAAAAYYY for the soup ruling.
Edit: Probably the only army that would require a carrier.
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https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page
A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH. |
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2019/04/07 16:45:58
Subject: Daemonic Summoning for the imperium
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Glasgow
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1) it works
2) its made my day
3) now i have an excuse to buy a darmon codex and get my darmons out of shelf theyve been on since 8th started
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2019/04/07 16:48:31
Subject: Daemonic Summoning for the imperium
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Automated Rubric Marine of Tzeentch
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 Eihnlazer wrote:Just the idea of a Culexus assassin running down the table besides a Herald of tzeentch should send shivers down your spine.
You can already do it in your chaos army, no probs. Just make Cypher your warlord in an auxilliary detachment and use the stratagem and 85 pts in reserve. Herald of Tzeentch? You think small. How about a culexus running down alongside Magnus?
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