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So probably a stupid question, but would there be any point in trying to make an army for the Sisters? They only have four units, and no HQ of their own which now that I think about it, makes it impossible for them to have an organized detachment...

No it's not, I think the best bet for them would be to hold off for sisters of battle and use them along side sisters of battle

BrianDavion wrote:
No it's not, I think the best bet for them would be to hold off for sisters of battle and use them along side sisters of battle

Is that possible? The only keyword they share is imperium which is too vague.

If you mix them with Custodians they're the same army list in 30k.

Doesn't really help in 40K...

It most likely be a small army. It would be for fun, and I wouldn’t expect it to be highly competitive. Though, you could be able to consider yourself quite the unique person, as well as the owner of a more unique army, like the owners of armies of the Fallen, or, to a lesser extent, the Militarum Tempestus.

PS-Primaris Psykers share the Telepathica keyword or whatever with them, so you could use those as HQs for you Detachments, I believe.

Don’t let Dakka Dakka discourage you. You may have a harder time, but, if you like it, it should be worth it.


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I mean actual Fallen armies, by the way, not Dark Angels count-as.

SOS would support SOB really well with the whole abhor the witch thingy and acts of faith. add in BT & custodes and go for the whole screw psykers theme.

Considering they only have Elite choices and had to get a special rule to let you field them as a legal HQ-less detachment... No, not viable as a stand alone army. They lack the tools to function as a proper army on their own.

I feel lile they can work in the future, but GW is going to need to avoid copying off of the Sisters, and likely double down on their anti-warp based abilities to make them feel unique.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Considering they only have Elite choices and had to get a special rule to let you field them as a legal HQ-less detachment... No, not viable as a stand alone army. They lack the tools to function as a proper army on their own.

I feel lile they can work in the future, but GW is going to need to avoid copying off of the Sisters, and likely double down on their anti-warp based abilities to make them feel unique.

Could you link me to that rule? I can only find something similar in the Errata for The Index 2. That only pertains to assassins though.

DeathKorp_Rider wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Considering they only have Elite choices and had to get a special rule to let you field them as a legal HQ-less detachment... No, not viable as a stand alone army. They lack the tools to function as a proper army on their own.

I feel lile they can work in the future, but GW is going to need to avoid copying off of the Sisters, and likely double down on their anti-warp based abilities to make them feel unique.

Could you link me to that rule? I can only find something similar in the Errata for The Index 2. That only pertains to assassins though.

Imperium 2 has it right above the assassin rule. "Null Maidens" is the name of the rule. It was added when they killed single detachment soup.

Darn. I guess SoS are best used as a bonus detachment as opposed to their own thing.

DeathKorp_Rider wrote:
Darn. I guess SoS are best used as a bonus detachment as opposed to their own thing.

Yup. You'd need a warlord at least which hurts taking them on their own unfortunately.

 Apple Peel wrote:

PS-Primaris Psykers share the Telepathica keyword or whatever with them, so you could use those as HQs for you Detachments, I believe.

I had to check this, and you're right. You can include Astropaths and Weirdvane squads as well.

 Mmmpi wrote:

 Apple Peel wrote:

PS-Primaris Psykers share the Telepathica keyword or whatever with them, so you could use those as HQs for you Detachments, I believe.

I had to check this, and you're right. You can include Astropaths and Weirdvane squads as well.

Honestly didn’t even think about that. But I’d try to keep it minimal for a pure army. Just a few “important Psykers” acting as HQs that need protecting. Maybe Astropaths for their cover negation.


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But the elite slots are being fought over as is.

No argument, just included it for completeness.

You know, for anyone who wanted a telepath army, with some thematic body guards.

 Mmmpi wrote:
No argument, just included it for completeness.

You know, for anyone who wanted a telepath army, with some thematic body guards.

Yes. Psyker being transported to the Black Ships by Sisters of Silence.

Racerguy180 wrote:
SOS would support SOB really well with the whole abhor the witch thingy and acts of faith. add in BT & custodes and go for the whole screw psykers theme.

They actually don't, oddly enough. Almost anything you could take an SoS squad to do, you could take an SoB squad in your army and do it at well without costing another detachment. And with the deny the witch stratagem, and with the brazier, SoB are actually better than SoS at breaking psychic-dependent armies, because they can target and stop powers that aren't just mortal wound spam. Notably, 4 SoS squads do seriously make it difficult to cast, but most of the time using Purity of Faith will be adequate. You can run SoS out as a suicide squad to absorb all the smites, but frequently a APC or cheap infantry squad will do that just as well without costing a detachment.


Anyway, on a completely other line of thought, the SoS really should have been included in the Custodes codex. They were sold together [and they're together in 30k], and I fell like an integrated mortal wounds sponge or two would actually really help my Custodes army.

Sorry I have to disagree, they shouldn't be part of the Custodes codex at all.

They were invariably linked in 30k because that matches the lore.
SoS in 40k are basically invisible, don't get me wrong I want to actually use my SoS as an army, but they really shouldn't be just a fringe faction bolted onto an unrelated Codex.

The problem currently is that so many armies have been given ways to mess with psychic powers. The original rules given to SoS look to be honest quite weak frankly.
Gone are voidsheen cloak rules, there anti psycher rules are written in such a way that they work better as a support faction.

Also the lore talks about them affecting the moral of everything and being able to banish deamons just by touch. Where are the rules for that?

Right now they arn't exactlly a competitive list mono, heck there is even better ways to add a big Nope to psychic shenanigans to imperial soup lists. But that doesn't mean you can't make a 2k list out of exclusively SoS though.

Ice_can wrote:
Sorry I have to disagree, they shouldn't be part of the Custodes codex at all.

They were invariably linked in 30k because that matches the lore.
SoS in 40k are basically invisible, don't get me wrong I want to actually use my SoS as an army, but they really shouldn't be just a fringe faction bolted onto an unrelated Codex.

The problem currently is that so many armies have been given ways to mess with psychic powers. The original rules given to SoS look to be honest quite weak frankly.
Gone are voidsheen cloak rules, there anti psycher rules are written in such a way that they work better as a support faction.

Also the lore talks about them affecting the moral of everything and being able to banish deamons just by touch. Where are the rules for that?

Right now they arn't exactlly a competitive list mono, heck there is even better ways to add a big Nope to psychic shenanigans to imperial soup lists. But that doesn't mean you can't make a 2k list out of exclusively SoS though.

Yeah, I just added up the points for a list. Three vanguard detachments, each with three Null-Rhinos with HK missiles, each detachment having three maxed out squads of the unique SOS units, adds up to around 1940 points or so. One could then take a single Primaris Psyker to have 4 CP instead of three.

 Apple Peel wrote:

Ice_can wrote:
Sorry I have to disagree, they shouldn't be part of the Custodes codex at all.

They were invariably linked in 30k because that matches the lore.
SoS in 40k are basically invisible, don't get me wrong I want to actually use my SoS as an army, but they really shouldn't be just a fringe faction bolted onto an unrelated Codex.

The problem currently is that so many armies have been given ways to mess with psychic powers. The original rules given to SoS look to be honest quite weak frankly.
Gone are voidsheen cloak rules, there anti psycher rules are written in such a way that they work better as a support faction.

Also the lore talks about them affecting the moral of everything and being able to banish deamons just by touch. Where are the rules for that?

Right now they arn't exactlly a competitive list mono, heck there is even better ways to add a big Nope to psychic shenanigans to imperial soup lists. But that doesn't mean you can't make a 2k list out of exclusively SoS though.

Yeah, I just added up the points for a list. Three vanguard detachments, each with three Null-Rhinos with HK missiles, each detachment having three maxed out squads of the unique SOS units, adds up to around 1940 points or so. One could then take a single Primaris Psyker to have 4 CP instead of three.

Or just strategum in a cullex's Assasin for maximum Psychic Nope.

Ice_can wrote:
SoS in 40k are basically invisible, don't get me wrong I want to actually use my SoS as an army, but they really shouldn't be just a fringe faction bolted onto an unrelated Codex.

AFAIK they are both still considered the two 'talons of the Emperor', and were even released as such in the gathering storm campaign for 40k.

My fave psychic killer- posted this before, sorry to spam it:

Greyfax leading a Cullexus, a squad of Witchseekers and a squad of Vigilators, all piled into an Acquisitor. That's five debuffs on psychic rolls, and Greyfax gets two deny the witch rolls.

Ice_can wrote:

 Apple Peel wrote:

Ice_can wrote:
Sorry I have to disagree, they shouldn't be part of the Custodes codex at all.

They were invariably linked in 30k because that matches the lore.
SoS in 40k are basically invisible, don't get me wrong I want to actually use my SoS as an army, but they really shouldn't be just a fringe faction bolted onto an unrelated Codex.

The problem currently is that so many armies have been given ways to mess with psychic powers. The original rules given to SoS look to be honest quite weak frankly.
Gone are voidsheen cloak rules, there anti psycher rules are written in such a way that they work better as a support faction.

Also the lore talks about them affecting the moral of everything and being able to banish deamons just by touch. Where are the rules for that?

Right now they arn't exactlly a competitive list mono, heck there is even better ways to add a big Nope to psychic shenanigans to imperial soup lists. But that doesn't mean you can't make a 2k list out of exclusively SoS though.

Yeah, I just added up the points for a list. Three vanguard detachments, each with three Null-Rhinos with HK missiles, each detachment having three maxed out squads of the unique SOS units, adds up to around 1940 points or so. One could then take a single Primaris Psyker to have 4 CP instead of three.

Or just strategum in a cullex's Assasin for maximum Psychic Nope.

See all people have to do is think outside of the "either its op broken or its trash" way of thinking. It opens a whole galaxy of options and such. They do need some help in the form of 30k vehicle rules for 40k. the Aquisitor looks badass.

I think that list would be an interesting one to play in a campaign against a buncha daemons.

They're more related to the Custodes than any other faction. They're part of the greater Talons of the Emperor faction, and are auxiliary to the Custodes, but are also attached to other Imperial organizations as required to carry out specific missions.

Also, they were sold together in a box set called "Talons of the Emperor". That's how I got mine. I kind of want to use them together.

I have like 30 SoS because I love the models but they have yet to see the table after they make them impossible to mix with Celestine in a vanguard detachments.
Before I normally ran a Tempestus +Bullgryn detachments, a Adeptus Custodes one, and Celestine +SoS

 Galas wrote:
I have like 30 SoS because I love the models but they have yet to see the table after they make them impossible to mix with Celestine in a vanguard detachments.
Before I normally ran a Tempestus +Bullgryn detachments, a Adeptus Custodes one, and Celestine +SoS

You can run 3x BSS and a Canoness w/ Torch with Celestine to get nearly as good psychic denial, or run your SoS as BSS.



On that note, and on the topic of the fluff and what codex the SoS should be part of: The Sisters of Slience are not Sisters of Battle. They're similar, but they're completely different organizations operated by different people. The Sisters of Battle are part of the Ecclesiarchy and historically the house militant of the Ordo Hereticus [Witch Hunters]. The Sisters of Silence are part of the Talons of the Emperor, the parent organization that also includes the Adeptus Custodes, and was the Emperor's personal army. The Sisters of Battle were founded in M36 to fight for the church and enforce the power of the Ecclesiarch; the Sisters of Silence were founded during the Imperium's foundation to protect the Custodes and the rest of the great crusade from psychic threats. While Sisters of Silence could support a Sisters of Battle unit in the field, they have no closer relationship than they have with the Space Wolves [whom they were also attached to in their major deployment in the fluff].

Personally, I'd like to see the SoS be folded in with the Custodes as Talons of the Emperor, like they are in 30k and like they were sold initially. While Custodes should form the fighting core of the force, SoS units should be a key defensive support for said core. An Oblivion-Knight as a lieutenant-grade leader unit for the faction would be a pretty nice addition, too, since the SoS shouldn't run the show but they should have their own leader unit for deployments in support of other Imperial factions. That said, that ship has sailed, and they'll probably be factored into an "Agents" style book with the Inquisitors and other units that don't really have a place, or get a pack of stratagems in a white dwarf like the Assassins.