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With the recent FAQ they said roughly 'if the model can't fit, you can't place it there'

So what happens with a large flyer with a base that is bigger than the top of a ruin? Can it be placed on top if it balances on, say, an L-shaped section of ruin that is far smaller than its base and it overhangs?

What if it can't balance on that same terrain piece?

Thanks!

 DoomMouse wrote:
With the recent FAQ they said roughly 'if the model can't fit, you can't place it there'

So what happens with a large flyer with a base that is bigger than the top of a ruin? Can it be placed on top if it balances on, say, an L-shaped section of ruin that is far smaller than its base and it overhangs?

What if it can't balance on that same terrain piece?

Thanks!

WMS has always been a "soft" rule. It's up to you and your opponent to hash out and to roll off via TMIR if you don't agree.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 DoomMouse wrote:
With the recent FAQ they said roughly 'if the model can't fit, you can't place it there'

So what happens with a large flyer with a base that is bigger than the top of a ruin? Can it be placed on top if it balances on, say, an L-shaped section of ruin that is far smaller than its base and it overhangs?

What if it can't balance on that same terrain piece?

Thanks!

WMS has always been a "soft" rule. It's up to you and your opponent to hash out and to roll off via TMIR if you don't agree.

This.

My interpretation is you need to be able to take your hands off the model and leave it there. If it cannot stay without support, you can't claim WMS.

WMS is for when it MIGHT fall, not for when it MUST fall.

 DoomMouse wrote:
With the recent FAQ they said roughly 'if the model can't fit, you can't place it there'

So what happens with a large flyer with a base that is bigger than the top of a ruin? Can it be placed on top if it balances on, say, an L-shaped section of ruin that is far smaller than its base and it overhangs?

What if it can't balance on that same terrain piece?

Thanks!

The intent seems to be that if you CAN balance it in place, but are afraid it will fall over if someone bumps the table, you invoke WMS and agree to where it's supposed to be, placing the model somewhere a little safer in the meantime. If you CAN'T balance it in place, WMS isn't going to help you.

In that sense, if you can balance the flyer on an L-shaped section of the ruin, great. You're golden. If you can't, WMS doesn't allow you to pretend like you can.

Wow, that's is stupider than I thought haha.

Pretty funny that if you had the dexterity to balance your flyer on a 1cm wide spire and it stayed in place for a few seconds then you could call WMS and it'd be fine to stay there

Wonder if there's any rule against putting some heavy metal on the side of a smash captain's 'scenic' base so he balances even if there are only a few mm of space on an upper floor ruin? I suspect not

Thanks for the clarification though!

 DoomMouse wrote:
Wow, that's is stupider than I thought haha.

Pretty funny that if you had the dexterity to balance your flyer on a 1cm wide spire and it stayed in place for a few seconds then you could call WMS and it'd be fine to stay there

Wonder if there's any rule against putting some heavy metal on the side of a smash captain's 'scenic' base so he balances even if there are only a few mm of space on an upper floor ruin? I suspect not

Thanks for the clarification though!

No rule against it, but no rule for it either. Just like there's no rule for putting some Blu Tac on the bottom of the base. Given there's no rule letting you do it, people may look askance at you if you do and choose not to play against you.

It is a hold over you'll only truly understand why it exsist when you play someone with really old multipart metal models.

They tend to disassemble even when nudged and falling 2-3 inches

Not to mention that some of them (looking at you Spacemarine banner boy) can not stand on anything but 100% spirit level flat terrain.

When people pick up my terminators from 3rd edition most of them have proper WTF moments given how much they weigh.

Yeah wasn't saying I'd do something like that, but it's pretty silly the weighting and balance of a model could make the difference between making a key charge

If you put metal on a base (or blu tac) to provide balance so you can place a model where it otherwise couldn’t be placed I’d interpret that as modelling for advantage, so not allowed.

But for friendly games where it was discussed beforehand, I’d probably be ok with it.

 DoomMouse wrote:
Wow, that's is stupider than I thought haha.

Pretty funny that if you had the dexterity to balance your flyer on a 1cm wide spire and it stayed in place for a few seconds then you could call WMS and it'd be fine to stay there

Wonder if there's any rule against putting some heavy metal on the side of a smash captain's 'scenic' base so he balances even if there are only a few mm of space on an upper floor ruin? I suspect not

Thanks for the clarification though!

To be fair, the intent of WMS seems to be to protect a model from falling over when placed somewhere that it WILL fit in the case that the table is bumped or otherwise jostled somehow. A lot of people, myself included, wouldn't count a few seconds of stability before falling over as a place that it will fit.

In any case, WMS requires the agreement of your opponent, so YOU can't really call WMS at all. You need your opponent to agree to it first. It's sort of a useless rule because it has "so long as you both agree to use this rule" baked in. It's more of a structured guideline.