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I’m thinking of getting some mechanicum allies to run with some of my legions. I’m looking at starting small but like the thought of a thanatar for some ap2 goodness. To keep costs down I can get some bits for a flgs (obviously not the thanatar) but would a standard GW tech priest and a squad of skitarii be valid? I could always get one of the hopilite upgrade kits for the skitarii if the base plastic GW unit isn’t valid. I literally just want the HQ and a troop choice as cheap as chips to begin with and a thanatar, unless people have other recommendations?

Thanks

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The techpreist can serve as a low level hq for sure as a Magos Dominus for Thanatar herding duties.
To use secutarii you have to have a Taghmata or Ordo Reductor force and you have to include 'a titan of any class' - otherwise you can't use them to fill compulsory troop slots.
My suggestion is to re-prpose an imperial guard squad as Tech-Thrall Adsecularis Covenant for the compulsory troop slot or splash out on a Thallax Cohort.


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Standard Tech-Priests are fine; I recommend the 32mm-based ones (Enginseer, Datasmith) as Tech-Priests on foot and the plastic Dominus on the 50mm base as a model on an Abeyant and/or as an Archmagos to justify him being so much bigger.

You don't need FW Secutarii parts; Peltasts are allowed radium carbines so just building a Vanguard squad is technically a legal 30k Peltast squad (do keep in mind that arc rifles are allowed but the plasma caliver/transuranic arquebus aren't). A purist might argue that the backpacks or the helmets are wrong, but reasonable people would be fine with it.

The other HQ option you might consider is the Axiarch; you'd need another Skitarii model to convert into one (so two boxes) and you'd need a cortex controller from another source for your Thanatar but he gives the Secutarii some free buffs.

Your other option for adding a few battle-automata to a Legion army is to just take a Praevian; he gives the bots some bonuses depending on the Legion, and some of them are really good (ex. Thousand Sons Castellax with 4+ Invulnerable saves). The best are the Raven Guard and Alpha Legion, though, since Independent Characters confer Infiltrate to their attached squads they get to Infiltrate the Battle-Automata and then add the Praevian bonus.

Unfortunately Legion cortex-controllers/Praevians only allow Castellax, Vorax, and Domitars, so no Thanatar if you take that route.

If your major objective here is that you really want a Thanatar and are searching for the cheapest ($) way to add it to an army I'd suggest going back to your original plan and get a box of Skitarii, a Tech-Priest Enginseer or Tech-Priest Dominus, and the Thanatar. Run the Tech-Priest as a Magos Dominus (Rite of Eternity out of Cybertheurgy is a more reliable way to repair the Thanatar than Battlesmith, and Patris Cybernetica lets him hide behind the Thanatar so you don't need to hold the Secutarii back as a bodyguard), take Enhanced Targeters on the Thanatar (+1 BS and an extra -1 to the target's cover), and you're looking at 460pts for the whole detachment.


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 SirDonlad wrote:
The techpreist can serve as a low level hq for sure as a Magos Dominus for Thanatar herding duties.
To use secutarii you have to have a Taghmata or Ordo Reductor force and you have to include 'a titan of any class' - otherwise you can't use them to fill compulsory troop slots.
My suggestion is to re-prpose an imperial guard squad as Tech-Thrall Adsecularis Covenant for the compulsory troop slot or splash out on a Thallax Cohort.



I keep forgetting the no-compulsory-Troops restriction; I usually use Secutarii in my Ordo Reductor army where I've already got a couple of units of Thallax.

Other cheap sources of Troops: Converting Adsecularii is certainly an option; they tend to be beefier/more muscular/less dressed than Guardsmen, so greenstuffing mechanical bits onto Catachans might work better than Cadians. A Macrotechnica Magos would let you use Tech-Priests in Troops; the plastic blisters aren't cheap but you only need one plus something to use as servo-automata. If you bought a Kastelan box you could probably get away with using the Datasmith as a Magos Dominus and the Kastelan as Castellax, then define the detachment as Legio Cybernetica so the Castellax can be compulsory Troops. Thallax aren't cheap ($50 for a team of three last I looked) but honestly they're not that much more expensive than the other options on this list, so...

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The normal GW Magos is a great model for the HQ.

You can buy Paragon of metal for the Thanatar so no need for a cortex, Thallax with a Photon Thruster is a solid choice with great movement with the thrust move and ap2 sniping at -2 cover saves and Thralls are always a great use of points for objective camping.
Sadly the Axiarch are off the table in an allied detachment as the detachment lacks a LOW slot I am sure most people will allow you to use skitarii as thralls as they are fairly expensive from FW.
Consider adding a Vultarax or a Arlatax in the fast attack slot as well, they both do well without cortex controllers due to their high movement being able to mitigate the cybernetica cortex required actions.

Seeing as your primary reason for the detachment is AP2 firepower I submit the following list:
Imo

HQ
Magos with jetpack and mc photon thruster "Ordinator" for the armourbane photon thruster
Troops
2x3 Thallax with photon thrusters
Hv
Thanatar with Paragon of metal and enhanced targeting
F - optional
Vultarax or Arlatax
   
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Azeroth133 wrote:
The normal GW Magos is a great model for the HQ.

You can buy Paragon of metal for the Thanatar so no need for a cortex, Thallax with a Photon Thruster is a solid choice with great movement with the thrust move and ap2 sniping at -2 cover saves and Thralls are always a great use of points for objective camping.
Sadly the Axiarch are off the table in an allied detachment as the detachment lacks a LOW slot I am sure most people will allow you to use skitarii as thralls as they are fairly expensive from FW.
Consider adding a Vultarax or a Arlatax in the fast attack slot as well, they both do well without cortex controllers due to their high movement being able to mitigate the cybernetica cortex required actions.

Seeing as your primary reason for the detachment is AP2 firepower I submit the following list:
Imo

HQ
Magos with jetpack and mc photon thruster "Ordinator" for the armourbane photon thruster
Troops
2x3 Thallax with photon thrusters
Hv
Thanatar with Paragon of metal and enhanced targeting
F - optional
Vultarax or Arlatax


I guess if I'm running this as an allied detachment I could get away with just one unit of Thallax to begin with and to keep costs down? Or are there other requirements on the HQ at play here?

   
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Just one Thallax unit is enough to meet the detachment requirements.

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