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How are people dealing with new models and old basing?

The squigs are ever so slightly larger than the square bases. so they over hang by a couple of mm on each side.

I could:

-leave leave with the overhang and just make sure to line them up unevenly so they rank up
-add cork to the base with just a touch of a over hang in the spots for the feet (which would match my AoS gloomspite basing anyway)
-Add the squigs diagonally (I don't really like this one, I think it looks odd)
-Switch too 25mm bases for them (I'm not keen on this idea, as I think it would make a unit too big)
-Keep the old models for the front rank and use the larger plastics at the back or for unit fillers ONLY.


Also with the herders, what are people doing with the mix of sizes from across t he years? I have all three styles (The old double team, the 6th edition larger individual ones and the new plastics) I'm happy to mix them up as I like all of them but I can't figure out which bases to use?
The old doubles sit on cavalry bases, so do I add two of the new style ones to the same bases, or squeeze the old ones on to single bases and one per base?

My only other idea to cover both issues is to use both the over hanging squigs and plastic herders both together on unit filler bases, which would make the box sets go further anyway and take care of the overhang issue, but this would mean that a lot of the models might feel segregated in a unit.

Switch to 25mm.

For warhammer you could always choose a larger base. In 9th age base sizes were fixed in the rules. So those rules were ignored.

Also 25mm bases fit better with double herders.

Just build them be happy they look comfortably based and give hard stares to pedants who complain.

I would switch to the base size you have most in your army, if this is not colluding with the editions of the game you play.

I guess most of the models are 20mm based, as they were like that in 6th-8th edition.

4 wide 25 mm bases are equal to 5 wide 20 mm, so maybe you can make some filler with a 50x50 base with your new squigs on it, accompanied by the old Herder models on cavalry base on each side.

 Orlanth wrote:
Switch to 25mm.

For warhammer you could always choose a larger base.

Wasn't the official stance that you have to use the bases that came in the model's box?

If you are conscious and angle their tails away from the one behind, they fit. I just finished a box myself, and added a few hoppers in from the new box as well.

Any chance of some pics? I was looking at the same thing but wasn't sure how well it would work, largely due to my bad experience of trying tot get the Black Orc boxed set to rank up...

Orlanth wrote:

Just build them be happy they look comfortably based and give hard stares to pedants who complain.

This is usually my one go to rule for everything in this hobby! haha

brr-icy wrote:If you are conscious and angle their tails away from the one behind, they fit. I just finished a box myself, and added a few hoppers in from the new box as well.

Thanks for the replies, but turns out I had been a bit premature with this thread! The first two squigs I had built had been the two with the widest stances in the whole box! As brr-icy says, with some careful positioning to not have all the tails in the way of the 2nd rank, the rest do all fit on 20mm still! It must have been damn luck for me to have picked the only two that don't from the start! haha

ingtaer wrote:Any chance of some pics? I was looking at the same thing but wasn't sure how well it would work, largely due to my bad experience of trying tot get the Black Orc boxed set to rank up...

They work great, though as mentioned above, you do need to be mindful where you have them as the tails can overhang a bit. But otherwise they mix in with the old squigs perfectly too! I'll grab you a photo later on, unpainted but I've mixed the box with a couple of metal squigs and they look great!

Good to know!

Maybe I will go that far as buying some new models from GW since... I can't remember. I was buying only used models, or boxed new models from private for cheap since... I think since the release of Savage plastic orcs




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Edit: Wrong. I bought the Cauldron of Blood Set for Dark Elves some time ago.

These new Squigs and Herders look fantastic!

The hoppers are great too, and if you're having trouble ranking the unit up with those two wide ones, put a hopper in between, only part is they are top heavy, i will most likely add a dime or some washers under the bases of them soon

 ingtaer wrote:
Any chance of some pics? I was looking at the same thing but wasn't sure how well it would work, largely due to my bad experience of trying tot get the Black Orc boxed set to rank up...

later than promised, but I did get around to snapping a couple of quick pics before heading out earlier:




They are only blu tacked on right now, so thats why some of them are at weird positions. The one in the front centre is the one I built first and the biggest issue as his feet over hang on both sides, but my cork basing scheme will fix that. The other one that is a tight fit is the one with the goblin in its mouth as his feet are larger than the squigs stance but he will be ok in a back rank or too the side. The rest are fine, just have to be wary of where you place them as to not get their tails in the way of another rank, as mentioned before!

 Arnizipal wrote:

 Orlanth wrote:
Switch to 25mm.

For Warhammer you could always choose a larger base.

Wasn't the official stance that you have to use the bases that came in the model's box?

There were three standards. First base accompanying the model was a valid base, as was the base listed on GW's list of bases, and third you could use a larger base, but not a smaller one.

The ambiguity was mostly because of 40K than WHFB, especially IG heavy weapons which at one time could be sold with 60mm round (then new Cadian plastics), two infantry round with or without a baseless weapon (most metal) or an infantry round and a cavalry base (metal Catachan rocket launcher) for this reason GW adopted the mantra that the base the model was supplied with was always valid. It was the only way out.
For WHFB many dragon models predated the chariot bases and were not updated. Notably the chaos dragon and the wood elf dragon. They came on 40x40, not even 50x50 or later chariot bases, but are supposed in later years to be on chariot bases, and fit far better that way. Its a throwback to the years when GW made fairly bulky kits and then tried to find creative ways to fit the on the largest available base, which was a 40x40 at the time, though most were later sold with 50x50.

Example:


Taking a larger base is essential for accommodating newer models, particularly the Great Unclean One. You cant use the base supplied, it's heretically curved, you cant fit it on the official 50x50 unless it hopped on one leg. I made my own 100x100 for mine. Yep custom base, and one not accounted for in any rules for WHFB. What am I to do, not use the new model? Not doing that, I like my big fatty. As WHFB is no longer supported there is no official way to resolve this anymore, and increasingly new sculpts of preexisting models will not fit base sizes. Could an orc player use a Mawcrusha as his wyvern? I cannot see why not, and that thing is huge. There is no right answer anymore but something has to bend.

 Mallo wrote:

Fairly decent fit for 25x25. I would repose the legs of the centre squig, but creartive basing works just as well. One thing you can do is place a wide squig (or other model) on two bases. I did this with some black orcs I bought.



Say hello to Ironskulls boyz, now avialable seperately to the rules for a few pounds less. i used Ironskull as a Black Orc hero miniature,and the other three became regular lads in his regiment. Thing is they are rather spread out. the orc with twin maces only needed some reposing with his right arm to fit a base in a regiment. The other two were rather less cooperative, so I mounted them on two bases each. The wide posed orc was attached to two bases side by side, and counts as two orcs in the regiment. The great axe orc i considered having two bases in tandem to account for the axe pose but I instead angled him slightly to the left on the base and obligate him to stand in the right hand file and he now fits in the regiment on one base. As black orcs are notoriously difficult to rank up having an orc taking up two bases actually opens up opportunities for fitting models together. I don't have to assemble my black orcs in a specific order, but I cannot just place any two next to each other but must separate the orcs with extra hand weapons. The wide posed orc brings some room to the centre of the unit making basing easier, so much so I rebased one of my regular black orcs the same way to make fitting even easier.
Note that I used two 25mm square bases for my wide pose orcs, not one cavalry base. Not only are cavalry bases not accurate to 25x50, I wanted to emphasise unity in the underlying basing as each base, not each model, represents one orc. I don't use unit filler often but when I do I try to use this standard and glue bases together. In fact my black orcs is my only regiment that purposefully uses unit filler even with models to spare. All other instances are to account for stretching beyond my model collection and not my 'standard' unit size, and my filler are all generic terrain bits like rocks or tree stumps, so I can add them to anything. This is really for scenario and guest use only, I myself will only use the regiments to the size i made them, but wont impose those limits on guests, if a guest borrowing one of my armies for a game wants regiment x to be ten models bigger, I can provide that.

I have ordered one box of squigs from ebay, will mount them on 25mm bases.