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How many wraith hiveships would it take to defeat (capture/destroy) a fully operational standard Aurora class commanded by councillor Melia

Also does every hiveships have a queen?

Thanks



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I thought I uploaded 2 pictures one of Councillor Melia and one of the ships

Who's councillor Melia?

She’s the one in the hologram in the pilot episode and she’s in a episode where They are looking back in time. She’s on the Lantean council during the war with the wraith and makes strategy decisions.

A fully powered, ZPM loaded and drone stocked Auroa class battleship is pretty formidable.

The ships shown are often, either older, battered or generally been taken over and not entirely as advanced as they used to be or lack the gene to use there most potant systems.

With a 3zpm powrwrd shield Atlantic lasted years, 3held for 10k years under water on lower power.

With 3it has a hyper drive that can outpace the run to earth by a mile. Like 2 weeks on earth ship, 1 day or hours for Atlantis on full power.

 jhe90 wrote:
A fully powered, ZPM loaded and drone stocked Auroa class battleship is pretty formidable.

The ships shown are often, either older, battered or generally been taken over and not entirely as advanced as they used to be or lack the gene to use there most potant systems.

With a 3zpm powrwrd shield Atlantic lasted years, 3held for 10k years under water on lower power.

With 3it has a hyper drive that can outpace the run to earth by a mile. Like 2 weeks on earth ship, 1 day or hours for Atlantis on full power.

I know Lantean ships are awesome and probably the best in Sci fi! The drones can tear anything to pieces. How many ZPMs on a single Aurora class?

Better question, because it's one that has always bugged me?

Why no search for a ZPM factory? You're in a self-sufficient city ship. Which is powered by ZPMs. And you honestly expect me to believe it doesn't have the capacity to make new ones?

I mean sure, the 'oh there it is, right, that's power sorted. Lets go give The Wraith a right kicking' thing would be a bit pants, narratively. But finding it, knowing its significance, and having a season or two long hunt for the missing bits and the knowledge to actually make it work? That's far more interesting than grubbing around trying to find other ones.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Better question, because it's one that has always bugged me?

Why no search for a ZPM factory? You're in a self-sufficient city ship. Which is powered by ZPMs. And you honestly expect me to believe it doesn't have the capacity to make new ones?

I mean sure, the 'oh there it is, right, that's power sorted. Lets go give The Wraith a right kicking' thing would be a bit pants, narratively. But finding it, knowing its significance, and having a season or two long hunt for the missing bits and the knowledge to actually make it work? That's far more interesting than grubbing around trying to find other ones.

Yeah they could have looked for the way to make ZPMs in the Ancient database or stumbled on the factory somewhere in the city. Then spent the next season try to get it to work only to have McKay overload it like he did with the Ancient Weapon on that planet. That way they answer the question and don’t make it too easy for the Atlantis Expedition.

It bugs me how Lantean ships are so powerful and good but they are defeated by unshielded wraith ships.

However many the plot says so

Wraith Ships came on in great numbers though. That's why the Lanteans fled in the end - sheer attrition.

I can imagine the Aurora’s ran out of drones before the shields failed. Is there any reason why Melia couldn’t just order a retreat once her drones ran out then resupply and attack again.

And where are the Drone Factories?

Why did nobody bother looking for that stuff? Surely it'd be largely automated, too?

The lanteans bolted for Earth because they were losing territory, as well as numbers. They were losing the battle of attrition

The drone and zpm "factories" were presumably HVTs for the wraith, since their tech doesn't rely on them but their enemy's tech did. If you can deny them to your enemy, you do so. The food races didn't use them either, so there was little point leaving that stuff around to be found later on.

Yes, each hiveship had a queen. There were also alliances between queens (and against other queens).

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Better question, because it's one that has always bugged me?

Why no search for a ZPM factory? You're in a self-sufficient city ship. Which is powered by ZPMs. And you honestly expect me to believe it doesn't have the capacity to make new ones?

I mean sure, the 'oh there it is, right, that's power sorted. Lets go give The Wraith a right kicking' thing would be a bit pants, narratively. But finding it, knowing its significance, and having a season or two long hunt for the missing bits and the knowledge to actually make it work? That's far more interesting than grubbing around trying to find other ones.

IMO, ZPM lasted so long and where so delicatly crafted they where made on a per need basis. As in someone would craft them when the need arised.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
And where are the Drone Factories?

Why did nobody bother looking for that stuff? Surely it'd be largely automated, too?

They did. Large chunks of season one (and later seasons) involved searching the city, and that included searching for ZPMs and drones.
But you know, it was actually city sized, and the expedition was limited to a number of people who can go through a gate relatively quickly, and their gear. With a maximum window of 30 some minutes. So there weren't a lot of people to search an entire city on foot for esoteric and dangerous technologies.

And when they finally found a facility that could probably make ZPMs, Rodney almost destroyed the universe with it. Which is a pretty good argument for not stashing it in your hub city. Sophisticated anti-capital ship homing missiles neither, really.

that was the only thing that annoyed about atlatnis was they killed and destroyed everyone for plot reasons that knew how to make ZPMs, like where the replicators were some how able to kill every ancient on the atlantis base, and not having an lantean stay on earth as an ambassador would've allowed for some interesting characters, and our first major side character to be an ancient.

But ontopic the aurora would be able to handle many hiveships but it would run out of ammo at a certain point. Their shields would last for a very long time, but over an extended period the ZPM would be gone and leave the ship completely powerless if it decided to stay in the fight.


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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
And where are the Drone Factories?

Why did nobody bother looking for that stuff? Surely it'd be largely automated, too?

Another great question, and on the topic of ZPMs as well, we have no idea who made them or how they were made. For all we know Altantis has the ability to create ZPMs.

 Asherian Command wrote:


But ontopic the aurora would be able to handle many hiveships but it would run out of ammo at a certain point. Their shields would last for a very long time, but over an extended period the ZPM would be gone and leave the ship completely powerless if it decided to stay in the fight.

Yeah that’s pretty much how I imagine a battle happening, however we see earth ships FTL ing away loads of times when things don’t go their way so I wonder why Melia or any other Lanteans couldn’t just order her Aurora class to run away when the Drones got depleted and resupply. Was the Lanteans really that overconfident in their ships or did the wraith stop them retreating somehow?

The Ancients had an alliance with the Asgard. I'm a bit surprised they didn't pick up some Asgard beam weapons as a second line of defense.

I mean, let's just face it, Earth ships are basically reverse engineered Gou'ald tech ( with Earth designed weapons) with bolted-on Asgard hyperdrives, weapons, and shields, and occasionally powered by ancient ZPM's. Even then a tiny Earth ship tends to curb-stomp Wraith ships several times its size.

A fully stocked, fully crewed, fully powered, fully operational Aurora class could likely take on (guessing here) 15 Hive Ships.

As pointed out though, it looks like Ancient vessels were NOT designed to keep slugging out damage for prolonged periods. I'm guessing they skated by on reputation and the occasional alpha-strike when needed. I'm also wondering if they also suffered from the same mental lapses as the Asgard, in the sense that they were too advanced to think dumb anymore.


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Gerbil13 wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:


But ontopic the aurora would be able to handle many hiveships but it would run out of ammo at a certain point. Their shields would last for a very long time, but over an extended period the ZPM would be gone and leave the ship completely powerless if it decided to stay in the fight.

Yeah that’s pretty much how I imagine a battle happening, however we see earth ships FTL ing away loads of times when things don’t go their way so I wonder why Melia or any other Lanteans couldn’t just order her Aurora class to run away when the Drones got depleted and resupply. Was the Lanteans really that overconfident in their ships or did the wraith stop them retreating somehow?

It was noted in the series that there were two types of hyperdrives produced by the Ancients. A simpler interplanetary hyperdrive (the only kind the wraith had access to) and the more sophisticated intergalactic hyperdrive. At least a portion of the Auroras were made with the more simple interplanetary hyperdrive, and it wouldn't surprise me if it was the majority of them. Running might not have been an option anymore.