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 Bolognesus wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

 Bolognesus wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

 Bolognesus wrote:

Soulman wrote:
An I the only one who prefers the Dark Vengeance-style Deathwing to these new models? Where did all the knives, feathers and incense go? Don't get me wrong, I don't hate the new models, I just assumed they'd be going down a simelar route to the Dark Vengeance stuff :/

Between mixing DV with multipose minis and using the DA veterans kit I'm sure you'll get quite a way there already

I'll second this. Besides coming with 5 Veterans to play with the DA Vet kit is a cornucopia of pretty awesome bits.

...and the price point is bordering on awesome for what you get, which is why I'm buying a few before this release becomes "official"; I don't quite trust GW to not mess that one up

Indeed. I was shocked how cheap they were for what you got, I didn't expect five veterans in there.

the packs with just the veteran sprue are even better. €16 which has those same 5 vets, just not the sprue with the tac squad accessories. It's a deal the likes of which GW has seldom given

Which sprue is that €16? Link?

 matphat wrote:

 Bolognesus wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

 Bolognesus wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

 Bolognesus wrote:

Soulman wrote:
An I the only one who prefers the Dark Vengeance-style Deathwing to these new models? Where did all the knives, feathers and incense go? Don't get me wrong, I don't hate the new models, I just assumed they'd be going down a simelar route to the Dark Vengeance stuff :/

Between mixing DV with multipose minis and using the DA veterans kit I'm sure you'll get quite a way there already

I'll second this. Besides coming with 5 Veterans to play with the DA Vet kit is a cornucopia of pretty awesome bits.

...and the price point is bordering on awesome for what you get, which is why I'm buying a few before this release becomes "official"; I don't quite trust GW to not mess that one up

Indeed. I was shocked how cheap they were for what you got, I didn't expect five veterans in there.

the packs with just the veteran sprue are even better. €16 which has those same 5 vets, just not the sprue with the tac squad accessories. It's a deal the likes of which GW has seldom given

Which sprue is that €16? Link?

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat1400016&prodId=prod900140a
There ya go.
The pic is a bit cobfusing but there's really 5 vets and a craptonne of stuff on there; just no special/heavy weapons.

Indeed. I was shocked how cheap they were for what you got, I didn't expect five veterans in there.

The funniest thing is, when I was building my Space Marines army and was using those DA upgrade frames for conversion bits, GW was mailing me 2 sprues for each order instead of just one. So, I got 10 veteran DA and a truckload of bitz for ~15 euros. I first ordered two sets and ended up with 20 guys instead of 10 and thought it was a mistake, but a week later I ordered three more sets and got 30 more guys. I even told the local GW staff about the cheapest SM kit ever and all they said is keep ordering if you keep getting double sets all the time

 MightyGodzilla wrote:
Something that GW overlooked if they wanted to preserve the "We are Deathwing" esthetic would have been to limit TDA entries to 0-1 for the other armies.

We have canonical examples of both the Blood Angels and Ultramarines fielding 100% Terminator forces. The Deathwing aren't supposed to be unique in this regard. I'd far rather see one good SM list than having it further Balkanised to make DA players feel more special.

 Therion wrote:

Indeed. I was shocked how cheap they were for what you got, I didn't expect five veterans in there.

The funniest thing is, when I was building my Space Marines army and was using those DA upgrade frames for conversion bits, GW was mailing me 2 sprues for each order instead of just one. So, I got 10 veteran DA and a truckload of bitz for ~15 euros. I first ordered two sets and ended up with 20 guys instead of 10 and thought it was a mistake, but a week later I ordered three more sets and got 30 more guys. I even told the local GW staff about the cheapest SM kit ever and all they said is keep ordering if you keep getting double sets all the time

Depending on how long ago you bought them, it used to be two sets of sprues for about what they are now charging for one. At one point you could get the two sprues + the SM Upgrade sprue for cheaper than the Veteran box.

Speaking of sprues, I can not wait to get to see the DW ones.

 Bolognesus wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

 Bolognesus wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

 Bolognesus wrote:

Soulman wrote:
An I the only one who prefers the Dark Vengeance-style Deathwing to these new models? Where did all the knives, feathers and incense go? Don't get me wrong, I don't hate the new models, I just assumed they'd be going down a simelar route to the Dark Vengeance stuff :/

Between mixing DV with multipose minis and using the DA veterans kit I'm sure you'll get quite a way there already

I'll second this. Besides coming with 5 Veterans to play with the DA Vet kit is a cornucopia of pretty awesome bits.

...and the price point is bordering on awesome for what you get, which is why I'm buying a few before this release becomes "official"; I don't quite trust GW to not mess that one up

Indeed. I was shocked how cheap they were for what you got, I didn't expect five veterans in there.

the packs with just the veteran sprue are even better. €16 which has those same 5 vets, just not the sprue with the tac squad accessories. It's a deal the likes of which GW has seldom given

That's what I meant, I haven't actually gotten one of the full vet boxes. I figure worst case the veterans go together to harass things and cause trouble in close combat, or I swap out models in the two tac squads with them for flavor.

Pure Ravenwing actually worked OK in 5th, despite being distinctly overcosted compared to all other bike armies. So yeah, hopefully it should work with the new codex too.

Not being able to reserve your entire force in 6th, combined with the FAQ which nixed scoring speeders (expected) and outflanking for sqauds with speeders (not expected) gave a huge kick to the groin to an army which was underpowered at best. So I am really hoping for some improvement

It has to be better then what we have now.

KalashnikovMarine wrote:Though, will the Knights be Elites? Or are they options for troops? Could I take them as elites with normal Termies for troops?

Gah I need more bloody troop slots... I currently run two Tac squads and four Terminator squads when I do a full "drop" with my Angels successors. I have ten more awesome counts as termies coming courtesy of DFG and the Eisenkern kickstarter... so if I can run the Knights as elites, then run full terminator... 36 models in terminator armor counting Belial. Probably more if I add a TA interrogator chaplain or librarian.

Rumours point to Deathwing being able to go up to 10 man squad sized and having combat squads, effectively doubling the number of troop Deathwing selections you can fit as compared to now.

TalonZahn wrote:I see that people are thinking it's an all in one box for all DA related Terms, which is great for the 2 types of DA TDA, but if the Cyclone is in there..... why would anyone buy the normal TDA box?

Because they don't play Dark Angels?

 Drunkspleen wrote:

TalonZahn wrote:I see that people are thinking it's an all in one box for all DA related Terms, which is great for the 2 types of DA TDA, but if the Cyclone is in there..... why would anyone buy the normal TDA box?

Because they don't play Dark Angels?

I will allow it, but not agree!

If a person can get more for their money, and almost definately better posed/more dynamic Terminators with extra bling on them, why would they not buy them?

I point to the Space Hulk Terminators as an example. I've seen those things painted up as any/all number of Marine Chapters. A bit of trimming or sanding and you have TDA that looks 10 times better than stock TDA. Now toss in the extra bits and pieces on the sprue, those are valuable trade stock.

I would guess that there is no Cyclone Launcher in the new DA TDA box, especially since there's supposed to be a Plasma Cannon.

However, I would love to be wrong.

TalonZahn wrote:

 Drunkspleen wrote:

TalonZahn wrote:I see that people are thinking it's an all in one box for all DA related Terms, which is great for the 2 types of DA TDA, but if the Cyclone is in there..... why would anyone buy the normal TDA box?

Because they don't play Dark Angels?

I will allow it, but not agree!

If a person can get more for their money, and almost definately better posed/more dynamic Terminators with extra bling on them, why would they not buy them?

I point to the Space Hulk Terminators as an example. I've seen those things painted up as any/all number of Marine Chapters. A bit of trimming or sanding and you have TDA that looks 10 times better than stock TDA. Now toss in the extra bits and pieces on the sprue, those are valuable trade stock.

I would guess that there is no Cyclone Launcher in the new DA TDA box, especially since there's supposed to be a Plasma Cannon.

However, I would love to be wrong.

I would agree with your reasoning However i do believe that the Wolfguard Terminator box has one so it is because of that that believe DA will in fact have A CML

Wolfguard Termies don't get a CML in their box.

 pretre wrote:
Wolfguard Termies don't get a CML in their box.

Well damn I'm sorry disregard my earlier interpretation. WE ARE DOOMEDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!

Or we are going to get a Plasma Cannon so its all cool.

You probably will get a PC since it is pretty unique and there are no alternate bits. If it helps, WGT get a HF and Assault Cannon.

Read the entire thread on my cell over 4days. I cant remember now, did someone say we have scoring speeders now? Cant remember if something unlocked them as scoring or not.

Faeit 212 wrote:From a source that wants to remain anonymous
Deathwing Knights
WS5
T5 when packed in close together
Smite
A one use ability and only lasts one turn
may select a Land Raider as a Dedicated Transport

Deathwing Terminators
1 terminator for every 5 may upgrade to the following weapons
heavy bolter
plasma cannon
assault cannon
cyclone missile launcher
can take a land raider as a dedicated transport

Dreadnoughts and Venerable Dreadnoughts are both an Elite Choice. A venerable dreadnought is simply a vehicle upgrade in the codex entry.

 pretre wrote:

Faeit 212 wrote:From a source that wants to remain anonymous
Deathwing Knights
WS5
T5 when packed in close together
Smite
A one use ability and only lasts one turn
may select a Land Raider as a Dedicated Transport

Deathwing Terminators
1 terminator for every 5 may upgrade to the following weapons
heavy bolter
plasma cannon
assault cannon
cyclone missile launcher
can take a land raider as a dedicated transport

Dreadnoughts and Venerable Dreadnoughts are both an Elite Choice. A venerable dreadnought is simply a vehicle upgrade in the codex entry.

T 5?! I could handle that. I wonder if that smite is once per combat or once per game.

Umm, sounds like once per game:
"A one use ability and only lasts one turn "

Guess we will find out later though. The T5 when packed close together thing just sounds weird. Like some sort of shield wall mechanic?

'Packed in close' = in BTB contact?

Yeah, I'm thinking that is probably what it is, Alph.

It would be a neat trade-off mechanic. More susceptible to templates and blasts, but harder to wound.

 pretre wrote:
Yeah, I'm thinking that is probably what it is, Alph.

It would be a neat trade-off mechanic. More susceptible to templates and blasts, but harder to wound.

They got big shields, so fluff wise I could imagine a toughness boost by 5 guys standing in a huddle, backs to each other, shields in front...

Yeah, exactly. If it works for the romans...


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Also, it would make deepstriking an assault unit pretty interesting. Yeah, you get a chance to shoot at me, but I'm prepared for it...

Any word on Mortis dreads actually being in the codex?

Pretty sure we're going to see them since every other dex got them, why not DA?

 pretre wrote:

Also, it would make deepstriking an assault unit pretty interesting. Yeah, you get a chance to shoot at me, but I'm prepared for it...

Talk about cinematic!

"A flash in the battle field, lightning crackles, the knights start to materialize, their eyes piercing above their shields as they transport onto the field. The fallen concentrate their fire on the new arrival but their shots fail to penetrate past the shields. Then the knights begin to charge..."

 Alpharius wrote:
'Packed in close' = in BTB contact?

No, you have to stack them one on top of the other.

Better start magnetizing heads and bases now.....

So, PC and CML in one unit, or 2 CML, or 1AC and 1 CML..... PC and CML sounds like a fun combo.

Who doesn't like tossing pies and missiles while hiding behind shields?

 d-usa wrote:

 pretre wrote:

Also, it would make deepstriking an assault unit pretty interesting. Yeah, you get a chance to shoot at me, but I'm prepared for it...

Talk about cinematic!

"A flash in the battle field, lightning crackles, the knights start to materialize, their eyes piercing above their shields as they transport onto the field. The fallen concentrate their fire on the new arrival but their shots fail to penetrate past the shields. Then the knights begin to charge..."

Or just lock shields and slow advance down the field. Very cool.

People playing table top miniature games need to stop using the term "cinematic".

Why? The scene that d-usa described could easily be filmed and shown in a movie.

 Breotan wrote:
People playing table top miniature games need to stop using the term "cinematic".

But it's in the rulebook...