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Are our beloved heroes like Straken, Marbo and all the other ones still alive during the Gathering Storm events?
Seems nearly impossible to me, as Straken, for example, was fighting the Night Lords on Catachan during 972.M41. So he would probably be over 100 years old. And that‘s a huge lifespan for a "mere" human.

ah but that's the beauty of the warp he could have fought there then gone on a trip to the next battle field that disappeared him for 60 years, hell he could be fighting in the gathering storm before he fights the night boards in 972.m41

Important (deadly) characters often get rejuve treatments. Commissar Yarrick was getting on a bit during the 2nd Armageddon war but was back in the saddle 60-ish years later for Armageddon 3.

 Karhedron wrote:
Important (deadly) characters often get rejuve treatments. Commissar Yarrick was getting on a bit during the 2nd Armageddon war but was back in the saddle 60-ish years later for Armageddon 3.

This. The oldest 'normal' human we know of was ~1,600 years old - several hundred is not out of the ordinary.

 Karhedron wrote:
Important (deadly) characters often get rejuve treatments. Commissar Yarrick was getting on a bit during the 2nd Armageddon war but was back in the saddle 60-ish years later for Armageddon 3.

Is there a source for officers such as regiments commanders (so guys like Straken, Chenkov, Gaunt) receiving rejuve treatments ? Because they're quite important to us and in the lore because they are characters with focus, but in-universe there are literally millions of them and they are completely replaceable. I'm not sure the Imperium is going to "waste" resources on personnel expected to die in duty.

Engrenages wrote:

 Karhedron wrote:
Important (deadly) characters often get rejuve treatments. Commissar Yarrick was getting on a bit during the 2nd Armageddon war but was back in the saddle 60-ish years later for Armageddon 3.

Is there a source for officers such as regiments commanders (so guys like Straken, Chenkov, Gaunt) receiving rejuve treatments ? Because they're quite important to us and in the lore because they are characters with focus, but in-universe there are literally millions of them and they are completely replaceable. I'm not sure the Imperium is going to "waste" resources on personnel expected to die in duty.

Combination of how rich they are, what connections they have and whether the Imperium deems them important enough.

Rejuvenant treatments are relatively common amongst the Imperial nobility (planetary lords etc). They don't live forever and they dont necessarily stay as limber, but they do last a few hundred years.

Engrenages wrote:

 Karhedron wrote:
Important (deadly) characters often get rejuve treatments. Commissar Yarrick was getting on a bit during the 2nd Armageddon war but was back in the saddle 60-ish years later for Armageddon 3.

Is there a source for officers such as regiments commanders (so guys like Straken, Chenkov, Gaunt) receiving rejuve treatments ? Because they're quite important to us and in the lore because they are characters with focus, but in-universe there are literally millions of them and they are completely replaceable. I'm not sure the Imperium is going to "waste" resources on personnel expected to die in duty.

except for the most part, guard characters AREN'T replaceable cogs expected to die.

Let's look at the various characters in the Imperial guard for a second.


Lord Castellian Creed: He's not just some random schlub he was the supreme commander on Cadia this is a man who if he told a space marine captain "I need to you deploy HERE" they listened to him. He was a crucial individual to the IoM as a commander, in addition he likely had a lot of contacts. he would have easily had rejuit access.

Colonel Straken: Yet again, this isn't some random dude, it's the commander of a crack regiment, he likewise will undobtedly have contacts and access to resources. the IoM won't see him as a replaceable cog.

Yarrick: Like Creed this is a guy whose a notable bad ass critical to the defence of an important warrior. a mman whom is such a bad ass Space Marines will defer to him. he's not a replaceable cog, he is both a fantastic general and a important inspiration. he's almost certainly going to have access to the treatment.


Basicly the IG characters aren't utterly replacable schlubs, they're heros of the Imperium, whose value lies in their command skill. The Imperium values those kinds of people,

Gaunt, as of the most recent book in the series . So I think he will soon have access to the best jevant treatments he could ever want, and since I doubt his zeal to kill the archenemy will ever wane, I think him seeking out ways to prolong his life to serve the god emperor makes sense. I doubt we will see that any time soon though.

Or if it makes more sense in your head, just assume they are all like The Dread Pirate Roberts.

BrianDavion wrote:

Engrenages wrote:

 Karhedron wrote:
Important (deadly) characters often get rejuve treatments. Commissar Yarrick was getting on a bit during the 2nd Armageddon war but was back in the saddle 60-ish years later for Armageddon 3.

Is there a source for officers such as regiments commanders (so guys like Straken, Chenkov, Gaunt) receiving rejuve treatments ? Because they're quite important to us and in the lore because they are characters with focus, but in-universe there are literally millions of them and they are completely replaceable. I'm not sure the Imperium is going to "waste" resources on personnel expected to die in duty.

except for the most part, guard characters AREN'T replaceable cogs expected to die.

Let's look at the various characters in the Imperial guard for a second.


Lord Castellian Creed: He's not just some random schlub he was the supreme commander on Cadia this is a man who if he told a space marine captain "I need to you deploy HERE" they listened to him. He was a crucial individual to the IoM as a commander, in addition he likely had a lot of contacts. he would have easily had rejuit access.

Colonel Straken: Yet again, this isn't some random dude, it's the commander of a crack regiment, he likewise will undobtedly have contacts and access to resources. the IoM won't see him as a replaceable cog.

Yarrick: Like Creed this is a guy whose a notable bad ass critical to the defence of an important warrior. a mman whom is such a bad ass Space Marines will defer to him. he's not a replaceable cog, he is both a fantastic general and a important inspiration. he's almost certainly going to have access to the treatment.


Basicly the IG characters aren't utterly replacable schlubs, they're heros of the Imperium, whose value lies in their command skill. The Imperium values those kinds of people,

I'm not talking about Creed or Yarrick, who are way above Regiment Commanders in hierarchy, you're bending my words. I'm specifically talking about guys the same rank as Straken, except they're not all heroes of the Imperium.

 Kcalehc wrote:
Or if it makes more sense in your head, just assume they are all like The Dread Pirate Roberts.

I can completely see Yarrick pulling something like that just to screw with our boy Ghazzy, or Cain pulling in a dupe so he can finally retire in peace.

Juvenat treatments are not a be-all and end-all though. Eventually the treatments get less and less effective leading to the skin taking on a waxy quality. Inquisitor Czevak was so beyond the treatments he was eventually put in a cryo suit just to sustain his failing body (though a stint in the Black Library reversed that).

There are also more distasteful methods such as cloning and the infamous halo devices.

Engrenages wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

Engrenages wrote:

 Karhedron wrote:
Important (deadly) characters often get rejuve treatments. Commissar Yarrick was getting on a bit during the 2nd Armageddon war but was back in the saddle 60-ish years later for Armageddon 3.

Is there a source for officers such as regiments commanders (so guys like Straken, Chenkov, Gaunt) receiving rejuve treatments ? Because they're quite important to us and in the lore because they are characters with focus, but in-universe there are literally millions of them and they are completely replaceable. I'm not sure the Imperium is going to "waste" resources on personnel expected to die in duty.

except for the most part, guard characters AREN'T replaceable cogs expected to die.

Let's look at the various characters in the Imperial guard for a second.


Lord Castellian Creed: He's not just some random schlub he was the supreme commander on Cadia this is a man who if he told a space marine captain "I need to you deploy HERE" they listened to him. He was a crucial individual to the IoM as a commander, in addition he likely had a lot of contacts. he would have easily had rejuit access.

Colonel Straken: Yet again, this isn't some random dude, it's the commander of a crack regiment, he likewise will undobtedly have contacts and access to resources. the IoM won't see him as a replaceable cog.

Yarrick: Like Creed this is a guy whose a notable bad ass critical to the defence of an important warrior. a mman whom is such a bad ass Space Marines will defer to him. he's not a replaceable cog, he is both a fantastic general and a important inspiration. he's almost certainly going to have access to the treatment.


Basicly the IG characters aren't utterly replacable schlubs, they're heros of the Imperium, whose value lies in their command skill. The Imperium values those kinds of people,

I'm not talking about Creed or Yarrick, who are way above Regiment Commanders in hierarchy, you're bending my words. I'm specifically talking about guys the same rank as Straken, except they're not all heroes of the Imperium.

you asked about Guard characters. I replied. I assumed you'd meant the characters in the codex. If you mean novel characters obviously that's up to the author to decide how it works. if you mean your own custom characters thats up to you

Any named character has enough value to the Imperium as propaganda to justify treatments IMO. In Warhammer if you have a name on the tabletop you are seriously above the norm.

Didn't Creed get poke-balled by Trazyn anyways?

In answer to the question: yes. Run of the mill guard colonels (and sometimes majors) do get rejuv treatments.

See the officers of the Valhallan regiment that accompany Ciaphas Cain in some of his wacky adventures. They're both specifically mentioned in chronologically later stories as having received the treatment (as has Cain himself, and he runs into contemporaries from his schooling days several times). It comes across as pretty common.

Voss wrote:
In answer to the question: yes. Run of the mill guard colonels (and sometimes majors) do get rejuv treatments.

See the officers of the Valhallan regiment that accompany Ciaphas Cain in some of his wacky adventures. They're both specifically mentioned in chronologically later stories as having received the treatment (as has Cain himself, and he runs into contemporaries from his schooling days several times). It comes across as pretty common.

it's worth noting that regimental commanders aren't useless chaff, they're an incrediably valuable resource due to their experiance etc. the guard considers a soldier a vetern after what, a single campaign if they've survived? if so Imagine an entire regiment that has survived (and won) numerous campaigns. these aren't your disposable infantry anymore, these are your elites, with experiance and expertise you'd be loath to lose. and a commander who can pull off multiple victories like this? a treasured resource.

 agurus1 wrote:
Gaunt, as of the most recent book in the series

Spoiler:

is now basically the warmaster of an entire crusade. He can pretty much only go up from there considering his competence and character traits. Also his daughter is the only heir to a family that runs an entire hive city.

. So I think he will soon have access to the best jevant treatments he could ever want, and since I doubt his zeal to kill the archenemy will ever wane, I think him seeking out ways to prolong his life to serve the god emperor makes sense. I doubt we will see that any time soon though.

All the snippets we get in the books from "A Record of Later Imperial Crusades" or whatever the title, it refers to Gaunt in past tense, so there's a subtle implication that he's no longer around by "present" 40K.

BrianDavion wrote:

Voss wrote:
In answer to the question: yes. Run of the mill guard colonels (and sometimes majors) do get rejuv treatments.

See the officers of the Valhallan regiment that accompany Ciaphas Cain in some of his wacky adventures. They're both specifically mentioned in chronologically later stories as having received the treatment (as has Cain himself, and he runs into contemporaries from his schooling days several times). It comes across as pretty common.

it's worth noting that regimental commanders aren't useless chaff, they're an incrediably valuable resource due to their experiance etc. the guard considers a soldier a vetern after what, a single campaign if they've survived? if so Imagine an entire regiment that has survived (and won) numerous campaigns. these aren't your disposable infantry anymore, these are your elites, with experiance and expertise you'd be loath to lose. and a commander who can pull off multiple victories like this? a treasured resource.

Meh. They keep them around more than the troopers, but they're still just grist for the mill.
'Valuing' anyone, let alone as a 'treasure resource' is antithetical to the setting.

Voss wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

Voss wrote:
In answer to the question: yes. Run of the mill guard colonels (and sometimes majors) do get rejuv treatments.

See the officers of the Valhallan regiment that accompany Ciaphas Cain in some of his wacky adventures. They're both specifically mentioned in chronologically later stories as having received the treatment (as has Cain himself, and he runs into contemporaries from his schooling days several times). It comes across as pretty common.

it's worth noting that regimental commanders aren't useless chaff, they're an incrediably valuable resource due to their experiance etc. the guard considers a soldier a vetern after what, a single campaign if they've survived? if so Imagine an entire regiment that has survived (and won) numerous campaigns. these aren't your disposable infantry anymore, these are your elites, with experiance and expertise you'd be loath to lose. and a commander who can pull off multiple victories like this? a treasured resource.

Meh. They keep them around more than the troopers, but they're still just grist for the mill.
'Valuing' anyone, let alone as a 'treasure resource' is antithetical to the setting.

it's all relative. they don't value them as people. they value them as tools. it's like having a decent paint brush that you put some care into, vs that dirt cheap one you picked up in a pack at the local dollar store you use to push some gritty technical paint around and expect to throw out at the end of the evening. and the end of the day though both are just tools and when their use is up you'll throw them both in the garbage without a second thought.