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What do you guys think of the salamander hand flamers? Are they worth it to give to all your sergeants?

If they replaced the pistol instead of the Bolt Rifle I would.

Wait I am a bit confused. I haven't seen the rulebook, cause still waiting for mine to come in. I just assumed your intercessor sergeants could wield it. And you could give them take that and say like powersword or hammer or something of the sort.

In the Codex it replaces the rifle, and I've not noticed anything in the Supplement that changes that

The Intercessor Sergeant can be equipped with one of the following instead of 1 bolt rifle, 1 auto bolt rifle or 1 stalker bolt rifle: 1 chainsword; 1 hand flamer.

If it was a replacement for the bolt pistol, it could be fun. But the opportunity cost of giving up your rifle is just too high.

Even if you were going with an aggressive, in your face squad planning on getting into CC, which would be the best place for it, you would still want the auto bolt rifle.

You do get to gunslinger it with your bolt pistol, so it does have that going tor it.

It reminds me of the old Blood Angels in 4th ed where the sergeant could take a hand flamer instead of a boltgun. It was weak then and it's weak now.

It replaces the Bolt Rifle. That's an absolutely terrible tradeoff.

Wait, can't intercessor sargeant take one chainsword on top of his rifle? Before they could.

 Galas wrote:
Wait, can't intercessor sargeant take one chainsword on top of his rifle? Before they could.

You can even take a thunder hammer in addition to the rifle, but for the hand flamer you have to replace the rifle.

I'm going to go with it's worth a fiddling around with.

 Daedalus81 wrote:
I'm going to go with it's worth a fiddling around with.

You're not gonna waste a CP for a lonely Intercessor Sergeant.

No it isn't worth fiddling with.

Wait, so for 1 CP I get to roll shots, then any of those shots that score a 4+ get a mortal wound? So a SGT with a hand flamer is now capable of dishing out 6 mortal wounds + anything else that gets through?

Stop the train, the conductor is dead. This means, on average, Handflamers are more deadly than Melta guns to tanks. Hand Flamers are now Anti-tank weapons for 1CP.

Yeah...no. It only works on ONE flame weapon, and can only be played once per phase. Hand flamers aint the primary vector that FoB gets use on.

The mortal wound Stratagem will only (and should only) be played on a model with 2D6 shots using the max-shots stratagem as well (i.e. the Incisor/Imperator/Indicator warsuit).

 Elbows wrote:
The mortal wound Stratagem will only (and should only) be played on a model with 2D6 shots using the max-shots stratagem as well (i.e. the Incisor/Imperator/Indicator warsuit).

In the case of Aggressors itll require the "count as stationary" strat as well. Its a 4CP combo.

Important point, it only triggers on unmodified wound rolls. To wound bonuses have no affect on the MW output.

Sterling191 wrote:

 Elbows wrote:
The mortal wound Stratagem will only (and should only) be played on a model with 2D6 shots using the max-shots stratagem as well (i.e. the Incisor/Imperator/Indicator warsuit).

In the case of Aggressors itll require the "count as stationary" strat as well. Its a 4CP combo.

Important point, it only triggers on unmodified wound rolls. To wound bonuses have no affect on the MW output.

My Deimos Infernus Pred should be redonkulous.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

You're not gonna waste a CP for a lonely Intercessor Sergeant.

No it isn't worth fiddling with.

It's no more or less useful than any other flame weapon barring an Invictor. If you're in a pinch it could be useful and its only a single point at the sacrifice of a handful of bolt rifle shots.

A non-vet Sarge with a TH and a hand flamer could be quite painful to fight if the timing is right -- scoring 4.25 wounds on a 4++ character. Or if you find the Sarge is the only body left on your turn and facing down multiple models he could sweep quite a few of them.

It's just the split sequencing of firing a pistol and melee that makes it a little more dubious. It's unlikely to fire overwatch as well.




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Racerguy180 wrote:


My Deimos Infernus Pred should be redonkulous.

Unfortunately Infernus cannons do not count as Flame weapons.




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For easier reference I added the description blocks to the FAQ portion of KTE.

So, would a Landspeeder decked out in Flamers and Meltas be a lot more ugly now? Because they could technically get in range turn 1 and roast some weenies.

So does this work on Flamestorm Gauntlets of aggressors?

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
So, would a Landspeeder decked out in Flamers and Meltas be a lot more ugly now? Because they could technically get in range turn 1 and roast some weenies.

So does this work on Flamestorm Gauntlets of aggressors?

Flamer/melta Super Doc is turn 2 so turn 1 isn't the best. It works on Aggressors, yes.

Racerguy180 wrote:

Sterling191 wrote:

 Elbows wrote:
The mortal wound Stratagem will only (and should only) be played on a model with 2D6 shots using the max-shots stratagem as well (i.e. the Incisor/Imperator/Indicator warsuit).

In the case of Aggressors itll require the "count as stationary" strat as well. Its a 4CP combo.

Important point, it only triggers on unmodified wound rolls. To wound bonuses have no affect on the MW output.

My Deimos Infernus Pred should be redonkulous.

The Infernus (assuming it's like the Chaos one) is still a hugely underwhelming 8" range weapon...and it's on a big easy-to-kill target. Now if you used double flamers on the sides...maybe worth it if you somehow got into range?

I've got a list I'm working on that includes a squad of three land speeders with twin flamers, with the 4++ strat I think they might be pretty good.

The nice thing about the hand flamer is that you're getting auto-hits in pistol range against chaff units. It can really help put on the hurt when your Intercessors get locked up with weaker units, like Ork Boys, Guardsmen, Cultists, etc. Being s3 hurts it quite a bit, but having ap-1 and +1 to wound on turn 2 is quite nice. That means it'll wound on 4's against your t4 stuff, so at least as good as any bolt pistol that you could give.

The fact that it replaces the rifle is pretty meh, but you can take a melee weapon as well for maximum effectiveness in close combat. I'd personally throw in the chainswords and dedicate that squad (be it 5-man or 10-man) to being a chaff-hunter. I'd only do it with one squad, and even then, only against certain enemies.

It also has pitifully poor range, but if you're going to go all the way, then use the successor strat for +3" range on all your weapons. Suddenly, all your flamer weapons actually have a pretty decent range on them.

All told, though, I think there are better ways to use the points and better ways to make flamer type weapons handy. If you're going for a theme, though, why not?

kingheff wrote:
I've got a list I'm working on that includes a squad of three land speeders with twin flamers, with the 4++ strat I think they might be pretty good.

Given those are index options don't bank on them being available forever if it goes to Legends.


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drbored wrote:
All told, though, I think there are better ways to use the points and better ways to make flamer type weapons handy. If you're going for a theme, though, why not?

I think a handful of bolt rifle shots lost on a melee focused unit isn't going to lose you games, but some nice spiky damage could turn parts of it.

Well they are salamanders so they can have flamers even in their mouths.