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So who’s you’re favourite out of the two and why?

I like Perturabo in the sense that he has a very realistic martyr complex, given that he was given the gak jobs and he always felt the Eye of Terror staring at him since he landed on Olympia. His bitterness is partly justified in the fact that really does do the backbone work of both when was a loyalist and a traitor. This is especially seen given how Perturabo was one of the few Primarchs that actually did what he was told by Horus rather than scheming like Lorgar or running off to do their own thing like Fulgrim. Unfortunately, his petty desire to be acknowledged without putting in the effort to connect with others is why I overall like Dorn more. Dorn is an idealist, he doesn't do things out of pride or materialistic reward, but out of duty and loyalty to the overall idea of what the Imperium was supposed to be. That's why he was the Emperor's Praetorian and the reason he became so broken after his father fell. All the things he did, like taking apart the Imperial Palace's aesthetic beauty into an ugly fortress, along other measures, were for naught since all he had striven for in the Emperor's vision died in the fires of Horus' ambition. This is something sadly Perty lacked, since if he and Dorn had gotten past their differences they would have made for an unbeatable duo.

This is one of those polls I wish had the option: 'I like participating in Polls'.

I really like both them quite a bit. While not nearly as talented as Perturabo, I think we all can relate to what it is like to be really good at something and never get any acknowledgement for it and even get some of dirtiest work because of it.

At the same time, I really like the dichotomy of Dorn's sensibleness along with his fury which mostly lurks just below the surface.

In the end, I side with Chaos.

Perturabo, the bitter traitor with a bloody resume a mile long and a reason to use it, willingly accepting damnation to pursue vengeance, just works better for me than Dorn who comes off (perhaps unfairly at times) as a stuffy golden boy. His absurdly manchild-ey initial violent denial of Horus's rebellion in flight of the eisenstein was really silly (though unfortunately not unique in that series) and sticks out in my mind.

That said, it also sounds like they've expanded on both more in the HH series than I've read into with the first few books.

 Vaktathi wrote:
Perturabo, the bitter traitor with a bloody resume a mile long and a reason to use it, willingly accepting damnation to pursue vengeance, just works better for me than Dorn who comes off (perhaps unfairly at times) as a stuffy golden boy. His absurdly manchild-ey initial violent denial of Horus's rebellion in flight of the eisenstein was really silly (though unfortunately not unique in that series) and sticks out in my mind.

That said, it also sounds like they've expanded on both more in the HH series than I've read into with the first few books.

I feel like they've definitely done Perturabo more justice recently between Angel Exterminatus and his recent Primarch book. So far Dorn has been mainly present in short stories and as a side character in a few mainline HH books, the only one that really focuses on him a bit more is Praetorian of Dorn and I believe the Siege of Terra books. We'll see if we get any more insights when his Primarch book comes out

I don't care one bit about the lore. So I vote based on the minis. Mainly my minis.

So, Perturabo.

Why?
Because I've had alot of my CSM painted up as IW since the 4e days. In fact some even are IW specific models or have IW upgrade bitz. So if the day ever comes when I can add their primarch all I have to do is paint up 1 guy, in a pretty easy scheme. Painting isn't my favorite thing to do, but I can handle 1 guy.

IF? I don't have a single piece painted up as IF. Because although I like how a hoard of yellow marines, dreads, & their vehicles look, I've had my fun with painting yellow back when I did up my Iyanden army. And I'm not really keen to repeat it should Dorn ever be released. Nor do I want to shell out the $$$ for a commission.

Dorn. He beat Perturabo at the Siege of Terra, and I don't back losers.

 Saber wrote:
Dorn. He beat Perturabo at the Siege of Terra, and I don't back losers.

Perturabo beat him in the Iron Cage incident after though. So I guess you gotta change your vote now.

 Grimskul wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
Perturabo, the bitter traitor with a bloody resume a mile long and a reason to use it, willingly accepting damnation to pursue vengeance, just works better for me than Dorn who comes off (perhaps unfairly at times) as a stuffy golden boy. His absurdly manchild-ey initial violent denial of Horus's rebellion in flight of the eisenstein was really silly (though unfortunately not unique in that series) and sticks out in my mind.

That said, it also sounds like they've expanded on both more in the HH series than I've read into with the first few books.

I feel like they've definitely done Perturabo more justice recently between Angel Exterminatus and his recent Primarch book. So far Dorn has been mainly present in short stories and as a side character in a few mainline HH books, the only one that really focuses on him a bit more is Praetorian of Dorn and I believe the Siege of Terra books. We'll see if we get any more insights when his Primarch book comes out

I imagine he'll also get plenty of attention in Siege of Terra. this is his time.

As mentioned on previous thread about the same thing...

Perturabo sounds like portobello which is a very nice pizza topping

Dorn sounds like rogan josh but I've had my fill of curry recently.

Portobello for the win, I feel like pizza today.

I feel like Petuarbo could have worked out his issues with his brothers if he actually tried, but he never did, because reasons. It's kind of like he inherited all the "I don't know how to human" of the emperor.

Dorn feels much more like a real person when he went full denial over the thought of Horus betraying him, but came to his senses after thinking and raging about it for some time.

Mine was Perty before the two SoT books I’ve read. Perty just comes off as a moaner with a god complex. I like that Dorn is all sensible and boring until he loses his rag then goes wild.

I've never seen why people like Dorn honestly. I haven't really read any details about him which is the reason for that but I'm still team Perty because his side somehow seems less horrible to me.

 Drudge Dreadnought wrote:

 Saber wrote:
Dorn. He beat Perturabo at the Siege of Terra, and I don't back losers.

Perturabo beat him in the Iron Cage incident after though. So I guess you gotta change your vote now.

It's not a "victory" if you flee the field because you can't win.

pm713 wrote:
I've never seen why people like Dorn honestly. I haven't really read any details about him which is the reason for that but I'm still team Perty because his side somehow seems less horrible to me.

Perty is someone a lot of us feel we can understand, the unappreciated guy, but just like in most real people like that, once you look closely you realize it's really all their own damn fault.

Dorn - stoicism at its finest. "Only in death does duty end" is Dorn in a nutshell.

Perturabo on the other hand was a petulant child, happy to waste the lives of his sons in wars of attrition.

Dorn. I prefer Imp Fists and their successors over Iron Warriors, so that preference extends to the Primarchs too. Although I’d happily buy models of both.

Perturabo. He's not likable, but at least he's somewhat interesting.

Dorn is a long, tedious, trip to dullsville, with a stopover at 'Iron Cage Retcon', cos the story can't be about the baddies.

Perturabo did nothing wrong.

Perturabo, hands down.

 Saber wrote:
Dorn. He beat Perturabo at the Siege of Terra, and I don't back losers.

Perturabo was also given a helping hand from the Dark Angels relinquishing more siege weapons/engines to their cause. While the Imperial Palace was breached, it was only because Perturabo had said help AND had other traitor Legions backing him in the siege. With the Iron Cage, Dorn and his men were on the brink of annihilation for his offensive siege tactics that he was not accustomed to (i.e. Perturabo's field of expertise) and eventually had help from Roboute Guilliman and his Ultramarines. With regards to them as who I'd like more personality wise, I'd throw my lot in with Perturabo. Why? Because he and his men were relegated to being the backbone of war, digging ditches, doing the dirty work and were really never given the same level of credit/honors as Dorn had. Perturabo sacrificed his own men through the process of decimation so that the Iron Warriors could be stronger as a whole. That and I like to smash things to a pulp as opposed to being said pulp.

This is what happens when Perturabo, an unstoppable force, meets Rogal Dorn, an immovable object. In the words of a wise man "I think you and I are destined to do this forever..."

hmm, Dorn or anyone not Dorn? Dorn loses this one everytime

Perturabo is cold and bitter.
Dorn is cold and better.

Vote Dorn 2019.

Perturabo. He's simultaneously the most and least human of all the primarchs to me.

He hungers for brotherly recognition and approval and knows he is due some for his hard work

Doesn't talk it through or even attempt to really resolve it, as if he understands the problem but not that he is really part of it all.

Plus his legion is straight up awesome and whoever took away my Basilisks from me needs to march to the Iron Cage themselves...

I like both, IF are one of my favorite chapters. However that said, my heart is iron within, iron without. I love the IW story and how they were basically treated like garbage, given the worst jobs, never got any respect at all, and finally snapped. Mostly because it's a very relatable thing: Your job stresses you out and you work long hours, always doing what you're told without question, your boss constantly praises your co-workers and never you, you see everyone else getting bonuses and promotions but whenever you ask it's not in the budget... it's a very real thing. The IW did everything asked, rather than try to do their own thing or pulling strings. Perturabo even split his legion up to garrison planets because he was told to when all the others refused to split an wanted to stay whole.

Although I dislike how later fluff has essentially made Perturbo just envious of Dorn because that wasn't meant tbe the case since they were basically equal/mirror images (Dorn specialized in building things, Perturabo specialized in destroying things)

From the Lore I've heard I was early on adopter of the Iron Warriors. Which is weird because I love Rogal Dorn. So I vote Dorn for Primarch, but if you ask the same question as IW vs IF, I'm going warriors.

The more I read about Dorn, the more I like him.
His dream of the Bastion Imperialis? A fortress to protect all humanity across the stars? That's my boi.
Plus, new background in the IF supplement basically says IF see the Indomitus Crusade as Guilliman accepting he was wrong and Dorn was right. So, moral victory

Peterabo, for being a different spin on Chaos in motivation & attitude, but not so different that it feels like 'different just to be hip' syndrome.

 Grimskul wrote:
I like Perturabo in the sense that he has a very realistic martyr complex, given that he was given the gak jobs and he always felt the Eye of Terror staring at him since he landed on Olympia. His bitterness is partly justified in the fact that really does do the backbone work of both when was a loyalist and a traitor.

This doesn't really hold water. Perturabo wasn't the only one who got the hard jobs- the niche of the Death Guard and the Salamanders was literally "we fight on Death Worlds". They and the Iron Warriors all three were called in for attrition based warfare, yet one Legion took the responability in stride and never turned traitor, while another did rebel but for completely unrelated reasons (Mortarion didn't resent his job, only the cause he was fighting for).

So it's hard to buy the "Mortarion rebelled because he was underappreciated" argument. Really, he rebelled because he nuked his own planet in a fit of rage, feared retribution and sided with Horus, who forgave him. He felt slighted by the Emperor but if you look at the events as they happened most of those "slights" seem to be self-perceived. Yeah, the Emperor was an unfeeling sociopath, but he was like that to almost everybody. Yeah, many of the other Primarchs were dickheads, like Fulgrim, but they were all pretty dick'ish to each other. Yet most of the other Primarchs could cope with that while Perturabo couldn't. People like to act like he was this underappreciated and undervalued asset that no one wanted to be around, but really he was more akin to the 4chan user that complains about not having a girlfriend but absolutely refuses to take any steps whatsoever to improve himself.

He's certainly more interesting then Dorn though. But that's mostly because Dorn is a very simple character. Nuance is interesting, purity of purpose and a strong sense of self is admirable but also boring.

Perturabo becuase I am a chaos supporter. Also he is undivided which is a plus for me