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I know this is going to sound really greedy *cue eye rolls*, but where are the biker, jump-pack, and close combat aspects of the Primaris Marines? Obviously, it goes without saying that Games Workshop has A LOT of stuff on their plate, what with having plastic Aeldari Aspect Warriors, Sisters of Battle, etc., but could it also be that the Primaris Marines have abandoned certain options in battle in favor of primarily shooting?

GW had 20+ years to fill out the original space marine line, they won't replace everything in a couple years time. In fact, they've taken pains to not produce direct analogue units. Aggressors aren't Terminators - no deep strike, no invulnerable save. Inceptors aren't bikers or jetpacks though they have aspects of both (sort of attack bikes with jet packs?). Only Hellblasters seem to be in direct competition with Devastators, though the lack of Lascannons means they don't invalidate Devastators. You get a similar feel for primaris tanks; the Repulsor isn't exactly a Land Raider, but neither is a Repulsor Executioner.

Primaris Bikes would be nice, however.

also general consensus is that GW is going to do three inital primaris waves. the first 2 years ago was the basic "battleline" units. most commonly seen among the Battle companies etc. then we had the Phobos light armor release, giving marine players more options, and allowing someone who wanted to, to field the 10th company as a fully fleshed out force. Most people including myself expect that we'll get a Gravis styled armor release that will likely see Primaris terminator equivilants.

Well, I think that Primaris will get jump packs and bikes soon.
Tacticals are Marines of the dark age while Primaris stand for the renaissance.
To signify this, bikes could be more advanced such as hoover bikes.

if primaris get bikes it'll certainly be jet bikes, every other primaris vehicle has hover tech, normal bikes would be odd. that said... I kinda wonder if we will get bikes, inceptors fill the role Bikes useally would so I dunno..

Personally I hope to hell we get bikes, because feth those flight stands.

As others pointed out, I would not be worried about the currently missing options in the Primaris lineup.

For me Reivers do feel like "Primaris Assault Marines". They don't have jump packs, but thanks to infiltrate can start much closer to the enemy and pack basic close combat weaponry.

With the Invictor Warsuit we just got a nice "In your face" dreadnought as well. While not being the most killy unit in the game, alot of other units would not like getting charged by it either.

BrianDavion wrote:
if primaris get bikes it'll certainly be jet bikes, every other primaris vehicle has hover tech, normal bikes would be odd. that said... I kinda wonder if we will get bikes, inceptors fill the role Bikes useally would so I dunno..

Personally I hope to hell we get bikes, because feth those flight stands.

Yeah given the formula for bikes, plus a wound and toughness, I doubt we'll see bikes unless they're like bargain bin custodes bikers and melee based with some shooting

The stormcast release waves have a very rough parallel with primaris.

My personal feeling is that next Primaris wave will be anti psyker specialists who all happen to be psychic as well.

SeanDrake wrote:
The stormcast release waves have a very rough parallel with primaris.

They literally don't.

Stormcast had two separate army books, then people like you whined and whined and whined about bloat(neither book was required to run the other), and they caved to the whining. What were two distinctive flavors of play(Stormcast Eternals were the Liberators and other foot units while the Extremis were the Dracoth riders) got jammed in together, and the third never got a chance to even exist as its own thing.

My personal feeling is that next Primaris wave will be anti psyker specialists who all happen to be psychic as well.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight...

Or it will be Gravis.

even if sean is right then it stands to reason the next primaris wave won't be normal marines but will be a Primaris Grey Knight Wave (something I could get on board with)

Or it's Gravis.

We've seen nothing suggesting "Primaris Grey Knights" nonsense outside of "bUt iT hAs tO hApPeN!".
We have seen stuff suggesting Gravis though.

 Kanluwen wrote:

SeanDrake wrote:
The stormcast release waves have a very rough parallel with primaris.

They literally don't.

Stormcast had two separate army books, then people like you whined and whined and whined about bloat(neither book was required to run the other), and they caved to the whining. What were two distinctive flavors of play(Stormcast Eternals were the Liberators and other foot units while the Extremis were the Dracoth riders) got jammed in together, and the third never got a chance to even exist as its own thing.

The "rough parallel" is that the Warrior Chambers (general-purpose core trooper dudes) look a bit (if you squint) like the initial basic Primaris stuff release and the Primaris Vanguard are called the same thing as the Stormcast Vanguard and have a similar battlefield function (scouting and sniping). Which if you consider the tanks the closest thing we're likely to get to the Extremis chambers in 40k means the next thing that's coming should be Primaris wizards to parallel the Sacrosanct Chambers.

*sideways glance at the phrase 'Primaris Grey Knights'*

(All of this is baseless speculation that likely has nothing to do with reality outside the world of conspiracy theories where a vague correlation is enough to say "PRIMARIS GK CONFIRMED" and shouldn't be taken to mean any of this is actually going to happen or that I have any insight into GW's design process.)

 Kanluwen wrote:
Or it's Gravis.

We've seen nothing suggesting "Primaris Grey Knights" nonsense outside of "bUt iT hAs tO hApPeN!".
We have seen stuff suggesting Gravis though.

ohh I agree, I doubt it'll happen, just if GW was going with that game plan we'd be more likely to see prmaris GKs then some "all psyker all the time" vanilla varient.

If GW does Primaris GK it's gonna be a lot more than essentially a helmet swap. All the sculpts will likely have greaves like the Primaris Chaplin and such.

Otherwise GK could just have a supplement for them if they have a "psyker chamber" open up

Also stormcast have artillery so wouldn't they be tanks?

 Psionara wrote:
I know this is going to sound really greedy *cue eye rolls*, but where are the biker, jump-pack, and close combat aspects of the Primaris Marines? Obviously, it goes without saying that Games Workshop has A LOT of stuff on their plate, what with having plastic Aeldari Aspect Warriors, Sisters of Battle, etc., but could it also be that the Primaris Marines have abandoned certain options in battle in favor of primarily shooting?

New Eldar plastic aspect warriors?

I asked and I thought the answer was no incoming new aspect warrior models on the horizon?

 Kanluwen wrote:
Stormcast had two separate army books, then people like you whined and whined and whined about bloat(neither book was required to run the other), and they caved to the whining. What were two distinctive flavors of play(Stormcast Eternals were the Liberators and other foot units while the Extremis were the Dracoth riders) got jammed in together, and the third never got a chance to even exist as its own thing.

Sorry to contradict, but this I don't think this is correct. Stormcast Extremis was an expansion to the regular Stormcast - Dracoth riders were never battleline and never had any shenanigans to make them so (e.g. Battleline if Lord Celestant on Stardrake is General), and thus you couldn't ever field this army in Matched Play without the original book and it's Liberators/Judicators.

I understand that Stormcast Extremis Chamber was released before the original Generals Handbook (and thus prior to Matched Play being a thing), but given Generals Handbook was released about 4 months after Extremis Chamber, I can't imagine that this was reactionary and not just as-planned given GW's lead times on these things. And while Extremis could exist in without Warrior Chambers prior to Matched Play being a thing (or in Open Play), literally anything could so I don't think that argument holds water.

 Haanz wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Stormcast had two separate army books, then people like you whined and whined and whined about bloat(neither book was required to run the other), and they caved to the whining. What were two distinctive flavors of play(Stormcast Eternals were the Liberators and other foot units while the Extremis were the Dracoth riders) got jammed in together, and the third never got a chance to even exist as its own thing.

Sorry to contradict, but this I don't think this is correct. Stormcast Extremis was an expansion to the regular Stormcast - Dracoth riders were never battleline and never had any shenanigans to make them so (e.g. Battleline if Lord Celestant on Stardrake is General), and thus you couldn't ever field this army in Matched Play without the original book and it's Liberators/Judicators.
I understand that Stormcast Extremis Chamber was released before the original Generals Handbook (and thus prior to Matched Play being a thing), but given Generals Handbook was released about 4 months after Extremis Chamber, I can't imagine that this was reactionary and not just as-planned given GW's lead times on these things. And while Extremis could exist in without Warrior Chambers prior to Matched Play being a thing (or in Open Play), literally anything could so I don't think that argument holds water.

Alternatively, one could understand that the intention behind Dracoth Riders never really allowed for battleline--and Matched Play with roles was a compromised game to begin with.
They weren't meant to have regular goons running around. They were meant to be an 'elite' force. They were made equivalent, from the outset, to the Paladins of the Warrior Chamber.

Additionally, the lead-time for General's Handbook/Chapter Approved has been implied to be significantly lower than people believe.

Kanluwen whats your obsession about taking small books separated by pure corporate greed like Skitarii and the Extremis Chamber Stormcast Book (Something done in the original age of AoS of separating all factions into 30 mini factions to sell you 30 books for 3 units) and defending them like some kind of extremely well written and healthy product for the game?
And not only that, but then calling names and accusing people of moaning, and thats why those EXTREMELY GOOD products are now consolidated. Not because they sucked ass. Only because people moaned and complained.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Additionally, the lead-time for General's Handbook/Chapter Approved has been implied to be significantly lower than people believe.

I don't doubt that, given these are annual supplements and all, but we're talking about the original General's Handbook here - not the subsequent incremental ones after it became an annual thing. This was the book that brought points to everything for the first time in Age of Sigmar from scratch, as opposed to an annual update to something that already existed. I imagine it had a bit of a longer development cycle and lead time than the ones that followed.

 Galas wrote:
Kanluwen whats your obsession about taking small books separated by pure corporate greed like Skitarii and the Extremis Chamber Stormcast Book (Something done in the original age of AoS of separating all factions into 30 mini factions to sell you 30 books for 3 units) and defending them like some kind of extremely well written and healthy product for the game?

Frankly, because people like you opt to decry things they dislike as "pure corporate greed".

I didn't need to have Cult Mechanicus when I ran Skitarii. I had a fully functional army, that had its own unique FOC allowing for me to field it without ever dipping into allied units.

And not only that, but then calling names and accusing people of moaning, and thats why those EXTREMELY GOOD products are now consolidated. Not because they sucked ass. Only because people moaned and complained.

Hey, remember when no Cult Mechanicus players ever complained about "needing" Skitarii to function?
Because I don't remember that. Cult players(of which a good chunk were tournament goons, who loooooooooooooooooooooooooove to just write and write about how they have to 'chase the meta) wouldn't shut up about how they "had" to take Skitarii to have a playable army(they didn't; they needed them to have a competitive army--there's a significant difference in concepts there).

Skitarii players, on the opposite side of the coin, didn't really feel the same way.

But it's crazy to pretend that the squeaky wheel doesn't get the grease when it comes to these kinds of things, and it's even crazier to pretend that the access that tournament goons were given with playtesting/development concepts for this edition wouldn't have played a part in bad ideas getting misrepresented as For The Greater Good.


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 Haanz wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Additionally, the lead-time for General's Handbook/Chapter Approved has been implied to be significantly lower than people believe.

I don't doubt that, given these are annual supplements and all, but we're talking about the original General's Handbook here - not the subsequent incremental ones after it became an annual thing. This was the book that brought points to everything for the first time in Age of Sigmar from scratch, as opposed to an annual update to something that already existed. I imagine it had a bit of a longer development cycle and lead time than the ones that followed.

You can imagine that if you'd like.

Considering that the points were a joke from the outset, I'd still lean towards "BAHAHAHAHA!" as a reply to thinking that they really designed Extremis with "Matched" Play in mind.

VAYASEN wrote:

 Psionara wrote:
I know this is going to sound really greedy *cue eye rolls*, but where are the biker, jump-pack, and close combat aspects of the Primaris Marines? Obviously, it goes without saying that Games Workshop has A LOT of stuff on their plate, what with having plastic Aeldari Aspect Warriors, Sisters of Battle, etc., but could it also be that the Primaris Marines have abandoned certain options in battle in favor of primarily shooting?

New Eldar plastic aspect warriors?

I asked and I thought the answer was no incoming new aspect warrior models on the horizon?

They managed to squeeze in a Pheonix Lord and Banshees in between the constant torrent of marine models - doubt that will happen again.

VAYASEN wrote:

 Psionara wrote:
I know this is going to sound really greedy *cue eye rolls*, but where are the biker, jump-pack, and close combat aspects of the Primaris Marines? Obviously, it goes without saying that Games Workshop has A LOT of stuff on their plate, what with having plastic Aeldari Aspect Warriors, Sisters of Battle, etc., but could it also be that the Primaris Marines have abandoned certain options in battle in favor of primarily shooting?

New Eldar plastic aspect warriors?

I asked and I thought the answer was no incoming new aspect warrior models on the horizon?

The short answer is: We don't know for sure. So far, we're seeing new Banshees and Incubi. If they're going to get something, I wouldn't be shocked for it to be as part of what the Chaos Marines and Sisters have gotten: a complete overhaul of the range.

Mr Morden wrote:
They managed to squeeze in a Pheonix Lord and Banshees in between the constant torrent of marine models - doubt that will happen again.

Yes, that "torrent" of 5 whole new, actual kits(Infiltrators/Incursors, Impulsor, Eliminators, Invictor, Reiver Lieutenant) and a smattering of characters brought over from Finecast to plastic(Shrike, Khan, Tigurius) and a smattering of new character models(Garadon, Agatone, Feirros).

It felt like a lot more than it actually was given that it was spread way, way, waaaaaaaaaaay too far apart but still close enough to make people resent it.

Well yeah 4 new kits and 7 HQ's is a torrent of releases. Ossiarch Bonereapers are nearly that I believe, maybe they have one more unit kit.

 Galas wrote:
Well yeah 4 new kits and 7 HQ's is a torrent of releases. Ossiarch Bonereapers are nearly that I believe, maybe they have one more unit kit.

Plus the constant FW releases for...........Marines

 Mr Morden wrote:

Plus the constant FW releases for...........Marines

Or Custodes.
Or Middle Earth.
Or Adeptus Titanicus.
Or Necromunda.


Can we stop pretending that Forge World really has relevance anymore? Since Bligh's death, they've basically been a non-entity with regards to 40k/AoS. They port some stuff over from the HH range sometimes...but otherwise, we're not really seeing anything other than Heresy or Specialist Games related releases.

regarding cult mechanius and skitarii, I remember when they came out the rumor was always that they'd eventually be merged into one codex, and their codices where seperate mostly due to the whole chapter house fiasco and them not wanting to have a massively large release drop for the army

 Kanluwen wrote:
...Can we stop pretending that Forge World really has relevance anymore? Since Bligh's death, they've basically been a non-entity with regards to 40k/AoS. They port some stuff over from the HH range sometimes...but otherwise, we're not really seeing anything other than Heresy or Specialist Games related releases.

Caladius?

I know it's a thing ported over from 30k but I see it on tournament tables more often than I see the entire Necron Codex.

The rumor was bunk, seeing as how the armies had two wildly different mechanisms for gameplay.