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I think you need to go back to Storm of Chaos for a lot of the rift. If I recall, it was supposed to be a worldwide event where the fans determined the outcome...which GW sabotaged to maintain the status quo. However, the fiction written after this advanced the story, and was highly regarded. Popular characters died. The setting changed. This is the first time I can remember the story/setting split among the fandom.

Then, a few years later, GW retconned it so the Storm of Chaos never happened. Then they introduced Storm of Magic and a bunch of other changes to the lore. Meanwhile, Black Library were adding hints of a deeper lore and overarching story that generated a lot of discussion in background circles. FW were releasing some kind of end times scenario book series (written in part by Priestley, I think), and the reception was divisive to say the least. I'm not sure if they ever released more than one book for that series.

There were also cascading rules-writing failures throughout 7th and 8th that lead to the very vocal "stop adding new things and balance it all perfectly first!!!" faction. Combine that with the infamous Gold$word$ era price hikes, and the fandom became very toxic. WHFB was in an unrecoverable spiral before they blew up the Old World, and it was entirely preventable.


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 nels1031 wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
I just saw this, funny.

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=794774804299081

The responses on twitter were funnier, though.

Please share some.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I don't know how typical I am but I bought tons of WHFB minis, that I used for 40k. I loved the fluff, got tons of the novels, but the game never interested me at all.

Squares.

Paint tons of models so they can stand in squares and die in order.

Even CHAOS marches around in squares.

Now a return of Mordheim, that would get me to open my wallet.

I also bought a ton of fantasy miniatures for conversions or merely the pleasure of having them. I have almost every BL novel printed up to 2017, and many printed later. I bought 3 editions worth of army books for the fluff. I never bought minis second hand because I always wanted all the bits. Never played a single game. I know others in a similar situation.

By the end, the combination of higher prices and fewer posing options made the newer miniatures less attractive to me, and my purchasing slowed way down. I started buying from other companies, including Mantic. I've got hundreds of Mantic miniatures that I bought for less than the cost one modern GW boxed set. Thanks to Mantic, Northstar, Warlord, Wargames Factory, and others, my internalized measure for value-per-dollar has been recalibrated to the point that I doubt I could ever justify buying a lot of GW minis again. WHFB was infamous for requiring huge blocks of pricey, samey models for very little benefit. I just can't see this working out unless GW changes something drastically.

 Alex Kolodotschko wrote:
The Perry Twins leaving in 2014 probably didn't help.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_and_Michael_Perry
They were probably a very grounding influence on the studio.
After them leaving we started to get necrosphinx, snake surfers and other highly stupid stuff

You mean highly interesting stuff. No one was buying Tomb Kings because they loved the rank and file skeletons.

kenofyork wrote:

I see you've been out of the net. And NO, Mantic is not something that comes out in your local shop without you having difficulties getting it. Secondly, they do NOT keep their games stocked, and you are hit or miss on getting add on stuff in your FLGS

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I tried to get the 3rd edition Kings of War book at my local store and they could not order it for me. I can find it on Amazon though. I have credit at the store to burn and was hoping to use it for the book.

It might be worth Checking back. My FLGS couldn’t get the book in at release, but they have four copies on the shelf now. I think Mantic’s distributors “pulled a Northstar.”