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While I know that the marines are mostly male they do have the Sisters of Battle, so does Chaos have something of a counterpart?

For SoB? Not explicitly AFAIK. Given that chaos has various worshippers there could be a female exclusive chaos cult that worships the Pantheon of Chaos, but its highly unlikely to be the same level or as widespread as the SoB, since Chaos, especially amongst mortals, are rarely as organized or well-funded, especially in the case of SoB, since they are the only faction besides marines that are supplied with power armour due to the funds of the Ecclesiarchy. Chaos would be highly unlikely to have that level of output to match that without CSM stepping in to reap the spoils of PA output of that level.

DeathKorp_Rider wrote:
While I know that the marines are mostly male they do have the Sisters of Battle, so does Chaos have something of a counterpart?

Heresy, SoB are not space marines, they just have similar equipment, training and augments are no where near a marine; some female inquisitors have marine armor, so you could have a traitor female inquisitor wearing marine armor.

 Big Mac wrote:

DeathKorp_Rider wrote:
While I know that the marines are mostly male they do have the Sisters of Battle, so does Chaos have something of a counterpart?

Heresy, SoB are not space marines, they just have similar equipment, training and augments are no where near a marine; some female inquisitors have marine armor, so you could have a traitor female inquisitor wearing marine armor.

Noted

There is a female guard prisoner I think in Storm of Iron that is able to successfully become one with a suit of corrupted power armor and slays its former owner then just meanders off into a warp portal. It’s implied that the possessed armor is semi-sentient I think and chose her cause it was tired of its old marine wearer, and I think that the possibly fresh emotions of a new host appealed to it? It’s been a while though and that’s all off the top of my head memories wise.

Mirael sabathiel.
Slaaneshy sob.

There are no female SM canonically, so there cannot be female CSM.

SOB lack the Black Carapace interface, though, so Sororitas Power Armour could be worn by a female Cultist, at least in theory.

DeathKorp_Rider wrote:
While I know that the marines are mostly male they do have the Sisters of Battle, so does Chaos have something of a counterpart?

Not really. There is one sister of battle who fell to Chaos, but you don't hear much of her.
Apparently being a bunch of religious fanatics devoted to the Emperor makes one extremely resistant to Chaotic influence.
Also the whole thing about Primarchs and hubris in being superior to your average humans and all that.

There's two/three ways off the top of my head that I can see it, so it's definitely not impossible.

Firstly, Fabius Bile either has, or could, create genetically augmented humans that might be able to wear power armour equivalents, and while they might not be "Space Marines", they might be just as functionally capable as them.

Secondly, it's possible that either due to gender-reassignment surgery or daemonic gifts (looking at Slaanesh here), a once-male Space Marine could be otherwise modified.*

Thirdly, as per Storm of Iron, a possessed suit of power armour encourages a female human servant, Larana Utorian, to kill the Space Marine who once owned the armour, and she later is given daemonic gifts allowing her to wear the armour and is even more bloodthirsty than the armour's original wearer.

*For my homebrew Chapter, I do an inverse of this - female recruits, if deemed worthy, are given gender-reassignment surgery to allow them to be compatible with Space Marine enhancements. By the end, they're functionally the same as traditional male aspirants, but for a Chapter that needs to recruit more followers to get it to full strength again, why miss out on half of their potential recruits?

They are called Marines with the mark of Slaanesh with 1 titty hanging out.

Slaanesh in almost all of Shkler incarnations, from Zarakynel to Daemonettes, is depicted as androgynous and genderfluid.

Not female.

"one titty hanging out..."

I cant post the pic of a genderfluid Slaanesh marine who may ir may not identify as female because it is nsfw

And off-topic, 'cause genderfluid isn't female even if you quote yourself.

Apparently the sisters are too zealous to be corrupted except for some very rare examples, but if some traitor forces managed to raid a convent, they could end up with a bunch of looted sororitas equipment on their hands. There's no reason some chaos ladies wouldn't make use of it then.

 Tiennos wrote:
Apparently the sisters are too zealous to be corrupted except for some very rare examples, but if some traitor forces managed to raid a convent, they could end up with a bunch of looted sororitas equipment on their hands. There's no reason some chaos ladies wouldn't make use of it then.

Makes sense. If I were a heretic, and I got my hands on some sanctified equipment, I'd certainly take my merry time in defiling it and drawing chaos symbols and...dicks I guess, on it.

I don't see why you couldn't have SoB fall to Chaos, even if it hasn't appeared officially in canon. The 40k galaxy is a pretty big place, and its not exactly open about these sorts of things so it could have been covered up, or maybe nobody in authority is aware of it.

As for SoB being too zealous and indoctrinated by the Imperial Cult meaning that they aren't susceptible to Chaos, i think the Word Bearers are the poster boys of why that isn't any protection.

Aash wrote:
I don't see why you couldn't have SoB fall to Chaos, even if it hasn't appeared officially in canon. The 40k galaxy is a pretty big place, and its not exactly open about these sorts of things so it could have been covered up, or maybe nobody in authority is aware of it.

As for SoB being too zealous and indoctrinated by the Imperial Cult meaning that they aren't susceptible to Chaos, i think the Word Bearers are the poster boys of why that isn't any protection.

Its happened in canon at least twice.

They aren't. The Word Bearers fell because their worship was publicly and shamefully dismissed and they went to Chaos because they needed something to worship. The Word Bearers fell because Lorgar was mentally messed up and Erebus/Kor Phaeron are *****.

Aash wrote:
I don't see why you couldn't have SoB fall to Chaos, even if it hasn't appeared officially in canon. The 40k galaxy is a pretty big place, and its not exactly open about these sorts of things so it could have been covered up, or maybe nobody in authority is aware of it.

As for SoB being too zealous and indoctrinated by the Imperial Cult meaning that they aren't susceptible to Chaos, i think the Word Bearers are the poster boys of why that isn't any protection.

Except the Word Bearers are not the same case.
The Word Bearers turned to Chaos because the Emperor told them to stop worshipping him as a god, which caused a crisis of faith, making them easy pickings for Chaos corruption.

The Sisters of Battle have not yet experienced an incident like that.

 Excommunicatus wrote:
There are no female SM canonically, so there cannot be female CSM.

SOB lack the Black Carapace interface, though, so Sororitas Power Armour could be worn by a female Cultist, at least in theory.

CSM are not all, or even most, marines who have been fighting since the heresy. Renegade chapters and some of the legions create new marines out of chaos cultists, and they DEFINITELY do not give a flying crap about following codex-approved standard procedures.

I am assuming that any individual that the chaos gods wish to survive the process of conversion to a heretic astartes survives it.

I'm not seeing how female chaos marines are in any way non-canonical. The already "muh in-fiction science limitation" excuse kinda falls away when you're talking about a group of heretics who are more likely to actively deny standard procedures to spite the foolish followers of the corpse-emperor and who are also using magic daemon power.

"Warpsmith! How goes the creation of our infernal warband!"

"Well, your excellency, quite well! I have successfully created this gigantic metal fleshbeast you see before me, a horrific amalgam of machine and 6,000 crabs, it shall tear the pitiful warmachines of the short-sighted false emperor asunder!!!"

"Wonderful! Bwahahahaha! And here, I present to you the survivors of our latest blood games! These supplicants shall be grafted into our daemon-twisted suits of power armor and become our fearsome warriors!"

"Oh. Um. Hmm. See, you see, giant crab robots are one thing your excellency, I can graft living flesh into a mechanical tank and ensure it still lives and breathes, but that supplicant there, well....she's got ...the wrong genitals, sir."

"the what? Warpsmith, you literally melted down that captive lapdog ultramarine into a blob of sentient jelly to encase him within our Helbrute. you did that last week, I remember the screams!"

"Yes well, that would not have worked either if the prisoner had been a woman. All our magic and technology is keyed to XY chromosomes only. Dunno why!"

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Aash wrote:
I don't see why you couldn't have SoB fall to Chaos, even if it hasn't appeared officially in canon. The 40k galaxy is a pretty big place, and its not exactly open about these sorts of things so it could have been covered up, or maybe nobody in authority is aware of it.

As for SoB being too zealous and indoctrinated by the Imperial Cult meaning that they aren't susceptible to Chaos, i think the Word Bearers are the poster boys of why that isn't any protection.

Except the Word Bearers are not the same case.
The Word Bearers turned to Chaos because the Emperor told them to stop worshipping him as a god, which caused a crisis of faith, making them easy pickings for Chaos corruption.

The Sisters of Battle have not yet experienced an incident like that.

I was giving the Word Bearers as an example of how previously pious zealots can be corrupted and fall, not suggesting that the SoB circumstances are the same as the Word Bearers, but for a Homebrew Chaos SoB Order being corrupted to Chaos is plausible.

I'm thinking I delving into Chaos Space Marines and was toying with the idea of making an all-female group, using Necromunda Escher-gang heads

the_scotsman wrote:
I'm not seeing how female chaos marines are in any way non-canonical. The already "muh in-fiction science limitation" excuse kinda falls away when you're talking about a group of heretics who are more likely to actively deny standard procedures to spite the foolish followers of the corpse-emperor and who are also using magic daemon power.

Because it's not an issue of dogma, it's an issue of it physically not working.

This is ..so far..a surprisingly pleasant and non vitriolic converse. I applaud everyone here.

I see no reason why some wacky slaanesh cultist couldn't take a bunch of woman and indoctrinate them over time to be a sisters of slaanesh army fitting them out with demonic SOB armor. I'm sure that already been done in many a saucy fan-fic out there. SOBs are ripe for such rule 34 tropes.

Also apparently there's an IW apothecary that did all kinds of sick with woman and space marines and and -REDACTED-

Honsou i think is his name? Go ask him, he'd know about that.

And just because this topic asks for it

 rayphoton wrote:
This is ..so far..a surprisingly pleasant and non vitriolic converse. I applaud everyone here.

I see no reason why some wacky slaanesh cultist couldn't take a bunch of woman and indoctrinate them over time to be a sisters of slaanesh army fitting them out with demonic SOB armor. I'm sure that already been done in many a saucy fan-fic out there. SOBs are ripe for such rule 34 tropes.

Also apparently there's an IW apothecary that did all kinds of sick with woman and space marines and and -REDACTED-

Honsou i think is his name? Go ask him, he'd know about that.

And just because this topic asks for it

I think people are just burnt out as it comes up every other month

Honestly though Chaos version of sisters could happen. i honestly dont see why not as they are both basically cults.

If you really want to do female CSM. super strong amazonian woman worshiping their "fertility" god in possessed power armor from a space hulk.

its in the realm of possibility even if not cannon.

DeathKorp_Rider wrote:
I'm thinking I delving into Chaos Space Marines and was toying with the idea of making an all-female group, using Necromunda Escher-gang heads

Go for it! Don't let anyone stop you.

ValentineGames wrote:Don't worry you've got 795 made up genders to choose from

the_scotsman wrote:

 Excommunicatus wrote:
There are no female SM canonically, so there cannot be female CSM.

SOB lack the Black Carapace interface, though, so Sororitas Power Armour could be worn by a female Cultist, at least in theory.

CSM are not all, or even most, marines who have been fighting since the heresy. Renegade chapters and some of the legions create new marines out of chaos cultists, and they DEFINITELY do not give a flying crap about following codex-approved standard procedures.

I am assuming that any individual that the chaos gods wish to survive the process of conversion to a heretic astartes survives it.

I'm not seeing how female chaos marines are in any way non-canonical. The already "muh in-fiction science limitation" excuse kinda falls away when you're talking about a group of heretics who are more likely to actively deny standard procedures to spite the foolish followers of the corpse-emperor and who are also using magic daemon power.

"Warpsmith! How goes the creation of our infernal warband!"

"Well, your excellency, quite well! I have successfully created this gigantic metal fleshbeast you see before me, a horrific amalgam of machine and 6,000 crabs, it shall tear the pitiful warmachines of the short-sighted false emperor asunder!!!"

"Wonderful! Bwahahahaha! And here, I present to you the survivors of our latest blood games! These supplicants shall be grafted into our daemon-twisted suits of power armor and become our fearsome warriors!"

"Oh. Um. Hmm. See, you see, giant crab robots are one thing your excellency, I can graft living flesh into a mechanical tank and ensure it still lives and breathes, but that supplicant there, well....she's got ...the wrong genitals, sir."

"the what? Warpsmith, you literally melted down that captive lapdog ultramarine into a blob of sentient jelly to encase him within our Helbrute. you did that last week, I remember the screams!"

"Yes well, that would not have worked either if the prisoner had been a woman. All our magic and technology is keyed to XY chromosomes only. Dunno why!"

I'm not in any way shape or form arguing in favour of GW's blatant pandering to its most toxic fanbase, but the fact remains that female SM simply do not exist in the canon and by extension neither do female CSM.

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:


Firstly, Fabius Bile either has, or could, create genetically augmented humans that might be able to wear power armour equivalents, and while they might not be "Space Marines", they might be just as functionally capable as them.

His New Men are far from Marines. Although a number of them can easily take down a SM (which is what they are bred for. They are split into hunt teams known as "Gland Hounds") however in a one on one fight they cannot take them out, as they are not soldiers.

However.... in the same series of novels we are introduced to a character by the name of Savona. She is a SM in all but a name. She is a daemonically/genetically enhanced human wearing a sort of beetle-like carapace power armour that is more or less the same as regular PA. She is currently in command of the Twelfth Millennial of the EC and would probably easily pass for a "Chaos Marine" at first glance.

SOB are not space marines. They are normal humans who use human sized power armor. Space Marines use power armor that is specifically designed for their extreme biology, but power armor for normal humans exists for those who can afford it. The Ecclesiarchy is one of those groups that can definitely afford it. As are Inquisitors and wealthy private citizens with connections.

 Excommunicatus wrote:
There are no female SM canonically, so there cannot be female CSM.

Well... Chaos could fix that with a little warp magic. Particularly if you're involving Slannesh, which you are if the sex of the marine is relevant to the plot.

 Grey Templar wrote:
SOB are not space marines. They are normal humans who use human sized power armor. Space Marines use power armor that is specifically designed for their extreme biology, but power armor for normal humans exists for those who can afford it. The Ecclesiarchy is one of those groups that can definitely afford it. As are Inquisitors and wealthy private citizens with connections.

Woah woah woah there, fella! You better go check the Inquisition thread in News&Rumours! Someone made an extremely good case as to why Inquisitors just can’t go and get power armor!

No, however you could argue that slaanesh, or tzeentch could change the sex of a marine with warp magic. Seems the kind of thing slaanesh dudes would be into.. Although gw tends to steer clear of sex and sexuality in its fiction.