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So,

Just got through the Omnibus Sisters book, and wow. I loved it. I also hated it, because there is a huuuuuge difference between the books and the game (no duh!).

1. Had no idea that a SoB was essentially as strong if not stronger than Daemons and Necron Lords.
2. Had no idea a Chainsword could basically beat anything in a game of Rock/Paper/Your face. I am pretty sure a Warscythe would go right thru one.
3. So, can a sister become corrupted, and they aren't "incorruptable" or are we just not gonna go there.....*BLAM*
4. Repentias.....
5. There is no way, NO WAY, a Battle Sister took down a Callidus Assassin. Calling BS. Throwing the flag. Half the distance to the goal, repeat the down.
6. I have a hard time understanding who's side the AD-Mech is on at all times? Do the books want us to never trust them? Even Comics make them out to be creepy.
7. And finally, Necrons aren't that good.

Fluff is not crunch. Never has, never will.

1. Depends which one.
2. Everything beats everything in the lore sometimes. That part is not great.
3. Sisters can become corrupted. The mystery is how often it happens.
4. ?
5. It's been a while since I read Sister novels so I don't remember how that went down.
6. The Admech is always on the side of the Admech.
7. I find it best to take everything post oldcrons and ignore it.

pm713 wrote:
1. Depends which one.
2. Everything beats everything in the lore sometimes. That part is not great.
3. Sisters can become corrupted. The mystery is how often it happens.
4. ?
5. It's been a while since I read Sister novels so I don't remember how that went down.
6. The Admech is always on the side of the Admech.
7. I find it best to take everything post oldcrons and ignore it.

It was Miriya, just an average Sister. Not even a Celestian at that point.
Yeah, I get that. But if you waste like 5-10 pages showing how this thing cuts through LITERALLY ANYTHING.....
Ok, thanks, I just didn't know.
Talking about how the Repentias in the book look NOTHING like the ones in the new release. Book:Hoods, tattered robes, mostly naked, big sword. Release: Female versions of Bane with a sword.
Miriya got into a gunfight with one, in a Library, then finished it with her chain sword, then ducked under a table when it "popped". Literally one page. Didn't break a sweat.
So Admech is not on the side of the BigE?
Got it!

You’re really gonna rage about a lack of pinup Repentias?

Alrighty then.

Fluff in the new Codex says how they're trained to perfection, easily able to best a squad of Guardsmen in strength and skill and faith.

Thought 'that sounds pretty badarse', then I compared the stat lines.

Swallow's Sisters books are an abomination.

Hammer & Anvil is amongst the worst portrayal of Necrons ever.

The Canoness takes a Tacyon Arrow to the chest and survives...
The Obsidian Moon is destroyed by a krak grenade...

craggy wrote:
Fluff in the new Codex says how they're trained to perfection, easily able to best a squad of Guardsmen in strength and skill and faith.

Thought 'that sounds pretty badarse', then I compared the stat lines.

this is the problem with using a D6 method, if say you had a hypothetical game based around percentile dice sisters would be better then guardsmen.

that said when reading novels for 40k, remember that the characters can roll a 6 (or a 1) on demand. the stories are not about "typical or average"

For a good depiction of Necrons you should read the last book in the Word Bearers trilogy. A Necron Lord can take a Dark Apostle and his Terninator champ in a 2v1 with ease. Though this was before the Necron overhaul so Lords at the time are what Overlords are now. Monoliths are nearly indestructible and warscythes really do cut through anything, including termimator armour

Also, I really dont like the idea that Sisters are some kind of female space marine equivalent. Theyre regular people. Just well trained and in power armour. People talk about them like they are Custodes or something and I just dont get it

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:

1. Had no idea that a SoB was essentially as strong if not stronger than Daemons and Necron Lords.

The plot decides how strong they need to be, but the only duel between a Necron Lord and a Canoness ends with the Canoness being dispatched with relative ease by the Necron Lord who is killed when he is the only Necron left on the battlefield and is torn to shred by hordes of Sisters (thouh he does bring some with him in death). A Sister can fight enemy heroes, but rarelly wins unless miraculous interventions are at play.

3. So, can a sister become corrupted, and they aren't "incorruptable" or are we just not gonna go there.....*BLAM*

Besides Grey Knights and Custodians, Sisters of Battle are supposed to be the most loyal and Chaos resistent Imperial subfaction. They can be corrupted, but it's supposed to be so rare as almost unknown.

4. Repentias.....

The Sisters were always described as a martyr cult and they were part of their roaster since 2003.

5. There is no way, NO WAY, a Battle Sister took down a Callidus Assassin. Calling BS. Throwing the flag. Half the distance to the goal, repeat the down.

If you are refering to the fight between Myria and the assassin, I don't think it was ever described as a Callidus Assassin. It was just a "regular" assassin, something more akin to a deathcult assassin.

6. I have a hard time understanding who's side the AD-Mech is on at all times? Do the books want us to never trust them? Even Comics make them out to be creepy.

They are supposed to be donkey-caves with their own agenda and crippling disregard for human lives. They are all designated to be the "villainous friends" subfaction of the Imperium, a role they often share with the inquisition.

7. And finally, Necrons aren't that good.

The Necrons were indeed not shinning very brightly in Hammer and Anvil except maybe their lord for its implacability and the scarabs who are basically horrible and terrifying.

 Lord Damocles wrote:
Swallow's Sisters books are an abomination.

Hammer & Anvil is amongst the worst portrayal of Necrons ever.

The Canoness takes a Tacyon Arrow to the chest and survives...
The Obsidian Moon is destroyed by a krak grenade...

I really liked them myself.

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
5. There is no way, NO WAY, a Battle Sister took down a Callidus Assassin. Calling BS. Throwing the flag. Half the distance to the goal, repeat the down.

Assassins have had some very poor showings at times. In one of their more recent outings the tau managed to out-assassin three of the four, including beating a Callidus on pure reactions.

I don't see why a Callidus couldn't be killed by Sisters honestly. Same with Tau and most Assassin versions.

the fact is, in reality even the best warrior can be brought down by a total rookie just through plain bad luck.

123ply wrote:
For a good depiction of Necrons you should read the last book in the Word Bearers trilogy. A Necron Lord can take a Dark Apostle and his Terninator champ in a 2v1 with ease. Though this was before the Necron overhaul so Lords at the time are what Overlords are now.

The new necron elites made a really good showing of themselves in "the world engine". I can highly recommend it.

 Andersp90 wrote:

123ply wrote:
For a good depiction of Necrons you should read the last book in the Word Bearers trilogy. A Necron Lord can take a Dark Apostle and his Terninator champ in a 2v1 with ease. Though this was before the Necron overhaul so Lords at the time are what Overlords are now.

The new necron elites made a really good showing of themselves in "the world engine". I can highly recommend it.

Did they almost killed a Space Marine? :p

 Andersp90 wrote:
The new necron elites made a really good showing of themselves in "the world engine". I can highly recommend it.

Except for forgetting that they could fly for most of the fight...

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 Andersp90 wrote:
The new necron elites made a really good showing of themselves in "the world engine". I can highly recommend it.

Except for forgetting that they could fly for most of the fight...

Not sure what you are getting at? Do you want the praetorians to fly around while in CC?

BrianDavion wrote:
this is the problem with using a D6 method, if say you had a hypothetical game based around percentile dice sisters would be better then guardsmen.

that said when reading novels for 40k, remember that the characters can roll a 6 (or a 1) on demand. the stories are not about "typical or average"

Aye, that is a good point. If the writer needs a dramatic fail or success there will be one. Depending on the writer it will be more or less believable. GW bolter porn is generally on the lower side of believable...

So why shouldn't the SoB get their share of being OP? Space Marines in their own novels are at times supersonic tanks, described as ridiculously huge (for no good reason) and oneshotting all kinds of opponents with their basic bolters or a power sword. Once the novel is about the heroic Imperial Guard the humble guardsman takes out Dreadnoughts with an overloaded lasgun one day and strangles a Lictor with his bootlaces the next. Eldar move like greased lightning, dodging lasgun fire. Etc etc.

Sterling191 wrote:
You’re really gonna rage about a lack of pinup Repentias?

Alrighty then.

I mean the book is more or less hoods, sack cloth and signs of self mutilation. I was thinking about getting a couple hooded heads to get them a bit more on that point, I'm not really sure what else folks read into those books.

 Lord Damocles wrote:
Swallow's Sisters books are an abomination.

Hammer & Anvil is amongst the worst portrayal of Necrons ever.

The Canoness takes a Tacyon Arrow to the chest and survives...
The Obsidian Moon is destroyed by a krak grenade...

I feel like I should point at every space marine book ever, or for that matter the rules of the game.

The books are fine, good even in my opinion, just don't sit there and try to impose realism on them. It doesn't belong there, otherwise we have to talk about how society fell to the point that little passion play ever happened, let alone became tradition.

And on the D6 point, remember, they get miracle dice now, could be she decided to take a 6 out of her pool.

 Lord Damocles wrote:
Swallow's Sisters books are an abomination.

Hammer & Anvil is amongst the worst portrayal of Necrons ever.

The Canoness takes a Tacyon Arrow to the chest and survives...
The Obsidian Moon is destroyed by a krak grenade...

I remember reading that and was like, no way. No way someone tanks that hit. I don't care how big your rosary is.

I get that books are written so the heroes can be heroic, and appear mighty, but as someone else said, there aren't Space Marines, hell they aren't even Scouts. They are essentially well trained guardsmen with better armor and weapons.

As to the what type of assassin it was, you are correct, it never mentions it. But I was looking through art for the book and one of them had a Cally in the background, it used a dart pistol and a power sword, and I thought the explosion was a dead giveaway. RAI v RAW?

As to me wanting Pinup repentias, I never even implied that. I think you could have them be completely armored like now, and still give them a hood and a robe. I wasn't arguing for sexy, I was arguing to give them back the Red cloth. Now they are just boring.

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
Swallow's Sisters books are an abomination.

Hammer & Anvil is amongst the worst portrayal of Necrons ever.

The Canoness takes a Tacyon Arrow to the chest and survives...
The Obsidian Moon is destroyed by a krak grenade...

I remember reading that and was like, no way. No way someone tanks that hit. I don't care how big your rosary is.

I get that books are written so the heroes can be heroic, and appear mighty, but as someone else said, there aren't Space Marines, hell they aren't even Scouts. They are essentially well trained guardsmen with better armor and weapons.

As to the what type of assassin it was, you are correct, it never mentions it. But I was looking through art for the book and one of them had a Cally in the background, it used a dart pistol and a power sword, and I thought the explosion was a dead giveaway. RAI v RAW?

As to me wanting Pinup repentias, I never even implied that. I think you could have them be completely armored like now, and still give them a hood and a robe. I wasn't arguing for sexy, I was arguing to give them back the Red cloth. Now they are just boring.

They have canonical miracles that go so far as reviving the dead and you can't take surviving a hit from a magic science arrow?

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
I get that books are written so the heroes can be heroic, and appear mighty, but as someone else said, there aren't Space Marines, hell they aren't even Scouts. They are essentially well trained guardsmen with better armor and weapons.

Actually, unless there are changes in that domain in the new codex, Sisters of Battle are as well trained as Space Marines if not even better trained. A Space Marine is recruited at around age 13 from an otherwise civilian and often primitive civilisation and see its first combat as a Scout around the age of 16 before becoming a full feldge Space Marine two or three years later. A Sister is trained in a brutal military academy from age 6 to 16 before being sent to a convent for a few more years where she will train even harder before seeing her first combat. Sisters are human in the sense that they are genetically human, but have about as much humanity as a completely brainwashed overtrained religious fanatic of a war god can have (which is very little). Sisters were always described as capable of handling their own even against Space Marines.

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:

As to me wanting Pinup repentias, I never even implied that. I think you could have them be completely armored like now, and still give them a hood and a robe. I wasn't arguing for sexy, I was arguing to give them back the Red cloth. Now they are just boring.

You mean the hoods and cloth that the models literally come with? That you as a hobbyist can literally paint however you damn well want, including *GASP* in red?

For feths sake, at least pretend to look at model you're bitching about before doing said bitching.

Sterling191 wrote:
Fluff is not crunch. Never has, never will.

It's nice if the latter evokes the former, and the former has a tendency to manage expectations for the latter.

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
No way someone tanks that hit. I don't care how big your rosary is.

Rosarium?
That's pretty different from a rosary.

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
I get that books are written so the heroes can be heroic, and appear mighty, but as someone else said, there aren't Space Marines, hell they aren't even Scouts. They are essentially well trained guardsmen with better armor and weapons.

So much better than scouts, given they have better equipment and better training.

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
But I was looking through art for the book and one of them had a Cally in the background, it used a dart pistol and a power sword, and I thought the explosion was a dead giveaway.

Eversor. Not Callidus. Callidus have Neural Shredder and Phase blade, and don't explode when they die.

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
I think you could have them be completely armored like now, and still give them a hood and a robe.

They aren't armored now.

Sterling191 wrote:

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:

As to me wanting Pinup repentias, I never even implied that. I think you could have them be completely armored like now, and still give them a hood and a robe. I wasn't arguing for sexy, I was arguing to give them back the Red cloth. Now they are just boring.

You mean the hoods and cloth that the models literally come with? That you as a hobbyist can literally paint however you damn well want, including *GASP* in red?

For feths sake, at least pretend to look at model you're bitching about before doing said bitching.

Except most of the new models don't -

beast_gts wrote:
Except most of the new models don't -

Spoiler:

More than half of them do on that picture, and I'm betting there are enough head to give it to all of them. GW apparently went all in on giving head options with Sisters.

pm713 wrote:

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
Swallow's Sisters books are an abomination.

Hammer & Anvil is amongst the worst portrayal of Necrons ever.

The Canoness takes a Tacyon Arrow to the chest and survives...
The Obsidian Moon is destroyed by a krak grenade...

I remember reading that and was like, no way. No way someone tanks that hit. I don't care how big your rosary is.

I get that books are written so the heroes can be heroic, and appear mighty, but as someone else said, there aren't Space Marines, hell they aren't even Scouts. They are essentially well trained guardsmen with better armor and weapons.

As to the what type of assassin it was, you are correct, it never mentions it. But I was looking through art for the book and one of them had a Cally in the background, it used a dart pistol and a power sword, and I thought the explosion was a dead giveaway. RAI v RAW?

As to me wanting Pinup repentias, I never even implied that. I think you could have them be completely armored like now, and still give them a hood and a robe. I wasn't arguing for sexy, I was arguing to give them back the Red cloth. Now they are just boring.

They have canonical miracles that go so far as reviving the dead and you can't take surviving a hit from a magic science arrow?

I'm glad I'm not the only person thinking this. Any army that's given a 6++ "IT'S A MIRCLE!" save can be justified surviving anything.

remember, 6's on demand

pm713 wrote:

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
Swallow's Sisters books are an abomination.

Hammer & Anvil is amongst the worst portrayal of Necrons ever.

The Canoness takes a Tacyon Arrow to the chest and survives...
The Obsidian Moon is destroyed by a krak grenade...

I remember reading that and was like, no way. No way someone tanks that hit. I don't care how big your rosary is.

I get that books are written so the heroes can be heroic, and appear mighty, but as someone else said, there aren't Space Marines, hell they aren't even Scouts. They are essentially well trained guardsmen with better armor and weapons.

As to the what type of assassin it was, you are correct, it never mentions it. But I was looking through art for the book and one of them had a Cally in the background, it used a dart pistol and a power sword, and I thought the explosion was a dead giveaway. RAI v RAW?

As to me wanting Pinup repentias, I never even implied that. I think you could have them be completely armored like now, and still give them a hood and a robe. I wasn't arguing for sexy, I was arguing to give them back the Red cloth. Now they are just boring.

They have canonical miracles that go so far as reviving the dead and you can't take surviving a hit from a magic science arrow?

So in your book it can never get too silly because.. miracels?