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Today I was browsing the GW store and was really surprised to find that only the cultists from the Dark Vengeance box got a solo release. I was pretty sure that the helbrute, chaos lord and chosen were all going to get a release when the new plastic chaos came out, but nothing.

So...

What do you think are the chances that GW brings out the Dark Vengeance chaos models stand alone?

Pretty much none now unfortunately. The Space Marines are an in between scale of old and new, the Helbrute is monopose, and without recutting the sprue or releasing the Space Marines, you can’t get all of the cultists.

phillv85 wrote:
Pretty much none now unfortunately. The Space Marines are an in between scale of old and new, the Helbrute is monopose, and without recutting the sprue or releasing the Space Marines, you can’t get all of the cultists.

Sigh.. Thanks phillv85

I guess to ebay for me.

Not the first time starter box mini's never saw a proper release. Assault on Black Reach ork copters never saw the light of day either.

Strange that the Chosen never saw a release, as they were some of the best models they released during that time.

It is annoying, since that was the only way to get cultists with support weapons.

The Blackstone Fortress cultists help in that regard now they've had a standalone release.

It's maddening that a load of really good cultist models exist, but aren't available to buy.

I think the chosen and the chaos lord are really big losses too.

The Helbrute model was updated a little while after Dark Vengeance, I thought it was meant to be a multi-pose version of the initial DV model with all the different weapon options...

The cultist leaders and special weapons options would be nice to have available. And I'd be all over a multi-pose box of similar Chosen with some decent weapons.

if only there were some way to reorganise the CAD files for the models onto a different sprue?

The Cultists are one thing, because yeah, it's a pain that the only ones available are the 5 (which look suspiciously similar to those on the DV sprues) in the cheapy box, but BSF is helpful in that regard, and there are ample opportunities to do some conversions (just don't tell GW!*) and the Helbrute, well, the DV one is nice, but they do sell a full kit.

The big stand-out for the DV starter is the Chosen. See, I have an entry in my Codex for CSM Chosen, but there doesn't appear to be a kit for them. Why aren't they Legends? Or y'know, GW could give us a kit. But we all know it's GW's choice to not keep old models supported by ongoing updated rules...so how are Chosen still in the Codex? I'm pretty sure we could use the explanations of their logic to explode robots' heads if we ever have to in a Terminator Judgement Day type scenario.




*depending what day of the week it is


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 NurglesR0T wrote:
Assault on Black Reach ork copters never saw the light of day either.

And Ork players could reeeaaallly use them as a better alternative to the still currently available horrible model.

craggy wrote:
if only there were some way to reorganise the CAD files for the models onto a different sprue?

I think that can be done easily enough, the problem is that you then need to make a mould for the new sprue(s). That's the really expensive bit.

It's rather a shame that they didn't think ahead to selling the starter box units separately, and laid out the sprues accordingly.

To be frank, most of the chosen parts are in the new Chaos Space Marine kit. There's just no where near enough parts in one kit to build a full squad of chosen. There are some alterations to allow for arm swaps, but beyond that they're pretty close.

YeOldSaltPotato wrote:
To be frank, most of the chosen parts are in the new Chaos Space Marine kit. There's just no where near enough parts in one kit to build a full squad of chosen. There are some alterations to allow for arm swaps, but beyond that they're pretty close.

I'd have to look at the sprue but I bet even out of the basic kit you could build a halfway decent squad of Chosen "in a typical GW configuration" (in other words a riot of differant options without a unifiying idea leading to an entirely in effective squad)

Crispy78 wrote:

craggy wrote:
if only there were some way to reorganise the CAD files for the models onto a different sprue?

I think that can be done easily enough, the problem is that you then need to make a mould for the new sprue(s). That's the really expensive bit.

It's rather a shame that they didn't think ahead to selling the starter box units separately, and laid out the sprues accordingly.

At least it looks like they've learned their lesson, as we're seeing with the AOS and Shadowspear Start Collecting! sets. I wouldn't be too surprised if the Dark Imperium Death Guard kits got released as a Start Collecting! at some point if they release a new Starter box for the game. Maybe the Easy To Build Primaris as well. They've not had a huge reason to do either with those models being easily accessible across a lot of sources but if they rejig their starting setup (presumably swapping one of the factions...and I bet we can all guess which one) the ETB DG would be prime candidates for a SC! set.

I actually went back and bought a pre-owned (but unused) Dark Vengeance set earlier this year. Really great models, and probably still the easiest way to get a bunch of different Cultists at the time. The Chosen are nice, but obviously it'd be nice to be able to choose a loadout. When they came out they were pretty different from the current CSM troops, but now most of the line has taken inspiration from the designs, so they don't really stand out. A new kit would be a great way to push them a little further and make them stand out again.

YeOldSaltPotato wrote:
To be frank, most of the chosen parts are in the new Chaos Space Marine kit. There's just no where near enough parts in one kit to build a full squad of chosen. There are some alterations to allow for arm swaps, but beyond that they're pretty close.

I used mark 3 and 4 kits for chosen. They give you holstered chainswords/combat blades so you just need to source your choice of special weapons. Fw sells a combi weapons sprue with 5 of each option. Top off with your choice of legion shoulder pads and heads.

BrianDavion wrote:

YeOldSaltPotato wrote:
To be frank, most of the chosen parts are in the new Chaos Space Marine kit. There's just no where near enough parts in one kit to build a full squad of chosen. There are some alterations to allow for arm swaps, but beyond that they're pretty close.

I'd have to look at the sprue but I bet even out of the basic kit you could build a halfway decent squad of Chosen "in a typical GW configuration" (in other words a riot of differant options without a unifiying idea leading to an entirely in effective squad)

That'd just be an incorrectly built CSM squad by GW logic though. Neither the box, nor the webstore say they're a Chosen kit. No more official than if I say my Space Marine Bike Squad is actually 3 Space Marine Captains On Bike. Its not a kit they sell. It should have a kit or it should be Legends. Conversions are The Devil!* Ideally, they'd release a Chosen kit with all the possible options in enough supply and they'd give us money to take it off their hands. Realistically, a box with 5 blinged out CSM, akin to the Vanguard or Sternguard Vets squads, would be a nice way to go. Maybe chuck in a bunch of chain-axes and combi-bolters to encourage sales for anyone wanting CSM Terminators too?

*Roll a D6. If you roll a 1, instead of Conversions being The Devil! We'll encourage you to kitbash a character model for your army.

Very small, unfortunately. The Dark Angel characters are not really useful outside of that one sub-faction, are inbetween scales. The Chaos characters are in between scales and don't have a unique loadout.

The Termies, Bikers, and Tacs are all covered in DA icons so not useful for other armies and already have multipart kits. Same with the Helbrute and arguably the Chosen.

Look at previous sets like Assault on Black Reach, the Captain and Warboss never released as standalones, and arguably, the unique models of Starter Sets are one of the selling points. Ie, Dark Imperium is the only source of a Primaris Captain or Ancient model without conversion.

craggy wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

YeOldSaltPotato wrote:
To be frank, most of the chosen parts are in the new Chaos Space Marine kit. There's just no where near enough parts in one kit to build a full squad of chosen. There are some alterations to allow for arm swaps, but beyond that they're pretty close.

I'd have to look at the sprue but I bet even out of the basic kit you could build a halfway decent squad of Chosen "in a typical GW configuration" (in other words a riot of differant options without a unifiying idea leading to an entirely in effective squad)

That'd just be an incorrectly built CSM squad by GW logic though. Neither the box, nor the webstore say they're a Chosen kit. No more official than if I say my Space Marine Bike Squad is actually 3 Space Marine Captains On Bike. Its not a kit they sell. It should have a kit or it should be Legends. Conversions are The Devil!* Ideally, they'd release a Chosen kit with all the possible options in enough supply and they'd give us money to take it off their hands. Realistically, a box with 5 blinged out CSM, akin to the Vanguard or Sternguard Vets squads, would be a nice way to go. Maybe chuck in a bunch of chain-axes and combi-bolters to encourage sales for anyone wanting CSM Terminators too?

*Roll a D6. If you roll a 1, instead of Conversions being The Devil! We'll encourage you to kitbash a character model for your army.

GW has been pretty consistant about using the standard trooper box to build your veterns. guard do it, chaos does it, sisters are going to do it, Space Marines are the odd exception actually having dedicated vetern kits.

 ceorron wrote:
I think the chosen and the chaos lord are really big losses too.

I really like that chaos lord model, and despise most of the newer CSM HQ models. The hammer lord, sorcerer, dark apostle, MoE and MoP mostly look like what chaos marines are in a bad primaris marines novel where the 'bad guys' are just Saturday morning cartoon villains. Maybe not the chaos lord so much, but the fixed head with the topknot is, for me, just a Black Legion character. I prefer the older (not going back far) chaos characters that had more of a Darth Vader vibe.

The Aspiring Champion model was originally Vrosh Tattersoul. But beyond that, at least the old Kranon model should get re-released, as he looks awesome. Honestly, I kind of prefer the DV models to the new CSM models, especially since the new models have those helments with those stupid pointy nubs on them.

It's always surprised me how little GW seems to think of chaos cultist, you would have thought they would have gotten a proper plastic kit at this point.

Actually, you do have some options regarding cultists, two from blackstone fortress. One released stand alone. Actually it would be better if the other was released stand alone.



https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Blackstone-Fortress-Cultists-of-The-Abyss-2019

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
The Aspiring Champion model was originally Vrosh Tattersoul. But beyond that, at least the old Kranon model should get re-released, as he looks awesome. Honestly, I kind of prefer the DV models to the new CSM models, especially since the new models have those helments with those stupid pointy nubs on them.

That model however was later added to Dark Vengeance after its release - I believe when 6th transitioned to 7th ed, they updated the starter box with an additional model?

I have a bunch of unopened 10-man units of both types of cultists from Dark Vengeance that I bought in bulk a long time ago.

I am willing to sell some of them if anyone is seriously interested.

 Deadshot wrote:

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
The Aspiring Champion model was originally Vrosh Tattersoul. But beyond that, at least the old Kranon model should get re-released, as he looks awesome. Honestly, I kind of prefer the DV models to the new CSM models, especially since the new models have those helments with those stupid pointy nubs on them.

That model however was later added to Dark Vengeance after its release - I believe when 6th transitioned to 7th ed, they updated the starter box with an additional model?

That’s what the sticker on the front of my 7th edition DV box says