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Hi guys, I am new to AOS but have played 40k since 3rd edition. I decided to give this system a try roughly about a month ago. Since then I have made several purchases from Skaven to Nighthaunt, then Ironjawz. Now, I have questioned my recent decision of starting an Ironjawz army and thought about getting FyreSlayers or Idoneth Deepkin.

After speaking to people and trying to figure out my style of play (using 40k as a reference), they all said that Ironjawz would be my best bet!!! I now have 1000 points and I am completely uninspired to play them. So damn sad!!!

I watch more videos and try to put together a spreadsheet with all of the pros and cons of each faction that catches my attention. Sounds weird but just spending money on models that I don’t like anymore, is just no longer an option.

Strange thing happened while crying (not really) over my inability to be happy with a army, I decided to go back to the Grand Alliance Destruction. Then it happened!! I really looked at Gloomspite. Not just glanced at them, or laughed, telling myself “Goblins !!!!!!!! No way”. They seemed fun; their models look great and their color scheme would not be an issue. Things started to finally click.

So here I am today, with Skragrott The Loonking, 20 stabbers, and their Book! I believe I have made the right decision but just wanted to see if anyone has been here before, what you have done to solve this bad dilemma.

Best Regards,

GloomKing

There's no shame in having had a play around with different armies to see what you like not just in models and visual designs or lore/ but also how they perform for you on the tabletop.

It's normal, natural and, whilst you might argue that it results in bad purchases, those purchases weren't a waste, they were right for you at a different point in time; you have just changed a bit or come to realisations about what you're after that you were, unaware of at the time.


So yep its normal what you've gone through. Not everyone will have done it because often as not money and time constrain how far down that rabbit hole people can go - heck some have gone further than you and might have multiple 2K armies that they've bought, built, painted and rapidly fallen out of love for .



As for resolving it that's really a hard one to say. I would say that if you find that the visual side of models is very appealing across a very broad range of armies; then you want to find yourself some targets to set to meet. Eg Don't start a new army until you've properly finished 2K points of the army you are currently working on - and STICK to it.

This is about basically setting targets and goals that are medium to long term which can help overcome short term fleeting interests. It can help you focus and gain a sense of achievement and reward at the same time; whilst also meaning that you're left with good functional armies you can play with - rather than a mountain of plastic from dozens of different forces all in different states and quantities which just generates a mess (both visually and mentally). It also means that you're rewarding yourself - that 2K or 3K or whatever force is FINISHED - that's your reward to yourself.



Of course there are limits, you have already hit one in coming to hate orruks. So you've got to be sensible with such targets and goals. It's one thing to work through a tough spot where you'd "ooh I'd really like to work on something else" and just not giving in; to when its a painful experience that you loath to work on models.




Another way that can help is capping your monthly/weekly/bimonthly/whatever spending amount. This makes you really think about what you're spending money on and is more likely to help you reinforce your medium and long term objectives. If you're always giving into short term purchases and your finances allow you too, then again you can run the risk of waking up sitting on that mountain of unusable and unbuilt plastic that you've got no single force out of.

Selling things can help too, both in terms of getting rid of stuf you don't use/want and in freeing up a bit of hobby money. Again be careful, the trap here is that you end up buying and selling really fast and ending up selling off things that you then want back again in a week or two. Ergo you're basically throwing money away on lots of short term interests.

 Overread wrote:
There's no shame in having had a play around with different armies to see what you like not just in models and visual designs or lore/ but also how they perform for you on the tabletop.

It's normal, natural and, whilst you might argue that it results in bad purchases, those purchases weren't a waste, they were right for you at a different point in time; you have just changed a bit or come to realisations about what you're after that you were, unaware of at the time.


So yep its normal what you've gone through. Not everyone will have done it because often as not money and time constrain how far down that rabbit hole people can go - heck some have gone further than you and might have multiple 2K armies that they've bought, built, painted and rapidly fallen out of love for .



As for resolving it that's really a hard one to say. I would say that if you find that the visual side of models is very appealing across a very broad range of armies; then you want to find yourself some targets to set to meet. Eg Don't start a new army until you've properly finished 2K points of the army you are currently working on - and STICK to it.

This is about basically setting targets and goals that are medium to long term which can help overcome short term fleeting interests. It can help you focus and gain a sense of achievement and reward at the same time; whilst also meaning that you're left with good functional armies you can play with - rather than a mountain of plastic from dozens of different forces all in different states and quantities which just generates a mess (both visually and mentally). It also means that you're rewarding yourself - that 2K or 3K or whatever force is FINISHED - that's your reward to yourself.



Of course there are limits, you have already hit one in coming to hate orruks. So you've got to be sensible with such targets and goals. It's one thing to work through a tough spot where you'd "ooh I'd really like to work on something else" and just not giving in; to when its a painful experience that you loath to work on models.




Another way that can help is capping your monthly/weekly/bimonthly/whatever spending amount. This makes you really think about what you're spending money on and is more likely to help you reinforce your medium and long term objectives. If you're always giving into short term purchases and your finances allow you too, then again you can run the risk of waking up sitting on that mountain of unusable and unbuilt plastic that you've got no single force out of.

Selling things can help too, both in terms of getting rid of stuf you don't use/want and in freeing up a bit of hobby money. Again be careful, the trap here is that you end up buying and selling really fast and ending up selling off things that you then want back again in a week or two. Ergo you're basically throwing money away on lots of short term interests.

Very well said and beyond useful. What bothers me, is i have made purchased based on looks not play or rules. You would think that is a big reason for a person but for me, it was then it wasn't. This is what i struggle with. I am making decisions that I made in the first place then deciding not to move forward before one piece of model hits the table.

All good, i hope my new choice sticks and I will follow your advice as i can see how that would limit my need to make these decisions.

Thanks again,

Gloom

Personally I'm very much a "looks first" kind of person as well - I reason it that I'm going to spend hours building and more before the models even hit the table.

Furthermore ones desires on the tabletop do shift around. You also don't really know what those desires are until you start playign so the best you can do is learn to play the army you collect well and enjoy the models as models. It might be that you get part way and decide that you still love the models, but that you'd rather a really powerful ranged army.

It's very normal that ones early purchases are more dictated by visuals and latter purchases MIGHT be dictated more by playstyle. Since by a latter stage you've not only had more experience with your army, but a better grasp of the games mechanics to predict how other armies will play based on their stats and also seen those armies in play as well.

Honestly, this sounds entirely normal to me as a gamer/collector lol.
I can wander into GW to grab a few paints and end up leaving with the start of a new army.

Sometimes it can be a nightmare to find an army you enjoy painting and playing as most are have point but not the other.

I’ve got a gloomspite army and I love them.
The models are some of the best in the AoS range to me and their rules are solid enough to be balanced.


I’ve found that things like escalation leagues or groups can really help building an army.
I now tend to set out 1k, 1.5k and 2k lists to work towards.
I then ban myself from buying anything until each part is complete.

 Overread wrote:
Personally I'm very much a "looks first" kind of person as well - I reason it that I'm going to spend hours building and more before the models even hit the table.

Furthermore ones desires on the tabletop do shift around. You also don't really know what those desires are until you start playign so the best you can do is learn to play the army you collect well and enjoy the models as models. It might be that you get part way and decide that you still love the models, but that you'd rather a really powerful ranged army.

It's very normal that ones early purchases are more dictated by visuals and latter purchases MIGHT be dictated more by playstyle. Since by a latter stage you've not only had more experience with your army, but a better grasp of the games mechanics to predict how other armies will play based on their stats and also seen those armies in play as well.

i understand this logic as my new purchases would be based off of need of some sort rather than anything else. I am really liking their rules and love their model range. As for the way they play, well this is to be determined but i have to get to that point. I have set a goal of 1k, that also needs to be painted. Once i have achieved this and played a few games, then i can see how i feel and then move forward to expand my army if i still have those butterflies in my stomach as i have now!! LOL


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Jackal90 wrote:
Honestly, this sounds entirely normal to me as a gamer/collector lol.
I can wander into GW to grab a few paints and end up leaving with the start of a new army.

Sometimes it can be a nightmare to find an army you enjoy painting and playing as most are have point but not the other.

I’ve got a gloomspite army and I love them.
The models are some of the best in the AoS range to me and their rules are solid enough to be balanced.


I’ve found that things like escalation leagues or groups can really help building an army.
I now tend to set out 1k, 1.5k and 2k lists to work towards.
I then ban myself from buying anything until each part is complete.

Yep, i could not agree more with this. The 1K list and playing time is now my only goal. This gives me a chance to enjoy the hobby in both aspects and then i can revisit the list and decided if 1.5 or 2k is appropriate. If the latter is the case, then i know i have made the right decision.

Sometimes I have purchased models off looks and discovered I did not like them in play, those are models I've just kept on my shelves to look at. Because I still like looking at them, that's why I bought them after all!

I have also bought models based off play even though I did not like their looks. I ended up selling them off. Because at the end of the day one spends more time looking at an army than they do playing it.

Not sure if it helps but that's my two cents.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Sometimes I have purchased models off looks and discovered I did not like them in play, those are models I've just kept on my shelves to look at. Because I still like looking at them, that's why I bought them after all!

I have also bought models based off play even though I did not like their looks. I ended up selling them off. Because at the end of the day one spends more time looking at an army than they do playing it.

Not sure if it helps but that's my two cents.

It does, especially how we look at them more then playing. Thank you for this sound advice.

Hey, if you’re in Carmel you’re 45 mins from a GW store. Come to Stamford CT. The store there is great, the manager is awesome, and most of the AoS guys are great (only one kinda bad egg who has to be the best or cries, but he rarely shows up). I have a tournament slaanesh build myself, but I’m also carrying any other chaos armies and would happily build a fun list to play as well.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Hey, if you’re in Carmel you’re 45 mins from a GW store. Come to Stamford CT. The store there is great, the manager is awesome, and most of the AoS guys are great (only one kinda bad egg who has to be the best or cries, but he rarely shows up). I have a tournament slaanesh build myself, but I’m also carrying any other chaos armies and would happily build a fun list to play as well.

Hell yeah!!! please PM me as i am trying to find some games. I go to that store all of the time, I was going to go today until but i did not realize that they close at 6pm. I also know someone who is building a daughters army but he is doing it really slow.

Nurse, looks like we've got a critical case of SMS.
There's no hope for him now, contact the next of kin.

SMS? I’m lost. Lol

I'm guessing he's referring to "Shiny Model Syndrome".

Yup.
Time for a pay rise Nurse Kanluwen.

Still figuring out what I like, I guess it boils down to who you are as a person! Maybe its mental in my case. What I can say is, avoid battlereps!!!! lol, i say this because you see one army dominate the army your thinking of playing. This starts creating doubt, especially if your targeted army looses. Then you look at the other army. Then you think, maybe this army is better! I do kinda like their models!, next thing you know, you went out and made some purchases.

Happens to me all the time. You can look at a lot of models and be blown away from them. You can read a lot of great background/lores and want to jump in. You can even play with an army and still want to do something else.

For me, i am finally coming to grips with what i like. I like elite armies due to low model counts. I like armies that can take a punch and then punch back. I lore but that isn't the end all be all for me and of course great looking models are always a good thing.

This being said, I have decided to try and stick with Ossiarch Bonereapers. This army which i pass over so many time (Not sure why) checks off every box. I even bought one of their heroes and have started painting it

Wish me luck and who the hell knows lol

Well if nothing else at least you'll be good paying the tithe as a reaper ;P


Reapers are awsome looking, I honestly really love them. Heck their cavalry are honestly some of the best I've ever seen from GW. Not just in derms of posing and detail, but in terms of the ratio of rider to mount size. They FEEL and look like powerful mounts without being "supersized". Whislt in the past a lot of GW horses were very plain and far more into the "its a tall pony" rather than "warhorse" (even if many armies in the real world did use ponies as war mounts of course).

yeah, still reading up on them but a "Bone Mafia" and I am Sicilian!!!! Hell yeah, they should have started with that.

All things considered, being an army that is made to fight Storm Cast, really makes me happy as i am not a fan of the Ultramarines of AOS.

In theory they were started long before Stormcast. Nagash first started making them long ago when he and Sigmar were united and Sigmar came to the realm of Death and started demanding that great Cities be built for the living.

Nagash in the end agreed and provided his endless tireless servants of the undead to help build those mega-cities for Sigmar. However in doing so he hid vast catacombs beneath them. Within which he hid his Ossiarchs.

An army that are moulded of the best souls and bodies that Nagash can find; created from the best of the best and then sliced to remove the worst and combined with more of the best into new living construct warriors.

All he lacked was a general to lead them, one loyal enough that Nagash could trust him with an army that, whilst having its own will and purpose, would be very "machine" style in its execution of its orders.



It wasn't until the Necroquake broke the prison that Sigmar had sealed Katakross within, that Nagash found his loyal general. Gifted him a blade that would make his most loyal general even more twisted toward his hatred of the living; and thus drive forth the Ossiarchs from their hidden slumber.



Morghasts and a few others did get used long before this, but the legions of Mortek and the lithe stalkers and more were never on the field of play till very late .Nagash basically held back a trump card until such time as he could unleash his forces.

 Gloomking wrote:
Still figuring out what I like, I guess it boils down to who you are as a person! Maybe its mental in my case. What I can say is, avoid battlereps!!!! lol, i say this because you see one army dominate the army your thinking of playing. This starts creating doubt, especially if your targeted army looses. Then you look at the other army. Then you think, maybe this army is better! I do kinda like their models!, next thing you know, you went out and made some purchases.

Happens to me all the time. You can look at a lot of models and be blown away from them. You can read a lot of great background/lores and want to jump in. You can even play with an army and still want to do something else.

For me, i am finally coming to grips with what i like. I like elite armies due to low model counts. I like armies that can take a punch and then punch back. I lore but that isn't the end all be all for me and of course great looking models are always a good thing.

This being said, I have decided to try and stick with Ossiarch Bonereapers. This army which i pass over so many time (Not sure why) checks off every box. I even bought one of their heroes and have started painting it

Wish me luck and who the hell knows lol

Dude, you are all over the place. You've already got bits & pieces of 4 armies & now you're on to a 5th. If your goal is 1k pts, you are NEVER going to actually play this game at the rate you're going. Especially if you want them to be painted prior to them hitting the table.
Pick one force, buy 1k pts of models for it all in one go, & get it on the table.

It seems like a lot of players have this issue. I think its deeper then just picking an army that you like but more what you can really relate to. To me, I pick based on look and lore. Game play is important but there are variables that you cant take into account that could change your gaming experience. How the role of the dice go, what army are you playing against, for instance.

Also, if you keep buying and selling and never start painting or putting models together with the intention of playing a game, then you will be stuck in this endless cycle.

This is not easy for some people and on that I will say Good luck and try to focus and really do some intense research before stepping foot in a store or making a purchase online.