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I know its one of these heard it from a redshirt but a friend of mine was in GW (Dublin) this week chatting to the managers and they seemed fairly convinced 9th ed was pencilled in for this Summer 2020.
Whether its 8.5 or pure 9th wasnt said but something to ruminate on I suppose.

Anyone heard similar?

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Right behind you.

Not a thing. Managers likely wouldn't know until around March or April for a May or June release though.

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The persistent rumour is Psychic Awakening books until the summer, then some sort of re-launch or new edition.
   
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9th rumors started the day 8th released. Until I see something substantial (i.e. not "heard from a guy who knows a guy who once had a beer with a dude who used to work for Gee Dubs"), I'll continue to ignore them.

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There are a few signs of 9th edition coming:

#1 - Psychic Awakening should end at that point, which leaves a big 'ol "what's next?" hanging over everything. A new edition would make sense.

#2 - The Psychic Awakening books have been similar to previous series of campaign books that culminated in a new edition, having been the case with both Warhammer Fantasy transitioning into Age of Sigmar, and 7th transition transitioning into 8th edition.

#3 - There's supposedly a big release in the summer that the employees aren't allowed to take time off for. Usually these are just done for massive releases like new editions.


So that all seems to make sense, yeah? Well, who the heck really knows, because I've been hearing "New Daemon Primarch soon!" for ages now, and nothing's happened. But there do seem to be things that suggest a new edition. New edition would likely be like the move from 3rd ed to 4th, 4th to 5th, 5th to 6th, or 6th to 7th - which were all pretty minor and backwards compatible.

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Wasn't the scuttle around 8th that it was the end of "editions" and that it was now effectively a living ruleset?

Or would people accept a reprint of the core book with subsequently printed FAQ and errata in it as "9th?"

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beast_gts wrote:
The persistent rumour is Psychic Awakening books until the summer, then some sort of re-launch or new edition.


Indeed. They want you to buy all the books that will be obsoleted shortly after buying.

On the positive side, 40K needs an enema. Badly. They need to consolidate rules, points, lists.

They need to cease the moving target and settle down and sort out problems. 8th edition has beyond jumped the shark.. it has passed beyond nuking the fridge.. it is at a whole new level of insanity.

They need to fix 40k....

At the moment, without paying for a 3rd party app (even then it has errors and omissions) I cannot actually be certain about an opponents list (is it legal? Is it up to date?) when facing random people in pickup battles. Without some kind of several hours long vetting and use of a literal library pile of books to search through I just have to trust that it is both up to date and legal. The number of special rules is similarly massive, inconsistent, and spread over many books... this leaves me unable to be certain if the special rules are actual rules or not.. again without using a 3rd party app.. with errors.. and books that would require searching through. I just have to presume he is telling the truth.

It is no way to have the rules of the game. I shouldn't have to constantly print out FAQs, Errata, buy CAs (esp when CAs often contradict so sure new supersedes old except where there is no new in the new version so the old version is still valid for all things not included in the new version so the book is both invalid and valid at the same time), let alone needing to seek through book after books.. old books new books, books that are both out of date and valid again.. depending on if there is a FAQ, ERRATA, or it isn't "updated" in the new one. Omissions, Misprints on top.

This on top of all of the "no army wide perm special rules.. except for space marines.. because now we have those for them.. but not others no we follow the 8th edition build rules for them.. but not Space Marines.. but.. except we don't follow this core concept here.. but we do here.. because we are totally random! Also we based this rule and points cost on 7th edition without taking into account any of the changes in 8th.. Stat Lines that were just copy pasted w/o accounting for rules and system changes.

The mind truly boggles that ITC has been able to sort things out enough to run rational serious tournaments. Esp with GW moving the goal posts between planning and actual event date.

I still play 7th because.. its not insane. It's stable. The rules are always the same. A few house rules fix EVERY SINGLE REAL ISSUE with it.. Also.. there are no primaris ;p

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 Yarium wrote:


#3 - There's supposedly a big release in the summer that the employees aren't allowed to take time off for. Usually these are just done for massive releases like new editions.


This is literally the case every year, its nothing new.

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Rather than say "9th" Edition, perhaps people would be happier and would be more inclined to accept something like "Updated Current Edition".

I think it's fairly likely we see a consolidation and changes of the core rules in Summer, as others have noted - we're seeing patterns that we see typically before this sort of change.
   
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 Azreal13 wrote:
Wasn't the scuttle around 8th that it was the end of "editions" and that it was now effectively a living ruleset?

Or would people accept a reprint of the core book with subsequently printed FAQ and errata in it as "9th?"


People said the same when the General's Handbook for AoS was introduced, hoping for GW to get their act together (in a way, see below) and simply improve an existing edition until it's complete and good. Yet here we are in AoS 2nd ed.

40k will be no different. In spite of Chapter Approved providing a means of updating the game and selling extra books to people, GW's approach to the rules has always been to make rules overhauls that rewire the game enough that it never settles in a stable set of rules. They're not looking for improvement leading to the best rule set they can make but for change to the status quo that will get people to buy new models. Along the way they'll sell a new rule book and starter set. Chapter Approved and the General's Handbook are simply another purchase on top of that, not a replacement.

Some editions are complete overhauls while others are backwards compatible with older army books and 9th ed will be the latter. But it's not realistic to expect that GW is going to drop the big boost to the bottom line a new edition brings with it.

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 Geifer wrote:

People said the same when the General's Handbook for AoS was introduced, hoping for GW to get their act together (in a way, see below) and simply improve an existing edition until it's complete and good. Yet here we are in AoS 2nd ed.

The difference now is that the General's Handbook was intended to provide points and things of that nature, initially, to a game that did not have them.

After GHB dropped, army books started coming with points printed inside of them and the GHB became what Chapter Approved is: updated points and potentially updated/revised rules.
   
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 Azreal13 wrote:
Wasn't the scuttle around 8th that it was the end of "editions" and that it was now effectively a living ruleset?

Or would people accept a reprint of the core book with subsequently printed FAQ and errata in it as "9th?"


GW always says new edition is the ultimate edition

Living ruleset is just fanfic made by, well fans.

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I'd be ok with an edition change or whatever they end up calling it. The 8th ed codices are really uneven in terms of quality, which reflect a lot of lessons learned throughout the edition. That's to be expected though since 8th ed was the largest changeset since third, so there were bound to be some gotchas.

With that said I don't think they are going to redo the dark imperium box, and they would more or less have to if they did a hard edition change since DI comes with the 8th ed rulebook. So I expect a soft edition change, probably at the conclusion of PA. PA is there to make sure no one is as bad off as the index armies were waiting for their new codexes.

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 Grimgold wrote:
I'd be ok with an edition change or whatever they end up calling it. The 8th ed codices are really uneven in terms of quality, which reflect a lot of lessons learned throughout the edition. That's to be expected though since 8th ed was the largest changeset since third, so there were bound to be some gotchas.


Sadly, most of the gotchas are in the codexes, which will linger.

A reboot won't shock me, but hopefully they'll ease up on the pacing afterwards. Settle in and update books slowly and focus on getting the model range updated instead.

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There needs to be some rule consolidation at some point, I can barely keep up.

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 Grimgold wrote:
I'd be ok with an edition change or whatever they end up calling it. The 8th ed codices are really uneven in terms of quality, which reflect a lot of lessons learned throughout the edition. That's to be expected though since 8th ed was the largest changeset since third, so there were bound to be some gotchas.

With that said I don't think they are going to redo the dark imperium box, and they would more or less have to if they did a hard edition change since DI comes with the 8th ed rulebook. So I expect a soft edition change, probably at the conclusion of PA. PA is there to make sure no one is as bad off as the index armies were waiting for their new codexes.


I'm anticipating more redone Codexes in the latter half of this year, integrating the PA rules with some additional changes.

That's one reason why I'm only buying the PAs I need for the armies I'm currently playing competitively. They're likely going to be obsolete in 6-12 months and there's not enough missions and campaign rules to make them worthwhile after their matched play content rotates out.
   
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 Kanluwen wrote:
 Geifer wrote:

People said the same when the General's Handbook for AoS was introduced, hoping for GW to get their act together (in a way, see below) and simply improve an existing edition until it's complete and good. Yet here we are in AoS 2nd ed.

The difference now is that the General's Handbook was intended to provide points and things of that nature, initially, to a game that did not have them.

After GHB dropped, army books started coming with points printed inside of them and the GHB became what Chapter Approved is: updated points and potentially updated/revised rules.


To be fair, 1st edition AoS was an objectively terrible product that required supplementary materials and effort on the part of the end user to make functional.

2nd is a patched up to bare bones core as a result of Rowntree’s Herculean efforts to salvage the system.
   
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Right behind you.

To be fair, it only required those "supplementary materials" if you had powergaming twits whose sole goal in life is to make everyone else miserable.
   
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Per local Redshirt: "Absolutely not - lots of other stuff in the pipeline and they would just roll out more army books and indexes at this point"


   
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Local redshirts generally don't know much more than average joe so...

GW tends to keep things secret. As it is forge world for example heard of 8th ed when GW revealed it to the public...They do not leak stuff easily except when they want. And when they want it's not via redshirt for sure.

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The whole "people can't take time off around their s release" sounds impressive until you remember that most stores are 1 person with a part time weekend person, when the manager is off someone from a rare 2 person store has to cover and even then it results in shorter hours.
   
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 Grimgold wrote:
I'd be ok with an edition change or whatever they end up calling it. The 8th ed codices are really uneven in terms of quality, which reflect a lot of lessons learned throughout the edition. That's to be expected though since 8th ed was the largest changeset since third, so there were bound to be some gotchas.

With that said I don't think they are going to redo the dark imperium box, and they would more or less have to if they did a hard edition change since DI comes with the 8th ed rulebook. So I expect a soft edition change, probably at the conclusion of PA. PA is there to make sure no one is as bad off as the index armies were waiting for their new codexes.


Dark Vengence was used for two editions so I could see them keeping DI around and simply tossing a new book in it.

although yeah had they been planning an edition change anytime soon I would have expected that to be shadowspear, had they tossed a rulebook in it would have been a pretty decent starter set

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tneva82 wrote:
Local redshirts generally don't know much more than average joe so...

GW tends to keep things secret. As it is forge world for example heard of 8th ed when GW revealed it to the public...They do not leak stuff easily except when they want. And when they want it's not via redshirt for sure.

Wouldn't that be great? If for every big release, a single random redshirt was given an exclusive scoop, and they are in fact given free rein to tell it to whoever they wished, as GW knows barely anyone would believe them anyway...
   
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 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
Local redshirts generally don't know much more than average joe so...

GW tends to keep things secret. As it is forge world for example heard of 8th ed when GW revealed it to the public...They do not leak stuff easily except when they want. And when they want it's not via redshirt for sure.

Wouldn't that be great? If for every big release, a single random redshirt was given an exclusive scoop, and they are in fact given free rein to tell it to whoever they wished, as GW knows barely anyone would believe them anyway...


But then they get killed on an away mission and the secret is lost forever :(
   
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Well I'm shocked.

No.

Wait.

The other one.

Not shocked.

So how many years did 8th last, 2 or 3? It can't be 4 can it?

 
   
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To be fair they're not just going to kill off 8E and start from scratch again with another set of codexes. This will be more like the 2018 update of AoS, where some of the structural issues* get addressed but everything largely works as before.

*I'm looking at you, CP generation & terrain rules

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BrianDavion wrote:
 Grimgold wrote:
I'd be ok with an edition change or whatever they end up calling it. The 8th ed codices are really uneven in terms of quality, which reflect a lot of lessons learned throughout the edition. That's to be expected though since 8th ed was the largest changeset since third, so there were bound to be some gotchas.

With that said I don't think they are going to redo the dark imperium box, and they would more or less have to if they did a hard edition change since DI comes with the 8th ed rulebook. So I expect a soft edition change, probably at the conclusion of PA. PA is there to make sure no one is as bad off as the index armies were waiting for their new codexes.


Dark Vengence was used for two editions so I could see them keeping DI around and simply tossing a new book in it.

although yeah had they been planning an edition change anytime soon I would have expected that to be shadowspear, had they tossed a rulebook in it would have been a pretty decent starter set


Is it just me or was there something incongruous about shadowspear and vigilus, because they feel different from the other releases at the time, and the releases since. Formations are unique to the two Vigilus books and actually seemed to be the main selling feature of the books, but since their release, GW appears to be doing their round best to get rid of them. I mean are we looking at a near miss where GW changed their plans at the last moment, and the miniatures we are getting now were meant for Vigilus style supplements? Because at the time of Vigilus 2, it looked GWs plan for late-game 8th was endless formation heavy splat books like they did in late 7th ed. With PA it looks like we are moving towards 9th edition, or 8.5, or whatever we decide to call a soft reboot of the rules and codices.

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