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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/02/09 19:58:07
Subject: KILL TEAM - Decisive Strike/Charging and units that fight twice
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Faithful Squig Companion
Aloha, Oregon
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So myself and the roommate are testing lists for a Killteam tournament and his list mainly consists of khorne berzerkers - my question is how does their ability to fight twice interact with decisive strike and charging? Can you use decisive strike to fight first, then immediately activate that same model again since it charged?
For example: He charged an ork boy and a nob with his berzerker champ and made it into combat with both. Once we get to melee phase he uses decisive strike to fight with that berzerker first - his first fight takes the ork boy out of action, he then activates it again and fights the nob which also takes it out of action.
It seems screwy to me but I am biased since he did that to me every fight phase and it created a bit of salt tbh.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/02/09 20:15:23
Subject: KILL TEAM - Decisive Strike/Charging and units that fight twice
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Screaming Shining Spear
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In you example yes he can do that just because he charged.
in KT there is an alternative order for resolving both the shooting and fight phase.
1st Resolve readied models or models who made a sucessfull charge
2nd resolve normal shooting or fight starting with the player who currently has the initiative.
3 if Decisive Strike Stratagem is used it allows a player to choose a model and resolve it's attack before the models who charged or readied.
In fact if he was the player with the Initiative he could just charge resolve his attacks first then select it a second time to fight against since he has again to select such model without any need to use the Decisive strike stratagem, or you could use the same Stratagem to attack the berserk before he can resolve his 2 activations.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2020/02/09 20:17:50
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/02/11 08:42:03
Subject: KILL TEAM - Decisive Strike/Charging and units that fight twice
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Page 34 says that "No model can be chosen to fight more than once in a Fight phase." Was that FAQ'ed to no longer be the case?
I ask because the game also says you can't shoot if you're within 1" of an enemy model. Then it later says you can if it's a pistol. Or flesh hooks if your a 'nid, etc.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/02/11 08:57:34
Subject: KILL TEAM - Decisive Strike/Charging and units that fight twice
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Tzeentch Veteran Marine with Psychic Potential
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privateer4hire wrote:Page 34 says that "No model can be chosen to fight more than once in a Fight phase." Was that FAQ'ed to no longer be the case?
I ask because the game also says you can't shoot if you're within 1" of an enemy model. Then it later says you can if it's a pistol. Or flesh hooks if your a 'nid, etc.
General rule<specific exeception
A model or a tactic can have a rule that breaks existing rules.>
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/02/11 18:24:01
Subject: KILL TEAM - Decisive Strike/Charging and units that fight twice
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Did a little more digging since even at 2 CP that's a lot of power.
The designers specifically address Decisive Strike and Decisive Shot on page 4 of their commentary.
TLDR players can't have the same model shoot twice or fight twice using Tactics.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/kill_team_designers_commentary_en.pdf
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/02/11 23:26:17
Subject: KILL TEAM - Decisive Strike/Charging and units that fight twice
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Leader of the Sept
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No, but Khorne Berzerkers are elites with a special rule letting them fight twice in a round.
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Please excuse any spelling errors. I use a tablet frequently and software keyboards are a pain!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/02/12 00:22:19
Subject: KILL TEAM - Decisive Strike/Charging and units that fight twice
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Understood. Didn't know they had a specifically written ability/rule that allowed them to get around that. Thanks.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/02/12 08:15:44
Subject: KILL TEAM - Decisive Strike/Charging and units that fight twice
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Lord of the Fleet
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If the zerker charges then it will fight twice in the hammer of wrath phase so he didn't even need to use the tactic to fight twice before your boy or nob could swing.
Example - berzerker charged, there's no other combat.
Chaos player has initiative:
Hammer of wrath
Zerker fights
Other player passes (no eligible models)
Zerker fights
Fight for your lives
Zerker player passes (no eligible models)
Other player's model fights
Other player has initiative:
Hammer of wrath
Other player passes
Zerker fights
Other player passes
Zerker fights
Fight for your lives
Other player fights
Same result.
If you also have chargers and he has initiative then he can use decisive strike to fight twice before you fight.
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2020/02/12 18:28:50
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