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Magnus seems to be a near god, if we follow the lore laid out since Wrath of Magnus. How, could Bobby G even get close enough to fight with him recently? Magnus has been shown to be able to crush entire battleships in the orbit of Fenris. Fire smites that one shot land raiders and other heavy machines. This is even before we bring into account his massive demon frame and the strength behind it. For the record. I am not a Magnus fan boy. Sure, I play 1ksons and use his mini. I also like the character. But I do not have a obsessive compulsion to mary stu his powerlevel. All that I have written has come from GW proper lore and not Black Library.

Plot armor is powerful yes, but it only goes so far. I think they made Magnus far to powerful. At this point, no living being is a match for him. Not even Mortarion, a fellow demon prince. Am I missing something? I am also not counting the ritual that Magnus completed in Wrath of Magnus that allowed him to outright ignore any all weapons of the Imperium. I leave this out because the recent events had him have to shield himself from a extermenatus blast from orbit, something he did not have to do in WoM. So Im guessing the ritual was broken when Khornes axe wounded him.
   
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keep in mind as a warp entity his power will ebb and flow, one moment he's all powerful, the next his power is greatly reduced

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Table wrote:
Plot armor is powerful yes, but it only goes so far.


I think you'll find that no power in the galaxy, not even this battle station, is a match for the power of the force plot armor.

It's basically inevitable in my experience that a body of lore as massive as 40k will have instances of inconsistent power levels. It probably worked better in older editions, when nearly all lore was presented as being from the PoV of an unreliable narrator or factional propaganda.

   
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Step 1 - Stand next to a Null.

Step 2 - Laugh as Magnus can do nothing.

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pm713 wrote:
Step 1 - Stand next to a Null.

Step 2 - Laugh as Magnus can do nothing.
Step 3: "Oh crap, Nulls do nothing against a boulder that was hurled with psychic power."

Magnus ain't dumb.

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The writers made him far too ridiculous to begin with. It's the same deal with Necrons being able to edit the galaxy with a console and Nids being invincible via endless adaptations.
   
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pm713 wrote:
Step 1 - Stand next to a Null.

Step 2 - Laugh as Magnus can do nothing.


Thats where his 20 foot chad demon body wielding a giant sword/spear comes into play. He can cut a titan in half. No lie. Its bonkers how OP he is.

Edit : I think hes over 20 feet. He towers above Bobby G, and he isnt a small guy.


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Roberts84 wrote:
The writers made him far too ridiculous to begin with. It's the same deal with Necrons being able to edit the galaxy with a console and Nids being invincible via endless adaptations.


I agree. It hurts the lore imho. They need to tone him down. Id like to keep all the Draigos on the imperial side of the fence.

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Table wrote:
Thats where his 20 foot chad demon body wielding a giant sword/spear comes into play. He can cut a titan in half. No lie. Its bonkers how OP he is.

Edit : I think hes over 20 feet. He towers above Bobby G, and he isnt a small guy.


I'm a bit lore rusty and this isn't my high point of interest, but isn't atrociously painful and maddening for a psyker to stand near a null? Also, since Magnus is a daemon he needs to expand psychic energy to even have a presence in the material plane and the further he is from the Warp the more energy he must spend to maintain his presence. Put a null near him and he will just go poof back to the Warp where he belongs.

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Magnus suffers from the same fatal flaw that cripples all heroes of the 40k universe: turn 1, before his own psychic phase.

I'm certain the emperor went second during the heresy and failed to seize the initiative.

   
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He is one of the top 5 psykers in the galaxy, but being able to destroy spaceships implies that his influence in the warp is greater than the entire crew of the ship combined (50k+ people), some of whom would be powerful psykers in their own right. Punching titans to death is one thing, but this puts Magnus close to god tier power. It’s like they are making the same mistakes they made in WHFB, where every character is an ultra-powerful hero who can solo entire armies and all the other thousands of people are nothing without them.
   
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And there was a scene in one book where Magnus slowed down a Mass Conveyor falling from orbit with Psyker powers to a degree that it safely landed on the planet.

I think it was the book with Thousand Sons and Iron Warriors along with their Primarchs cooperating.

And that is a damn impressive feat. A Mass Conveyor is 12km long and has a mass of 60 million tonnes.
   
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That doesn't bother me so much, presumably the crew with also be hoping they didn't crash. Destroy a ship not only implies that he can overpower inanimate matter but also overpower the will of all of the people on the ship, who are hoping they don't explode.
   
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If forced into a head-on conflict, I'm sure Roboute would try to assemble as many sisters of silence (or other nulls and psy-wards) as possible to weaken Magnus's advantage.

In a one-on-one fight with no help from outside? Assuming you don't exploit some emotional or hubristic angle to ruin Magnus's concentration? It should probably be a very one-sided fight. However, I will point out that the primarchs all seem to have a little supernatural mojo going for them. Even (or especially) Russ. The Khan was able to hurt psychic creatures on Prospero that his marine pals couldn't touch with their physical weapons, for instance. So I imagine this would manifest as some sort of generic plot armor/toning down of psychic powers. Magnus probably couldn't straight up explode Guilliman's brain, for instance. At least not quickly or easily.

Fun fact on Magnus's size: he may appear to be 20 feet or whatever based on his model, but his appearance frequently varies over time and for each person viewing him. He might look like a towering demon thing, or he might look like an old man or a one-eyed child.
   
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Keep in mind that it takes a significant amount of energy for Magnus to keep himself intact when in realspace, and it generally seems that the more powerful your warp presence, the greater the amount of energy needed to keep your footing in reality. That's why Angron had to waste time building monuments to Khorne during the First War of Armageddon, so he could have established ley lines to channel the warp and weaken the veil between it and reality to maintain his hold on the physical realm. Magnus, being arguably even more powerful than Angron, at least in the psychic sense, would likely take even more than him to stay manifested in reality, so for every superpowered act he takes, that's a whole less more energy for him to stay tangible. He's definitely a powerhouse, but as long as you take contingencies like Roboute does with squads of SoS to help nullify his main advantage, he has to fight to both stay in the physical realm, deal with potential nulls AND combat, is enough to stop him so it's not that he's completely invincible.

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Im not sure if a null would stop him from chopping something in half. Im not certain what the range of nulls and bad things is. I suppose it will change with the story.

Keep in mind. Im mainly talking about a one on one encounter. Bobby could bring sisters and Magnus could bring tanks to deal with those nulls. It goes back and forth like a saturday morning cartoon game of one upsmanship.

I still stand by my statement that GW has Draigo'd Magnus. He needs to be toned down. But how? Even before the demon prince upgrade Magnus was the second most powerful psyker in the imperium of man and one day perhaps even on equal footing with his father as he was to take his place on the golden throne. The only one powerful enough to do so.


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 techsoldaten wrote:
Magnus suffers from the same fatal flaw that cripples all heroes of the 40k universe: turn 1, before his own psychic phase.

I'm certain the emperor went second during the heresy and failed to seize the initiative.


As someone who uses Mags on a fairly regular frequency, I can appreciate this. :(

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Tzeentch would never let Magnus grow too powerful, and probably engineers many of his defeats from the shadows. It's like how he has two blue horrors instead of a lord of change to be the ones to collect all of his lost knowledge.
   
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 ArcaneHorror wrote:
Tzeentch would never let Magnus grow too powerful, and probably engineers many of his defeats from the shadows. It's like how he has two blue horrors instead of a lord of change to be the ones to collect all of his lost knowledge.


I am not really sure if Magnus has failed yet. In Wrath of Magnus his true goal was to ravage the Fenris system to power his ritual that brought the planet of sorc's into real space. The most recent debacle was in PA in which it is hinted at that his ritual had succeeded and that the Grey Knights and DA's who died in droves were the real sacrifice. Now I know alot of this is GW's way to lessen a victory for the baddies. After all the bad guys cant win or we have no game or lore (not being snarky). He is becoming a mary stu, if he isnt already. Its to bad.
   
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Magnus should not have lost to Russ.
That was just stupid.
Magnus and Mortarion, because they are immortal, get killed by anything and everything.

GW retcons things like crazy, I dont understand why they dont retcon Mortys duel with Draigo, or make it so that Magnus has a proper victory against the Space Wolves for once. Hes attacked Fenris two or three times but Fenris still exists because destroying it "isnt the plan"

GW needs a a lore jury of people who are intelligent and not biased to determine wtf actually comes to fruition.

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123ply wrote:
Magnus should not have lost to Russ.
That was just stupid.
Magnus and Mortarion, because they are immortal, get killed by anything and everything.

GW retcons things like crazy, I dont understand why they dont retcon Mortys duel with Draigo, or make it so that Magnus has a proper victory against the Space Wolves for once. Hes attacked Fenris two or three times but Fenris still exists because destroying it "isnt the plan"

GW needs a a lore jury of people who are intelligent and not biased to determine wtf actually comes to fruition.


Russ is a primarch and presumably in his own way just as powerful a psyker.

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123ply wrote:
Magnus should not have lost to Russ.
That was just stupid.
Magnus and Mortarion, because they are immortal, get killed by anything and everything.

GW retcons things like crazy, I dont understand why they dont retcon Mortys duel with Draigo, or make it so that Magnus has a proper victory against the Space Wolves for once. Hes attacked Fenris two or three times but Fenris still exists because destroying it "isnt the plan"

GW needs a a lore jury of people who are intelligent and not biased to determine wtf actually comes to fruition.

Why not?

Magnus absolutely won the first time and the way he did it fits him far better than blowing it up. The subsequent attack on Fenris was just dumb and unMagnusy.

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BrianDavion wrote:
123ply wrote:
Magnus should not have lost to Russ.
That was just stupid.
Magnus and Mortarion, because they are immortal, get killed by anything and everything.

GW retcons things like crazy, I dont understand why they dont retcon Mortys duel with Draigo, or make it so that Magnus has a proper victory against the Space Wolves for once. Hes attacked Fenris two or three times but Fenris still exists because destroying it "isnt the plan"

GW needs a a lore jury of people who are intelligent and not biased to determine wtf actually comes to fruition.


Russ is a primarch and presumably in his own way just as powerful a psyker.


But Magnus was also a primarch. The duel was stupid. There is no way Magnus should have lost to Russ unless he wanted to. Here I go, mary stuing Maggy. But seriously, Magnus is as big and strong as russ AND is the second most powerful psyker in the galaxy ( of mankind at least). And this is the danger of overpowering a character, either good or bad. Because when you need them to lose for the story, there is no credible way to make that happen. Magnus had to lose to Russ. But shouldnt have.

And Draigo is everything NOT to do with a character. I swear he was written by a 12 year old boy. Nothing he ever does will be credible to anyone not a diehard Draigo fan. Because they once more, mary stu'd him.


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123ply wrote:
Magnus should not have lost to Russ.
That was just stupid.
Magnus and Mortarion, because they are immortal, get killed by anything and everything.

GW retcons things like crazy, I dont understand why they dont retcon Mortys duel with Draigo, or make it so that Magnus has a proper victory against the Space Wolves for once. Hes attacked Fenris two or three times but Fenris still exists because destroying it "isnt the plan"

GW needs a a lore jury of people who are intelligent and not biased to determine wtf actually comes to fruition.

Why not?

Magnus absolutely won the first time and the way he did it fits him far better than blowing it up. The subsequent attack on Fenris was just dumb and unMagnusy.


Not even remotely true. The second assault was not just to have fun with the dogs, but to enact a ritual that directly lead to the maledictum. It was perhaps the second most important battle in 40k lore after the Horus Heresy and the fight on Terra. Fenris was not only drained of much of it ambient energy but several planets in the system collapsed leading to the massive death toll's needed. With both Fenris's energy and the deaths of billions, Magnus ripped the planet of sorc's into real space near Prospero. That rip in turn ripped open the galaxy. Id say Magnus won (albeit barely thanks to dues ex machina ) that encounter in a very Magnus fashion. The wolves paying was icing on the cake.

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But Magnus was also a primarch. The duel was stupid. There is no way Magnus should have lost to Russ unless he wanted to. Here I go, mary stuing Maggy. But seriously, Magnus is as big and strong as russ AND is the second most powerful psyker in the galaxy ( of mankind at least). And this is the danger of overpowering a character, either good or bad. Because when you need them to lose for the story, there is no credible way to make that happen. Magnus had to lose to Russ. But shouldnt have.


Magnus big advantage - his psychic powers - were all but nullified when he fought Russ.

This is from "A Thousand Sons"

Spoiler:
"His arm swept up and down like a piston, smashing though armour and shattering bone with a strength he had never known. His body seethed with power, but his every iota of attention was fixed on his prey. The enemy fell back from him in horror, unable to match his power. He hurled warriors aside like straw, battering them into the ground with waves of thought until they were little more than smears of gore on the marble. The power flowing through him was incredible.
Phosis T’kar looked over as Auramagma faced the Wolf King with fire wreathing his limbs in searing light. His fellow captain loosed a flood of aether at the primarch. Phosis T’kar roared in triumph as the flames engulfed Leman Russ, and Auramagma’s fire met the chill armour of Leman Russ in an explosion of light like the birth of a star. Russ barely blinked, but the effect on Auramagma was as incredible as it as horrific.
The enormous power of Auramagma turned from the Wolf King’s armour as light is reflected from a mirror, and his screams were hideous to behold as the aether’s spite burned its creator. Auramagma howled in such agony that all who heard his screams were moved to pity as the aether devoured his very essence. A blazing pyre of agony, Auramagma fled through the crush of bodies, and the Space Wolves parted before him, none willing to go near so damned a soul."

And:

"Ahriman had cautioned his warriors not to wield their powers for fear of the flesh change, but Magnus showed no such restraint and battered Leman Russ with fists wreathed in fire and lightning. Russ was a primarch and such powers as could shatter armies had little effect on him save to drive him to higher fits of rage."


Also, Russ barely won.

Spoiler:
Magnus drove his fist into Russ’s chest, the icy breastplate cracking open with a sound like planets colliding, and shards of ceramite stabbed the Wolf King’s heart. In return, Russ snapped Magnus’s arm back, and Ahriman heard it shatter into a thousand pieces. A blade of pure thought unsheathed from Magnus’s other arm, and he drove it deep into Russ’s chest through his shattered armour.The blade burst from Russ’s back and the Wolf King loosed a deafening bellow of pain. A chorus of the wolves that were not wolves added their howls to that of their master. The two enormous lupine monsters that accompanied Russ leapt upon Magnus, fastening their jaws upon his legs. Magnus slammed his fist into the black wolf’s head, driving it to the ground with a strangled yelp, its skull surely shattered. With a bellow of anger, Magnus tore the white wolf from his leg with a thought and hurled it away over the heads of the milling army at Russ’s back.
Ahriman felt hands dragging him away as the howling winds and driving rain tore through the gates. He tried to shake them off as someone shouted his name. Hathor Maat and Amon pulled him away from the entrance as the vast mechanisms slowly began hauling the enormous gates closed.
‘No!’ he shouted, his words snatched away by the screaming winds. ‘We can’t!’
‘We must!’ shouted Hathor Maat, pointing towards the crashing waters separating the Space Wolves from the pyramid. Using the stocks of their bolters as paddles, the enemy had jury-rigged concave shards of roof debris to use as makeshift boats, and were surging over the waves towards the gateway. The water had returned to its natural state, frothed patches of liquefied flesh and bone scumming its surface the only reminder of the men who had died there. Hordes of Wulfen plunged into the water, entire packs pushing towards the pyramid with hundreds more right behind them.
Ahriman looked past the approaching monsters to see Magnus and Russ locked in battle high above the causeway, the furious horror of their struggle obscured by ethereal fire and bursts of lightning. A flare of black light erupted and Russ cried out in agony. His blade lashed out blindly and struck a fateful blow against his foe’s most dreaded weapon: his eye.
In an instant, the pyrotechnic cascade of light and fire was extinguished and a stunning silence swept outwards. All motion ceased, and the titans battling on the causeway were no more, each primarch now restored to his customary stature.
Ahriman cried out as he saw Magnus reel back from the Wolf King, one hand clutched to his eye as his shattered arm crackled with regenerative energies. As broken and bloodied as Leman Russ was, he was brawler enough to seize his opportunity. He barrelled into Magnus and gripped him around the waist like a wrestler, roaring as he lifted his brother’s body high above his head.
All eyes turned to Russ as he brought Magnus down across his knee, and the sound of the Crimson King’s back breaking tore through every warrior of the Thousand Sons’ heart.
Ahriman fell to his knees, dropping the Book of Magnus as sympathetic pain, like a white-hot spear, stabbed through him. No pain in the world was worse, for this blow could unmake a primarch, and such wounds were a death-strike a hundred times over to any mortal warrior. He knelt against the closing gateway as the Wulfen packs reached the shoreline alongside warriors led by a bloody-fanged captain with burned hair and an ice-bladed axe.
The Wolf King howled his triumph to the blackened heavens, and a rain of blood replaced the oil-black downpour as Prospero wept for her fallen son. Ahriman’s tears were bloody as Leman Russ dropped Magnus to the mud and brought the frostblade Mjalnar around to take the head of his defeated foe




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Table wrote:
 ArcaneHorror wrote:
Tzeentch would never let Magnus grow too powerful, and probably engineers many of his defeats from the shadows. It's like how he has two blue horrors instead of a lord of change to be the ones to collect all of his lost knowledge.


I am not really sure if Magnus has failed yet. In Wrath of Magnus his true goal was to ravage the Fenris system to power his ritual that brought the planet of sorc's into real space. The most recent debacle was in PA in which it is hinted at that his ritual had succeeded and that the Grey Knights and DA's who died in droves were the real sacrifice. Now I know alot of this is GW's way to lessen a victory for the baddies. After all the bad guys cant win or we have no game or lore (not being snarky). He is becoming a mary stu, if he isnt already. Its to bad.


That's true, he has been pretty successful as of late. I just don't think that Tzeentch will be let him become too dominant, which might be one reason why we don't see him as much in the fluff. He, Mortarion, and Angron seem to be the only traitor primarchs that seem interested in actually doing anything.

About Magnus not being able to stay outside of the warp for too long, I thought that daemon princes could remain in the materium for long periods of time due to their ties to the mortal realm. It might take a lot to summon them, but once there, the only way to banish them is to put them down. Angron's defeat at Armageddon, for example, was due to him having to work to keep his bloodletters fueled on warp energy, not recharging himself.
   
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 ArcaneHorror wrote:


That's true, he has been pretty successful as of late. I just don't think that Tzeentch will be let him become too dominant, which might be one reason why we don't see him as much in the fluff.


Isn't there also a thing where Tzeentch's plans fail until it is suddenly revealed that the "failure" itself was "all according to plan" and Tzeentch's plans are so mind fucky that they often have no point beyond the plan themselves/Tzeentch can't even keep his own scheme's straight because all he's really about is scheming and the aftermath of any scheme is largely irrelevant except in howsoever it furthers some other scheme? Which is itself both a strength and a weakness (in true Chaos fashion) and trying to measure the power and success of Tzeentch or anyone who is in his web is a fundamentally futile effort because success/failure are just empty words in the grand scheme of scheming for scheming's sake.

   
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Table wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
123ply wrote:
Magnus should not have lost to Russ.
That was just stupid.
Magnus and Mortarion, because they are immortal, get killed by anything and everything.

GW retcons things like crazy, I dont understand why they dont retcon Mortys duel with Draigo, or make it so that Magnus has a proper victory against the Space Wolves for once. Hes attacked Fenris two or three times but Fenris still exists because destroying it "isnt the plan"

GW needs a a lore jury of people who are intelligent and not biased to determine wtf actually comes to fruition.


Russ is a primarch and presumably in his own way just as powerful a psyker.


But Magnus was also a primarch. The duel was stupid. There is no way Magnus should have lost to Russ unless he wanted to. Here I go, mary stuing Maggy. But seriously, Magnus is as big and strong as russ AND is the second most powerful psyker in the galaxy ( of mankind at least). And this is the danger of overpowering a character, either good or bad. Because when you need them to lose for the story, there is no credible way to make that happen. Magnus had to lose to Russ. But shouldnt have.

And Draigo is everything NOT to do with a character. I swear he was written by a 12 year old boy. Nothing he ever does will be credible to anyone not a diehard Draigo fan. Because they once more, mary stu'd him.


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pm713 wrote:
123ply wrote:
Magnus should not have lost to Russ.
That was just stupid.
Magnus and Mortarion, because they are immortal, get killed by anything and everything.

GW retcons things like crazy, I dont understand why they dont retcon Mortys duel with Draigo, or make it so that Magnus has a proper victory against the Space Wolves for once. Hes attacked Fenris two or three times but Fenris still exists because destroying it "isnt the plan"

GW needs a a lore jury of people who are intelligent and not biased to determine wtf actually comes to fruition.

Why not?

Magnus absolutely won the first time and the way he did it fits him far better than blowing it up. The subsequent attack on Fenris was just dumb and unMagnusy.


Not even remotely true. The second assault was not just to have fun with the dogs, but to enact a ritual that directly lead to the maledictum. It was perhaps the second most important battle in 40k lore after the Horus Heresy and the fight on Terra. Fenris was not only drained of much of it ambient energy but several planets in the system collapsed leading to the massive death toll's needed. With both Fenris's energy and the deaths of billions, Magnus ripped the planet of sorc's into real space near Prospero. That rip in turn ripped open the galaxy. Id say Magnus won (albeit barely thanks to dues ex machina ) that encounter in a very Magnus fashion. The wolves paying was icing on the cake.

The ritual needed energy but instead of taking it from somewhere actually made sense as a target he attacked a heavily defended system because lolhehateswolves. Besides IIRC the ritual was to bring the planet of sorcerors into reality and the Rift is a result of Cadia going boom as that contained part of the Eye of Terror.

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Not to mention that the Space Wolves are inherently resistant to psychic powers. Much like other Chapters/Legions, presumably a trait they inherited to a (much?) lesser degree from their Primarch.
   
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Bran Dawri wrote:
Not to mention that the Space Wolves are inherently resistant to psychic powers.


Where is that mentioned? I thought it was only Russ himself.

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Bran Dawri wrote:
Not to mention that the Space Wolves are inherently resistant to psychic powers.


Where is that mentioned? I thought it was only Russ himself.


As far as I know it's only ever directly mentioned in regards to Leman Russ himself, but generally all Astartes inherit the traits of the Primarchs to lesser degrees. I'm not sure it necessarily needs to be directly stated.

   
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pm713 wrote:
Table wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
123ply wrote:
Magnus should not have lost to Russ.
That was just stupid.
Magnus and Mortarion, because they are immortal, get killed by anything and everything.

GW retcons things like crazy, I dont understand why they dont retcon Mortys duel with Draigo, or make it so that Magnus has a proper victory against the Space Wolves for once. Hes attacked Fenris two or three times but Fenris still exists because destroying it "isnt the plan"

GW needs a a lore jury of people who are intelligent and not biased to determine wtf actually comes to fruition.


Russ is a primarch and presumably in his own way just as powerful a psyker.


But Magnus was also a primarch. The duel was stupid. There is no way Magnus should have lost to Russ unless he wanted to. Here I go, mary stuing Maggy. But seriously, Magnus is as big and strong as russ AND is the second most powerful psyker in the galaxy ( of mankind at least). And this is the danger of overpowering a character, either good or bad. Because when you need them to lose for the story, there is no credible way to make that happen. Magnus had to lose to Russ. But shouldnt have.

And Draigo is everything NOT to do with a character. I swear he was written by a 12 year old boy. Nothing he ever does will be credible to anyone not a diehard Draigo fan. Because they once more, mary stu'd him.


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123ply wrote:
Magnus should not have lost to Russ.
That was just stupid.
Magnus and Mortarion, because they are immortal, get killed by anything and everything.

GW retcons things like crazy, I dont understand why they dont retcon Mortys duel with Draigo, or make it so that Magnus has a proper victory against the Space Wolves for once. Hes attacked Fenris two or three times but Fenris still exists because destroying it "isnt the plan"

GW needs a a lore jury of people who are intelligent and not biased to determine wtf actually comes to fruition.

Why not?

Magnus absolutely won the first time and the way he did it fits him far better than blowing it up. The subsequent attack on Fenris was just dumb and unMagnusy.


Not even remotely true. The second assault was not just to have fun with the dogs, but to enact a ritual that directly lead to the maledictum. It was perhaps the second most important battle in 40k lore after the Horus Heresy and the fight on Terra. Fenris was not only drained of much of it ambient energy but several planets in the system collapsed leading to the massive death toll's needed. With both Fenris's energy and the deaths of billions, Magnus ripped the planet of sorc's into real space near Prospero. That rip in turn ripped open the galaxy. Id say Magnus won (albeit barely thanks to dues ex machina ) that encounter in a very Magnus fashion. The wolves paying was icing on the cake.

The ritual needed energy but instead of taking it from somewhere actually made sense as a target he attacked a heavily defended system because lolhehateswolves. Besides IIRC the ritual was to bring the planet of sorcerors into reality and the Rift is a result of Cadia going boom as that contained part of the Eye of Terror.


Ill have to re-read Wrath of Magnus, it is my understanding that bringing the PoS's to the materium weakened the barrier. I could be wrong, should probably figure that one out sooner than later.

But as for Russ being immune to psykers. Not sure thats anything but a plot armor used to allow him to defeat Magnus..... because there is now way he could do it without it. As for wolves sharing that trait? Nothing in the rules accounts for this and I am not to fond of relying on BL for hard lore. Either way, they made Mags to powerful and had to give Russ a super heaping of plot armor to allow him to progress the story...which has been my exact point. I want them to course correct.
   
 
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