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So we have anew lion model but no rules for 40k, I’m just a bit gutted. Surely this is the first step in that direction though?

It's a Horus Heresy model...why would you expect 40K rules for it?

New Lion model?

The last(?) Primarch miniature for Lion el Johnson was previewed today for Horuse Heresy.

It's not the last as AFAIK there's still the Khan but I'm loving that model.

pm713 wrote:
It's not the last as AFAIK there's still the Khan but I'm loving that model.

Khan has rules but no model at present, the Lion apparently now has a model and no rules.

Ah, my mistake. I don't follow HH but I've heard on podcasts people talking about the Khan so I thought he had a miniature.

 Elbows wrote:
Ah, my mistake. I don't follow HH but I've heard on podcasts people talking about the Khan so I thought he had a miniature.

Khan is a title in White Scars, there are other characters than the Primarch that have used it.

But yes, almost every Primarch has a model in HH, the Lion is the latest in a long line. None of the previous models have 40k rules.

 Stux wrote:

 Elbows wrote:
Ah, my mistake. I don't follow HH but I've heard on podcasts people talking about the Khan so I thought he had a miniature.

Khan is a title in White Scars, there are other characters than the Primarch that have used it.

But yes, almost every Primarch has a model in HH, the Lion is the latest in a long line. None of the previous models have 40k rules.

Oh, I thought only Jaghatai was called the Khan.

pm713 wrote:
Oh, I thought only Jaghatai was called the Khan.

He was the Great Khan.

 Elbows wrote:
It's a Horus Heresy model...why would you expect 40K rules for it?

It could be used in both 30 & 40k if they awoke the lion as many of us have expected

mrFickle wrote:
So we have anew lion model but no rules for 40k, I’m just a bit gutted. Surely this is the first step in that direction though?

Doubt it. Certainly not for a long time.

Also you used "anew" and "a new" in the wrong context in as many sentences lol.

mrFickle wrote:

 Elbows wrote:
It's a Horus Heresy model...why would you expect 40K rules for it?

It could be used in both 30 & 40k if they awoke the lion as many of us have expected

If the Lion was playable in 40K he'd at least have a 40K model which he doesn't seem to yet.

I like the Lion model alot, It's quite a bit more restrained than some of the other primarch models. He appears to be wielding a chain sword, and if memory serves the lion sword is a power sword, so that would place this model between the end of imperium secundus and aftermath of the siege of terra (when he stabbed russ with the lion sword). Kind of an odd design decision, unless a new book comes along he wasn't really doing much during that period, certainly not chopping up night lords.

*edit* I suppose there is another possibility, though it's a long shot. This model might be meant for dual purpose, because if the lion woke up tomorrow in 40k, he wouldn't have the lion sword because cypher has it. So if the model was meant to be used in 40k as well they might have chosen this particular weapon since it works in both time periods.

The big chainsaw is not the wine sword, it's some sort of spacewolf relic from my understanding. He has rules for both.

The wolf blade, has nothing to do with the space wolves. the lion find it on his home planet, ancient and large already.

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Wolf_Blade

presumably you can model him with eaither

The Lion comes with the option to take either the chainsword or the powersword.

But more importantly, he's got a fricken helmet option!

mrFickle wrote:
So we have anew lion model but no rules for 40k, I’m just a bit gutted. Surely this is the first step in that direction though?

I hope not-not with how GW is introducing, utilizing, and sculpting them. The Lion looks sweet, though.

 AnomanderRake wrote:

pm713 wrote:
It's not the last as AFAIK there's still the Khan but I'm loving that model.

Khan has rules but no model at present, the Lion apparently now has a model and no rules.

Well seeing he's not released yet we have only preview of model. You can bet he'll come with rules on release like Sanquinuis came.

Especially as a couple of snippets were mentioned during the stream.

S7 base, with the Wolf Sword giving +3S

Lion Sword for killing dudes, Wolf Sword for killing monsters...

 Dysartes wrote:
Especially as a couple of snippets were mentioned during the stream.

S7 base, with the Wolf Sword giving +3S

Lion Sword for killing dudes, Wolf Sword for killing monsters...

So he's got one sword for man, one sword for monsters?

Does that make him Geralt of Riva?

Khan was saved for last because they are sculpting him twice - once on bike, once off.

 Nitro Zeus wrote:
Khan was saved for last because they are sculpting him twice - once on bike, once off.

I just assumed they'd forgotten him, I mean.. being forgotten is basicly his super power

As said above, he's a 30k model not a 40k one, just like Angron, Horus, Perty, Alpharius, Sanguinius, Dorn, Fulgrim, Corax, Kurze, Russ, Ferrus, Lorgar, or Vulkan.

Why were people expecting 40k rules for a Primarch branded with 30k marketing? Is the same said for things like the Interemptors and Knights Cenobium?

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
As said above, he's a 30k model not a 40k one, just like Angron, Horus, Perty, Alpharius, Sanguinius, Dorn, Fulgrim, Corax, Kurze, Russ, Ferrus, Lorgar, or Vulkan.

Why were people expecting 40k rules for a Primarch branded with 30k marketing? Is the same said for things like the Interemptors and Knights Cenobium?

I think people like the OP were expecting a plastic Lion model for 40k (like Guilliman) at some point in the future, and that coming out with a 30k model means it's less likely we'll see his return in 40k.

I'd say it has zero bearing, since plastic Guilliman came out after his resin model did - same with Mortarion.

Yeah, if the Lion`'s coming, this won't have hurried or slowed it in any way. Two different crews sculpting, for two different game systems.

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

Why were people expecting 40k rules for a Primarch branded with 30k marketing? Is the same said for things like the Interemptors and Knights Cenobium?

I'm assuming that it's in reaction to the nonsense from people having sniffed out the preview's headers. When the pictures got leaked, immediately some of the usual suspects referred to it as "THE LION COMES TO 40K!".

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
Yeah, if the Lion`'s coming, this won't have hurried or slowed it in any way. Two different crews sculpting, for two different game systems.

and to further diffrentiate them I could see the Lion in 40k if he was introduced being given a new weapon or something, maybe the Lion sword reforged into something new, Ala Aundrial from the shards of Narsil...... actually thats kind of a neat idea