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So, I've got a lot of random elves that I am kitbashing into exodites, because reasons.

Anyway, with the inclusion of the Ynnari, their existence beyond their maiden world becomes a bit easier to explain. The question is what would be a good "counts as" army? If I want to have a very low-tech looking exodite army, is it acceptable/understandable to have armored giants be a counts as a wraithlords (or, dare I say it, wraithlords for giant wraithbone golems...for something about 10+ meters), dragonriders count as vypers or scorpions or whatever based on their size (using 2E as a guide).

Would it possible to have a swords/bows + eldar psychic abilities equal bog standard eldar wargear. I assume so since witchblades/staffs and singing spears are a thing) It would obviously mean a larger amount of farseers and warlocks. in the army list (and perhaps, paradoxically more points).

Things that really should not need any changes are:
Avatar of Khaine
Farseer (minus shuriken pistol)
Warlock (minus shuriken pistol)
Spiritseer (minus shruiken pistol)
Any melee weapons of the Eldar or Dark Eldar.

Just a random idea at 4am as I start cutting and gluing.

-STS

It clearly depends on your opponent in a 1v1 setting, and on the organizer in a tournament setting.
The friendlier the atmosphere, the more you get away with.

If you enter some competitions, where people take themselves and winning the game too seriously, you better show up with original GW/FW wysiwisg, or you risk having your opponent shedding tears at the referee. Mind you, not everyone, but that guy fer sure.
Judging by my experience with most casual players, if your stuff is actually assembled and painted, and you don't try to sneak in beer bottles or my little pony models as proxies, you are already golden. (and in a reeeally friendly setting, even that might be OK-ish for a game)
In the end, it boils down to respect for the hobby and your opponent. If you put a ton of ideas and hours into your army, everybody will be happy to play against you.

I think that I am going to label them on the edge of the base what they count as...

It certainly wont be a tournament army, but just something to dig out if I want something a bit different.

-STS

Exodites have a long history of being the way people bring their WHFB collections into 40K (lizardmen in particular) so if you have a good set of conversions I don't see you having a problem in tournaments.

Is there an army list of that already made somewhere so I can see what they listed as for 8E? Are they WYSIWYG or a lot of counts as?

Yes I am using google-fu, but using experts to find into is a lot more informative.

Does this seem an acceptable weapon profile for a bow:
Weapon: Bow
Range: 24"
Type: Assault 1
Strength: 3
AP: 0
Damage: 1
Abilities: None (may be modified by the unit using it)

Weapon: Ballista (may be mounted on a dragon)
Range: 36"
Type: Heavy 1
Strength: 4
AP: 0
Damage: 1
Abilities: None

Should I just buy a copy of...whatever Warhammer Fantasy is the current one?

-STS

The biggest problem with Lizardmen is that you frequently end up using models with legs to represent models that ought to be skimmers (ex. Cold Ones = Jetbikes), you might also look into the Idoneth out of Sigmar. They're not cheap but you've got the eel-cav for Jetbikes, the shark as a Vyper, and the giant turtle for the Falcon chassis. Maybe the high elf dragon on a flyer base to be one of the airplanes?

I think the Exodite conversions would be easier to play against if the person doing the conversions uses the Eldar ranged weapons rather than needing to remember what specific sort of bow represents what as well as figuring out what dinosaur represents what vehicle; if you're planning on taking the army to a tournament I'd strongly suggest sticking to the standard models for the guns.

you might struggle if you are using homebrew rules for your dudes. This is mainly due to balance.

Currently nothing in the Eldar arsenal has the profiles you have presented..

The way to go about it would be to count as or convert using the codex rules.

As mentioned some people would or wouldn't mind.

40k has a wonky set of rules when it comes to LOS, ranges etc.
So throwing in a bunch of unknown models might not make it fun for your opponent.

And certainly being hard to tell what unit is what (a guardian is very easily distingishable from dire avenger or a ranger at a glance) wont help the matter. At least weapon WYSIWYG using eldar weapons would be a start

I dont think there would be anything wrong with say a unit of dino riding cav models being counts as shining spears (relatively similiar size, and role as jetbikes are the 40k cavalarly) or some converted infantry but I just dont think theres a lot of fantasy GW bits that mesh with eldar.. Ive never seen any exodite units in the wild myself and theres various degrees of sucess from what ive seen online and none of it looks easy to do.

There are exodite armies out there done really well. I'm myself have some exodite elemnts in the pipeline - Using a pteradon for a farseers jetbike and some cold ones for shining spears. But not sure id commit to an entire army due to the amoutn of proxying/dubious conversions needed
Its really hard to get it right I think. So I's do a lot of research before committing.

I think that you could get mileage from the Drukhari codex.

You want rules for Exodites riding a pterodactyl, armed with bows and a ballista? How about a Venom, with Kabalite Warriors benefitting from the open-topped rules.

Coven Talos and Grot rules could be used to portray large dinosaurs, and there are (mediocre) rules for flocks of critters and beasties.

 harlokin wrote:
I think that you could get mileage from the Drukhari codex.

You want rules for Exodites riding a pterodactyl, armed with bows and a ballista? How about a Venom, with Kabalite Warriors benefitting from the open-topped rules.

Coven Talos and Grot rules could be used to portray large dinosaurs, and there are (mediocre) rules for flocks of critters and beasties.

I've used a mix of drukhari and craftworld rules to represent my exodites and been pretty happy with the results. I used...

* Bowmen as kabalite warriors (poisoned arrows)
* Various D&D minis as beast packs.
* T-rex models as talos with the -1 AP obsession (might try using wraith lord rules in the future instead, but the lower toughness seemed appropriate).
* Aboleth models as Cronos (felt a bit too big to be appropriate)
* Sisters of the Thorn conversions as shining spears.
* Idoneth thralls as wracks.
* Daughters of khaine as foot wyches (combat drugs refluffed as ritualistic pre-battle herbal concoctions)
* Worldsingers and other psykers as various craftworld psykers.
* Triceratops with big guns and riders on their backs as war walkers. (These were the small triceratops from the Nulzur's miniatures line; I have a bigger triceratops that I'll use as a raider or something when it's finished; I'll probably just refrain from using fly to go up on terrain that a non-flying model normally wouldn't have access to.)

I'm also working on converting up some full on Nulzur dragons to have riders. They'll probably end up acting as especially hard to hide vypers.

Wyldhunt wrote:

 harlokin wrote:
I think that you could get mileage from the Drukhari codex.

You want rules for Exodites riding a pterodactyl, armed with bows and a ballista? How about a Venom, with Kabalite Warriors benefitting from the open-topped rules.

Coven Talos and Grot rules could be used to portray large dinosaurs, and there are (mediocre) rules for flocks of critters and beasties.

I've used a mix of drukhari and craftworld rules to represent my exodites and been pretty happy with the results. I used...

* Bowmen as kabalite warriors (poisoned arrows)
* Various D&D minis as beast packs.
* T-rex models as talos with the -1 AP obsession (might try using wraith lord rules in the future instead, but the lower toughness seemed appropriate).
* Aboleth models as Cronos (felt a bit too big to be appropriate)
* Sisters of the Thorn conversions as shining spears.
* Idoneth thralls as wracks.
* Daughters of khaine as foot wyches (combat drugs refluffed as ritualistic pre-battle herbal concoctions)
* Worldsingers and other psykers as various craftworld psykers.
* Triceratops with big guns and riders on their backs as war walkers. (These were the small triceratops from the Nulzur's miniatures line; I have a bigger triceratops that I'll use as a raider or something when it's finished; I'll probably just refrain from using fly to go up on terrain that a non-flying model normally wouldn't have access to.)

I'm also working on converting up some full on Nulzur dragons to have riders. They'll probably end up acting as especially hard to hide vypers.

I like all of your ideas Do you see any problem in having giants count as grotesques?

-STS

I don't actually own one of the proper modern grotesque models, but isn't the size difference pretty noticable? Assuming you're talking about the Nulzur's giants. I could see opponents expecting them to be MCs or something. Maybe look at the troll and chaos toad models instead?

Wyldhunt wrote:
I don't actually own one of the proper modern grotesque models, but isn't the size difference pretty noticable? Assuming you're talking about the Nulzur's giants. I could see opponents expecting them to be MCs or something. Maybe look at the troll and chaos toad models instead?

Well, they are the size of Wraithlords, so I think I might just use them as a detachment of WL's. Will need a bit of work to make sure they look more wraithlord-y. Anyway, using kabalites is working out well. What is the difference between Kabalite Trueborn and regular Kabalites? This is more for army fluff.

-STS

slade the sniper wrote:

Wyldhunt wrote:
I don't actually own one of the proper modern grotesque models, but isn't the size difference pretty noticable? Assuming you're talking about the Nulzur's giants. I could see opponents expecting them to be MCs or something. Maybe look at the troll and chaos toad models instead?

Well, they are the size of Wraithlords, so I think I might just use them as a detachment of WL's. Will need a bit of work to make sure they look more wraithlord-y. Anyway, using kabalites is working out well. What is the difference between Kabalite Trueborn and regular Kabalites? This is more for army fluff.

-STS

Fluff wise? Trueborn are born through natural means, and thus have a higher social status. Regular Kabalite Warriors are drawn from Drukhari grown in amniotic tubes.