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I was looking at data sheets on wahapedia an I see all the vehicles have WS and A stats even if they don’t Have melee weapons, does that means they get to ram attack during charges? What if they actually have melee weapons for example what would be the difference between a baal predator and a battlewagon with a rolla?

So this is probably a very noobish question but thanks anyway

Models always have a Close Combat Weapon that lets them use their base profile and attacks. Page 230, 9th edition BRB.

Page 22 of the Core (basic) Rules - everything has a generic "Close combat weapon" even if there's nothing on it's datasheet.

beast_gts wrote:
Page 22 of the Core (basic) Rules - everything has a generic "Close combat weapon" even if there's nothing on it's datasheet.

To expand on this, models have this Close Combat Weapon even if they have another melee weapon, so unless the other melee weapon requires you to make some or all of your attacks with it, you're free to use the base CCW if you wish. 99% of the time you don't want to do this, but it is an option if you want to not kill the enemy unit for some reason.

So if there an actual weapon it overrides the generic always present one

Edit ok got it, I can choose which one to use but only one I guess

Page 22 of the free core rules:

"The weapons
a model is equipped with are described on its datasheet. If a model
is not equipped with any melee weapons, or if it cannot make an
attack with any of the melee weapons it is equipped with, then that
model makes its attacks using a close combat weapon, which has the
following profile:
WEAPON RANGE TYPE S AP D
Close combat weapon Melee Melee User 0 1"

in this edition you can't use the default melee weapon if you have any other eligible choices. It's only for when you have no options listed on your profile.

Kon115 wrote:
So if there an actual weapon it overrides the generic always present one

Edit ok got it, I can choose which one to use but only one I guess

No, it doesn't. It gives you choice between the two.

BCB, I disagree. My reading is that if you have any viable melee weapon option on your datasheet, you must use one of them.

Only when you don't have a weapon listed (or are forced not to use it) can you use the default weapon.

Yes, you can only use the 'default melee weapon' if you have no other melee weapon on your datasheet, or are for some reason unable to use any melee weapon that the model is equiped with. You can't choose to use it just because you want to do less damage:

Core Rules wrote:If a model is not equipped with any melee weapons, or if it cannot make an
attack with any of the melee weapons it is equipped with, then that
model makes its attacks using a close combat weapon, which has the
following profile:

patman1440 wrote:
BCB, I disagree. My reading is that if you have any viable melee weapon option on your datasheet, you must use one of them.

Only when you don't have a weapon listed (or are forced not to use it) can you use the default weapon.

Agreed. BCB has the RAW wrong here. It gives an alternative for specific circumstances, not an option you can choose.

Yes its a subtle change from 8th

From page 183 of the 8th edition rulebook:

If a datasheet does not list any melee weapons, the model is assumed to fight with a close combat weapon, which has the following profile:

Remember it was a FAQ that gave this melee weapon to models that already had a melee weapon.

Huh, how about that. They went BACK to the old rule but fixed the issues with things like Carnifex Bone Maces, which would leave them unable to attack at all except for that one bone mace attack.

My mistake, apologies. Edition lag and whatnot.

No more lightly slapping at your enemy with genestealers to keep them tied up. I approve of this change! Never let it be said I don't acknowledge when I make a oopsy-woopsy!

Vehicles are allowed to attack in close combat just like any other model, they are just generally really bad at it unless they have arms or legs or something.