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So am I right in understanding today’s preview. If you want to play blood angles, for example, you now have to buy codex space marines and codex supplement blood angles?

technically no. You could play blood angels with just the marine codex, you just wouldn't get any of the content specific to the supplement.

In practice? Yeah.

yes ,but I assumed that is how it was going to be. I am surprised that people are surprised

mrFickle wrote:
So am I right in understanding today’s preview. If you want to play blood angles, for example, you now have to buy codex space marines and codex supplement blood angles?

No, you'll be buying Codex Supplement: Blood Angels, as there isn't a Blood Angles faction (or one that previously had a Codex, anyway.)

 Dysartes wrote:

mrFickle wrote:
So am I right in understanding today’s preview. If you want to play blood angles, for example, you now have to buy codex space marines and codex supplement blood angles?

No, you'll be buying Codex Supplement: Blood Angels, as there isn't a Blood Angles faction (or one that previously had a Codex, anyway.)

Blood Angels are in the codex proper now.

The correct answer is "You only NEED codex space marine to be able to play blood angels, you just will most likely WANT the BA supplement to play blood angels."

Right so by play blood angles I mean have all the characters and specific units

I wants thought that Space wolves blood angles and dark angles had their own codex. I think DA and BA shared a codex at first.

I won’t be happy at having to do this for my DA army. I might abandoned them and just play a customer chapter.

You will need Codex Space Marines. It contains all the units available to all the space marine chapters (Grey Knights excluded). It will include the rules for selecting Blood Angels along Dark Angels, Space Wolves, and Death Watch as your chapter along with all the classic Space Marine chapters historically presented in Codex Space Marines. With possibly a few exceptions (like Black Templars can't use Psycher units), every unit in CSM will be available to all space marine chapters.

The Codex Supplements contain additional rules for items unique the specific chapter and their successor chapters including additional warlord traits, relics, stratagems, units, and Crusade rules. You will most likely want the supplement for at least access to the additional rules not to mention the chapter specific units.

For Blood Angels, the supplement is where you will find rules for the chapter characters, Sanguinary Guard, Death Company, and the like including units like Libriarian and Furioso Dreadnoughts, Baal Predators, and others assuming they are not opened up to other chapter in Codex Space Marines.

mrFickle wrote:
Right so by play blood angles I mean have all the characters and specific units

I wants thought that Space wolves blood angles and dark angles had their own codex. I think DA and BA shared a codex at first.

I won’t be happy at having to do this for my DA army. I might abandoned them and just play a customer chapter.

They have all been stand alone books the last 5-6 editions or so, but if you already have the marines codex and blood angels supplement, why not splash into the dark angels supplement as well since you have the marine codex anyway.

Presumably, a blood angle is what you'll get when you're being careless with a set square.

Dudeface wrote:

mrFickle wrote:
Right so by play blood angles I mean have all the characters and specific units

I wants thought that Space wolves blood angles and dark angles had their own codex. I think DA and BA shared a codex at first.

I won’t be happy at having to do this for my DA army. I might abandoned them and just play a customer chapter.

They have all been stand alone books the last 5-6 editions or so, but if you already have the marines codex and blood angels supplement, why not splash into the dark angels supplement as well since you have the marine codex anyway.

Because the supplements are only 2 pounds less than the SM codex. So now the cost of playing DA in 9th is almost double. Plus what ever the next lot of psychic awakening is. And vigilus and whatever. I don’t think it’s a bad system if the supplements were much cheaper. Also why have they not done this with chaos space marines, seems like the formula would work just aswell.

Sorry to get salty but I think it’s cos they know people will pay for the extra bucks for space marine rules.


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 Esmer wrote:
Presumably, a blood angle is what you'll get when you're being careless with a set square.

Love it

mrFickle wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

mrFickle wrote:
Right so by play blood angles I mean have all the characters and specific units

I wants thought that Space wolves blood angles and dark angles had their own codex. I think DA and BA shared a codex at first.

I won’t be happy at having to do this for my DA army. I might abandoned them and just play a customer chapter.

They have all been stand alone books the last 5-6 editions or so, but if you already have the marines codex and blood angels supplement, why not splash into the dark angels supplement as well since you have the marine codex anyway.

Because the supplements are only 2 pounds less than the SM codex. So now the cost of playing DA in 9th is almost double. Plus what ever the next lot of psychic awakening is. And vigilus and whatever. I don’t think it’s a bad system if the supplements were much cheaper. Also why have they not done this with chaos space marines, seems like the formula would work just aswell.

Sorry to get salty but I think it’s cos they know people will pay for the extra bucks for space marine rules.


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 Esmer wrote:
Presumably, a blood angle is what you'll get when you're being careless with a set square.

Love it

That's fair but like I say if you would have bought 2 codex before and you're still wanting to play blood angels, it's not too much worse, but running as a custom chapter might be fun anyway even if it is slightly less powerful.

mrFickle wrote:So am I right in understanding today’s preview. If you want to play blood angles, for example, you now have to buy codex space marines and codex supplement blood angles?

Only if you want the BA unique rules, just like with what the Ultramarines, Imperial Fists, Salamanders, etc etc have been doing.

You can still play BA models with the basic BA rules, but anything more specific than that, you'll be getting the supplement for.

mrFickle wrote:Right so by play blood angles I mean have all the characters and specific units

Then yes - in the same way you'd have to for Ultramarines, Imperial Fists, Salamanders, etc.

mrFickle wrote:
So am I right in understanding today’s preview. If you want to play blood angles, for example, you now have to buy codex space marines and codex supplement blood angles?

yep same as every other Chapter. Of course given the vast amount of special treatment for the Wolves and Angels - there will be more rules content than all the others combined.

Lucky that we Marine players are the only one sub faction they even bother to make supplements for.....

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

mrFickle wrote:So am I right in understanding today’s preview. If you want to play blood angles, for example, you now have to buy codex space marines and codex supplement blood angles?

Only if you want the BA unique rules, just like with what the Ultramarines, Imperial Fists, Salamanders, etc etc have been doing.

You can still play BA models with the basic BA rules, but anything more specific than that, you'll be getting the supplement for.

mrFickle wrote:Right so by play blood angles I mean have all the characters and specific units

Then yes - in the same way you'd have to for Ultramarines, Imperial Fists, Salamanders, etc.

Sure you can. And enjoy losing as others have free rules with no drawback.

Also no death company, sanquinary guard etc

It's because Space Marines are te cash cow, and GW knows it can squeeze extra dollars out of their players, which GW is trying to make literally everyone in the hobby.

I'd happily pay for a Kabal of The Flayed Skull supplement book.

I'll agree that it does suck a little bit for us snowflake Marine players (been collecting Blood Angels since 2nd ed, here). But considering how much extra we've been getting over the years compared to Xenos, Chaos etc... it's only fair. Consolidating the core of Marines together in this way is a good thing for all other players, in terms of giving the release schedule much more room for them. So it's better for the game as a whole.

I can think back to 3rd ed when we had pretty much the same thing - Codex Space Marines, and a much much smaller Codex Blood Angels that was cheaper and referred back to the main Codex when the unit was the same to save space. ...it really wasn't that bad.

Because the supplements are only 2 pounds less than the SM codex.

Er. What?!
£25 (current Marine codex) minus £17.50 (all current supplements) is £7.50. Or to put it another way, the supplements are 70% of the main Codex price.
I'll admit that's not great - it could be better - but let's not let wonky maths get in the way of a point.

Ok I thought the codex was 20

 Super Ready wrote:

Consolidating the core of Marines together in this way is a good thing for all other players, in terms of giving the release schedule much more room for them. So it's better for the game as a whole.

This is actually true. Considering that marines are getting tons of buffs (more wounds, more damage, etc...) releasing updated codexes for other armies as soon as possible becomes a top priority for the sake of the game.

At this point I just wish I'd stick with codex+supplement for my SW though. No third book with additional rules, like PA, until 10th edition.

mrFickle wrote:
Right so by play blood angles I mean have all the characters and specific units

I wants thought that Space wolves blood angles and dark angles had their own codex. I think DA and BA shared a codex at first.

I won’t be happy at having to do this for my DA army. I might abandoned them and just play a customer chapter.

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Respect for the absolutely god tier username/post combo here

 Corrode wrote:

mrFickle wrote:
Right so by play blood angles I mean have all the characters and specific units

I wants thought that Space wolves blood angles and dark angles had their own codex. I think DA and BA shared a codex at first.

I won’t be happy at having to do this for my DA army. I might abandoned them and just play a customer chapter.

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Respect for the absolutely god tier username/post combo here

Hilarious, you got me.

Sorry if I am living up to my name, but it I played around second and third edition the stopped and started again last year. So there’s a big break in there. When I was a kid I thought GW was expensive and have been gob smacked since returning how many things there are to pay for book wise. As a middle aged man I can afford all this but as a teenager I’d have been gutted to have pay twice to play DA.

The modular method here isn’t too bad and I could get behind it if A) supplements were much cheaper than they are B) this approach was taken for all the armies to allow for greater expansion of the factions

mrFickle wrote:

 Corrode wrote:

mrFickle wrote:
Right so by play blood angles I mean have all the characters and specific units

I wants thought that Space wolves blood angles and dark angles had their own codex. I think DA and BA shared a codex at first.

I won’t be happy at having to do this for my DA army. I might abandoned them and just play a customer chapter.

'
Respect for the absolutely god tier username/post combo here

Hilarious, you got me.

Sorry if I am living up to my name, but it I played around second and third edition the stopped and started again last year. So there’s a big break in there. When I was a kid I thought GW was expensive and have been gob smacked since returning how many things there are to pay for book wise. As a middle aged man I can afford all this but as a teenager I’d have been gutted to have pay twice to play DA.

The modular method here isn’t too bad and I could get behind it if A) supplements were much cheaper than they are B) this approach was taken for all the armies to allow for greater expansion of the factions

It may be. This supplement thing is in theory on the Beta test. Last edition being the Alpha, rolling it out to (almost) all loyalist marines this edition would be the beta, 10th or 11th could see it go far and wide. Or it could see it go back to the way it was without any supplements and everyone gets a unique book.

There have been supplements in the past, after a fashion. 3rd ed saw Codex: Armageddon which gave us rules for Salamanders and Black Templars, but also Steel Legion and Speed Freekz.
Later editions had some proper supplements in the form of Eldar Iyanden and Tau Farsight Enclaves - possibly a few more I'm not aware of, as this was while I drifted away from the hobby.

The thing is, it strikes me as something that never really took off the ground before. Almost like GW have repeatedly wanted to do it, but low sales meant they couldn't justify it.

mrFickle wrote:
As a middle aged man I can afford all this but as a teenager I’d have been gutted to have pay twice to play DA.

If you played during 3rd ed, then you DID pay twice to play DA. 3rd ed used the exact same method for BA, DA, and Wolves.

That blow was somewhat lessened by the Codexes themselves being smaller and cheaper, though. Twas the age of simplification, which I suspect was the big reason behind doing them as supplements in the first place.

I would have prefered buying a single Dark Angels Codex for this edition. The release of the Dark Angels Psychic Awakening book this year seems a little cynical in the light of the new Codex and Supplement. I don't begrudge spending money on books, but they should have a shelf-life of a least a year...

At the end of the day my take on this approach will depend on how it gets executed. I have a short-term perspective covering from the release of the new SM codex and then a more long-term view once our Supplement drops. I have concerns and hopes with both views.

In the short term, getting access to all the new units in a clean manner is nice. It will wrap up the baseline Doctrines in one place. From the leaked pages we'll at least get our Chapter tactic. So if you are new player then picking Dark Angels will be a simple manner. They have said that Bladeguard will get the Deathwing Keyword, but I can't think how that will really affect them. My concern is how they deal with unit DA units and stratagems between the SM Codex and the release of the Supplement. It will likely be a mess.

Long term, I imagine that our Supplement will look a lot different than the ones we have seen. I certainly hope it is better than the aforementioned 3rd Edition supplement (the darkest days of the Dark Angels). There will, hopefully, be plenty of unique units and special characters in there. How the Deathwing and Ravenwing get treated will be central to the success of this model.

Will all the rules in Psychic awakening be in these new codexes and supplements? If they weren’t and you didn’t have PA then that’s a third one you need and if they are and you already have the PA book for your army the you wasted you money. I agree a 20 pound book should last longer than a year and be more than a stop gap.

Necrons didn't get rules in Pariah outside of Szeras...but the Marine stuff outright says that it includes the PA stuff.

You wouldn't get anything in the supplements unless there was actual supplement specific rules. Things like Mephiston, Ragnar, etc will be in the supplements...but they won't reprint all of the other stuff that would be in the codex.

mrFickle 791970 10925461 wrote: I agree a 20 pound book should last longer than a year and be more than a stop gap.

Traitor Legions *sob*

mrFickle wrote:
Will all the rules in Psychic awakening be in these new codexes and supplements? If they weren’t and you didn’t have PA then that’s a third one you need and if they are and you already have the PA book for your army the you wasted you money. I agree a 20 pound book should last longer than a year and be more than a stop gap.

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