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GW gives SW Hounds of morki, a Reiver squad with SW extra bits. Its a easy way for GW to add more units without making more sculps. Will other marines receive the same, like for example Death Company Assault intercessors? Arguing about whether or not SM should get more stuff or not, is a moot point because GW will do GW regardless of what we complain about.


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SW have wulfen, BA have death company, DA have inner circle. do other SM have similar stuff fluff wise?

DA to get some variant of Blade guard Veterans, ditto Black Templars.

This isn't meant to be some Xenos whining but I'd rather like to see that approach for other factions, too, to get Trueborn back, for example.
Or use the Chaos Legion Upgrade sprues to make faction specific rules for a Nightlord unit or a Word Bearers unit.

SideSwipe wrote:
DA to get some variant of Blade guard Veterans, ditto Black Templars.

O I imagened black night outriders, and something similar for WS


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Sgt. Cortez wrote:
This isn't meant to be some Xenos whining but I'd rather like to see that approach for other factions, too, to get Trueborn back, for example.
Or use the Chaos Legion Upgrade sprues to make faction specific rules for a Nightlord unit or a Word Bearers unit.

Tyranids are said to be always evolving, and I have heard kroot can do the same too. So i don't see why other armies couldn't benefit.

Shrike having a phobos jump pack bodyguard with lightning claws

Blood angels getting assault intercessor death company is IMHO almost given, the ONLY question is if they'll be a stand alone unit, or if death company intercessors will be a bit like veteran intercessors.

that said death watch AREN'T getting a new unit (beyond gravis and phobos squads) so it would seem to not be garnteed

BrianDavion wrote:
Blood angels getting assault intercessor death company is IMHO almost given, the ONLY question is if they'll be a stand alone unit, or if death company intercessors will be a bit like veteran intercessors.

that said death watch AREN'T getting a new unit (beyond gravis and phobos squads) so it would seem to not be garnteed

Damn I didn't notice DW got squat regarding "new" units

 Jimbobbyish wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
Blood angels getting assault intercessor death company is IMHO almost given, the ONLY question is if they'll be a stand alone unit, or if death company intercessors will be a bit like veteran intercessors.

that said death watch AREN'T getting a new unit (beyond gravis and phobos squads) so it would seem to not be garnteed

Damn I didn't notice DW got squat regarding "new" units

they DID get their new kill teams, which, from a rules pov would have required as much work (or likely more) then the hounds of Morkai or a death company assault intercessor would

BrianDavion wrote:
Blood angels getting assault intercessor death company is IMHO almost given, the ONLY question is if they'll be a stand alone unit, or if death company intercessors will be a bit like veteran intercessors.

Judging by the temporary index, it'll be one Death Company Intercessors entry, with the option to swap bolters for pistol and chainsword. Best way to handle it, if you ask me.

Something that was touched on in another thread recently - despite a brand new Codex and tons of new units, Necrons still only have 2 Troops units. I'd quite like to see something that converts one of the existing ones into a Canoptek variant - given the Canoptek's trend for spider limbs, I'm thinking it would have to be an assault variant rather than something holding a gun in the traditional manner.

Side thought - Eldar kind of had this approach tested out a while back already! When Wraithguard got diversified into Wraithblades as well.

 Super Ready wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
Blood angels getting assault intercessor death company is IMHO almost given, the ONLY question is if they'll be a stand alone unit, or if death company intercessors will be a bit like veteran intercessors.

Judging by the temporary index, it'll be one Death Company Intercessors entry, with the option to swap bolters for pistol and chainsword. Best way to handle it, if you ask me.

Something that was touched on in another thread recently - despite a brand new Codex and tons of new units, Necrons still only have 2 Troops units. I'd quite like to see something that converts one of the existing ones into a Canoptek variant - given the Canoptek's trend for spider limbs, I'm thinking it would have to be an assault variant rather than something holding a gun in the traditional manner.

Side thought - Eldar kind of had this approach tested out a while back already! When Wraithguard got diversified into Wraithblades as well.

ahh I missed the death company assault intercessors are already a thing, nice catch.

most likely that'll be it, unless GW decides they want assault Death company to get the honor the chapter strat

As a DE player who hasn't had a new unit in like 10 years I would jump for joy if they gave us some new units from existing kits.

ryuken87 wrote:
As a DE player who hasn't had a new unit in like 10 years I would jump for joy if they gave us some new units from existing kits.

trueborn kit with more dakka?
Moar dakka is allways good and it would be easy to just use the kabalites with some upgrade sprue..

ditto chosen.

"regimental upgrade" sprues for all the guard regiments, in the same style as the GSC brood brothers sprue. some new heads, a few accessories, etc, maybe a new torso or two.

that way, you can covert your standard cadian or catachans into tallarn, valhallans, mordians ect. Its not as good as full plastic kits but its better than the current availability of absolutely nothing.

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
This isn't meant to be some Xenos whining but I'd rather like to see that approach for other factions, too, to get Trueborn back, for example.
Or use the Chaos Legion Upgrade sprues to make faction specific rules for a Nightlord unit or a Word Bearers unit.

The option to turn Chosen into Terror Squads would be nice. Infiltration and Preferred Enemy: infantry being the key rules for them.

They can do it with every unit. Salamander upgrade sprue+ aggresors, special unique aggressorr unit.
Iron hands upgrade sprue+heavy intercessors,another unique unit type. Eliminators+RG, Bladeguard and DA etc etc.

Avoid not the no new model no new rules, lets them give new primaris units to different sub factions without them spilling over in to all armies. And they don't need special investments to do them either, as the upgrade sprues already exist.


GW can even make more less known chapters. WD minotaur index comes with rules for a minotaur upgrade sprue+melee intercessors that only they can use. Limitless options to make new units. And after a year they can consolidate all the rules in a CA book , so people that want to use them have to buy it, because of some minor rules change or stream line.

I actually really like addition of new units. Add unique entry in codex only requiring some bits, allows writers to plug hole in lineup, GW to make said unit properly later, and people who like to convert and add character to armies can make it truly special instead of being forced into tiny handful of existing units. You can also spot lazy WAAAC types who just dunked reivers in nuln oil pretty easily as a bonus

BrianDavion wrote:
that said death watch AREN'T getting a new unit (beyond gravis and phobos squads) so it would seem to not be garnteed

You can thank two writers behind DW being incompetent who always find ways to nerf the army in more and more stupid ways.

BrianDavion wrote:
they DID get their new kill teams, which, from a rules pov would have required as much work (or likely more) then the hounds of Morkai or a death company assault intercessor would

Technically yes, but all the new kill teams did was making all existing primaris kill teams illegal, heavily nerfed all of them at once, and introduced some dumb inconsistences and interactions that make no sense (like reivers and infiltrators granting their special rule to whole unit, but incursors are on model basis only despite their rule being logically easiest to share...). Like, there is zero point in intercessor kill team right now, because the unit is totally obsolete and the squatmarine kill teams can't actually take blackshields, their iconic member

Yeah death watch looks like a real dog's breakfest sadly :(

You can also spot lazy WAAAC types who just dunked reivers in nuln oil pretty easily as a bonus

no WAAC type in his right mind would take the Hounds they're WAAAAAAAAY too situational

BrianDavion wrote:
no WAAC type in his right mind would take the Hounds they're WAAAAAAAAY too situational

Eh, yes, I was speaking more about mindset that leds people to proclaim their 2nd edition unpainted beaky army is now totally all primaris or that ancient metal nurgle demon prince dipped in wood stainer totally counts as fully painted great unclean one, with new stats of course.

Sorry, I'll play even the most OP army as long as it's fluffy or well painted, just hate lazy no effort power spam. Especially when your nice themed army gets bad rep because people slap 4 unpainted recast leviathans in tournaments and that's somehow totally representative power level of the faction

 Jimbobbyish wrote:
GW gives SW Hounds of morki, a Reiver squad with SW extra bits. Its a easy way for GW to add more units without making more sculps. Will other marines receive the same, like for example Death Company Assault intercessors? Arguing about whether or not SM should get more stuff or not, is a moot point because GW will do GW regardless of what we complain about.


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SW have wulfen, BA have death company, DA have inner circle. do other SM have similar stuff fluff wise?

Ultras Have Tyrranic War Vets. Sometimes. Sometimes they're just tactical marines or Sternguard with fancy paint jobs. Recently they've had Honor Guard, and Victrix Guard. The appear to be the test bed for body guard units. If/When they do the next UM vs Nid campaign we may see Intercessors become TWV. I'd like to see some TWV Assault Intercessors. The TWV rules with force feeding grenades to monsters wasn't bad, but it's gone. Giving them something against monsters (not just Nids) is a nice touch.

Most of the chapters have some sort of fluffy thing - and often more ceremonial than anything else - without a rules designation or entry most of which can be represented by one of the unit data sheets already. Even Breacher Squads of 30K can be represented now with Company Vets. Storm Shield + gun. And yes, I am absolutely working in my head on how to model someone holding a Storm Shield and a Grav Cannon. It won't last long, but it does make me laugh imaging 3 company vets with meltaguns and storm shields shaking their head at Bob and Joe marching to the beat of their own drum.

Way way way back when,

BA had Veteran Assault Marines. They were the jumpy chapter

DA had Terminators. They were the Terminator Chapter

UM had Veteran Tactical Marines - they were the red headed step child.

SW had Wolf Guard and Blood Claw Bikes.

Anyone remember Black Guardians in Craftworld? Heck, they're still on the site.

 Charistoph wrote:
Anyone remember Black Guardians in Craftworld? Heck, they're still on the site.

they where ressurected for 7th edition and added to the site then. I expect we'll see them again in the 9E CWE codex. assuming GW doesn't decide CWE have eneugh support for supplements and puts them in the supplement