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2020/11/09 17:06:11
Subject: Should BA/SW/DA/DW have unique datasheets to represent their unique units ?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Should BA/SW/DA/DW have unique datasheets to represent their unique units ?
I am actually curious to see what the majority of people think.
Also, as a point of clarification the word "unique" means "different from and not shared with other sub factions/the faction as a whole." This includes datasheets like TWC, Wulfen, Sanguinary Gaurd, Librarian Dreadnaught, Death Company Marines, Deathwing Knights, Nephlim Jetfighter, and etc.
For the purposes of this poll a "unique datasheet" is not a replacement datasheet shared by all sub factions that has a plethora of customization lumping these unique units together. For the purposes of this poll this would not be considered a unique datasheet but rather an incredibly customizable none-unique datasheet.
This poll is derived from countless pages on other threads and because of that I personally am only interested in the poll and not further discussion (as I think myself and many others involved in those other threads are tired of arguing circularly).
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This message was edited 3 times. Last update was at 2020/11/09 17:09:28
As an aside, as "infinite" rolls is actually impossible even if the FAQ "allows" it, then it will always be a non-zero chance to pass them all. Eventually the two players will die. If they pass the game on to their decendents, they too will eventually die. And, at the end of it all, the universe will experience heat death and it, too, will die. In the instance of "infinite" hits, we're talking more of functional infinity, rather than literal.
RAW you can't pass the game onto descendants, permissive ruleset. Unless we get an FAQ from GW.
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2020/11/09 17:31:42
Subject: Should BA/SW/DA/DW have unique datasheets to represent their unique units ?
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Killer Klaivex
The dark behind the eyes.
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I'd have to look at it on a case-by-case basis but I'd suggest that at least some "unique" dataslates could reasonably be consolidated with others.
However, it would likely depend on the overall goal.
Is the idea to just make it easier to merge SM subfactions into a single book? Or would the intent be to reduce the differences between subfactions, allowing more units to be effectively shared between them?
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 blood reaper wrote:I will respect human rights and trans people but I will never under any circumstances use the phrase 'folks' or 'ya'll'. I would rather be killed by firing squad.
 the_scotsman wrote:Yeah, when i read the small novel that is the Death Guard unit options and think about resolving the attacks from a melee-oriented min size death guard squad, the thing that springs to mind is "Accessible!"
 Argive wrote:GW seems to have a crystal ball and just pulls hairbrained ideas out of their backside for the most part.
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"Prepare to open fire at that towering Wraithknight!"
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 insaniak wrote:
You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.
Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet.
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2020/11/09 17:37:17
Subject: Should BA/SW/DA/DW have unique datasheets to represent their unique units ?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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 vipoid wrote:I'd have to look at it on a case-by-case basis but I'd suggest that at least some "unique" dataslates could reasonably be consolidated with others.
However, it would likely depend on the overall goal.
Is the idea to just make it easier to merge SM subfactions into a single book? Or would the intent be to reduce the differences between subfactions, allowing more units to be effectively shared between them?
I don't know, its an overall question. The intent of keeping or not keeping unique datasheets for the sub factions is irrelevant to the question. Just trying to find out whether or not people think they should exist and to what capacity. If you have a good reason to think they shouldn't, should, or anything in between, vote accordingly. And of course feel free to outline the justification towards your vote in the thread if you feel like it shapes why you voted the way you did. Or keep anonymous , totally up to you  .
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2020/11/09 17:38:55
As an aside, as "infinite" rolls is actually impossible even if the FAQ "allows" it, then it will always be a non-zero chance to pass them all. Eventually the two players will die. If they pass the game on to their decendents, they too will eventually die. And, at the end of it all, the universe will experience heat death and it, too, will die. In the instance of "infinite" hits, we're talking more of functional infinity, rather than literal.
RAW you can't pass the game onto descendants, permissive ruleset. Unless we get an FAQ from GW.
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2020/11/09 19:20:51
Subject: Re:Should BA/SW/DA/DW have unique datasheets to represent their unique units ?
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Arch Magos w/ 4 Meg of RAM
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we just had a thread locked because we spent 30+ pages giving our opinions on the subject, you're just trying to restart that conversation in another thread.
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2020/11/09 19:24:08
Subject: Should BA/SW/DA/DW have unique datasheets to represent their unique units ?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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VladimirHerzog wrote:we just had a thread locked because we spent 30+ pages giving our opinions on the subject, you're just trying to restart that conversation in another thread.
Type40 wrote:Should BA/SW/DA/DW have unique datasheets to represent their unique units ?
I am actually curious to see what the majority of people think.
This poll is derived from countless pages on other threads and because of that I personally am only interested in the poll and not further discussion (as I think myself and many others involved in those other threads are tired of arguing circularly).
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As an aside, as "infinite" rolls is actually impossible even if the FAQ "allows" it, then it will always be a non-zero chance to pass them all. Eventually the two players will die. If they pass the game on to their decendents, they too will eventually die. And, at the end of it all, the universe will experience heat death and it, too, will die. In the instance of "infinite" hits, we're talking more of functional infinity, rather than literal.
RAW you can't pass the game onto descendants, permissive ruleset. Unless we get an FAQ from GW.
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2020/11/09 19:31:52
Subject: Should BA/SW/DA/DW have unique datasheets to represent their unique units ?
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
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A lot of the "unique units" ought to be covered by something more like 30k's unique equipment options.
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2020/11/09 19:46:45
Subject: Should BA/SW/DA/DW have unique datasheets to represent their unique units ?
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
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Yes, GW should release a datasheet along with each unique kit that they choose to make. Some kits are limited to a particular subfaction choice, some to no subfaction choice. This is fine.
On the flip side, however, GW has seemingly been moving away from representing subfactions using "wargear minutia" outside of relics, traits, etc. The identity of Evil Sunz is no longer represented by a wargear upgrade you buy that grants you +1" movement from red paint, that's in the subfaction trait that you get for the army subfaction.
The "Unique Units" that I feel ought to just go the way of the dodo are stuff like "our scouts get plasma guns because....reasons" or "our assault marines get more meltas because...reasons". If GW actually makes a kit for a thing, fine, BA tactical squad box kit exists and there's a heavy flamer bit in there, BA tactical squads can have heavy flamers.
General principle I'm against people losing rules support for the stuff they've purchased. I care a whole lot less about people losing rule support for stuff that never existed, particularly because the vast vast vast vast majority of that stuff that people get up in arms about losing is stuff that powergamers found hidden in and amongst the minutia of the codex back in 5th edition or whatever and then subsequently demanded be kept.
Nearly all of the factions in the game have already given up their No Model No Rules content. Time for marines to follow the same standard.5th edition style ultra freeform army construction is dead.
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"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!" |
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2020/11/09 19:49:32
Subject: Should BA/SW/DA/DW have unique datasheets to represent their unique units ?
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Veteran Wolf Guard Squad Leader
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As a space wolf player, yes. I like my unique units. I don't want my Grey Hunters to be exactly the same as tactical marines.
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2020/11/09 19:57:53
Subject: Should BA/SW/DA/DW have unique datasheets to represent their unique units ?
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Making Stuff
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I don't think there's anything to be gained by immediately restarting a discussion that had clearly run its course.
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