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As the title suggests, which regiment would you like to see in plastic?

With FW bring pulled in so many different directions and the near universal popularity of the Korps line it would make sense to shift it over to plastic.

A futile wish probably (even though Wargames Atlantic demonstrates how easily it can be done), but longcoats with Valhallan, Armageddon and Krieg heads.

Alternatively, flak armor bodies with Cadian, Tallarn and Praetorian heads.

I think the future guard kit will be a $60 box of Cadians that will include 5 different sets of heads (Cadian helmets, Mordian caps, maybe Vostroyan bearskins, a gasmask head, and probably a headgearless head or something) and and 2 different sets of legs (one short jacket one greatcoat). Torso, arms, weapons, and equipment will be standardized and the head/jacket combo will determine which regiment you're playing.

I forsee the existing regiments either getting facelifts (Mordians = Cadians with cap style heads and short jackets) or being replaced entirely (Tallarn swapped out with, er... Yallarn.... guardsmen who have the same basic playstyle but a different name and are built from the same kit but with the bare heads and short jackets or something).

chaos0xomega wrote:
I forsee the existing regiments either getting facelifts (Mordians = Cadians with cap style heads and short jackets)

There's some precedent for this- GW's newer Tallarn artwork has portrayed their uniform as much closer to that of Cadians, having the same tunic design rather than Bedouin-esque robes.

The choices in the OP don't include what I would vote for, which is resurrecting Jes Goodwin's old concept art:



Similar vibe to the Death Korps, but not overtly based on a historical influence (DKoK being basically 1918 poilus with stahlhelms), so easier to protect copyright as an original design.

Realistically? Cadians. IRRC the 8E codex even straight up wrote that guard regiments across the galaxy began adopting cadian gears as standards after the fall of Cadia.

What I (naively) hope for tho, is that they'd produce a kit that contain modular bits that can be made into trenchcoats, face bits that can slot to the head bit so they can be assembled as masked or unmasked, and even helmeted or not (all it'd take is for there to be 10 head faceless parts with the top cut off, so either hair, bald head, or helmet can be glued on. I swear, I played with 1/35 military models that did the helmet thing). That'd also allow for different types of helmets, which can be a mid-height Ushanka, a cadian helmet, or bald/hair (a few with bandanas or hats and a few don't). Krieg and Elysian will be left for FW, corporal division management and all that.

The downside is that the body poses will be limited, essentially monoposes, to save spruce estate; but that's exactly where we are at with the Tempestus kit anyway.

 bullyboy wrote:
As the title suggests, which regiment would you like to see in plastic?

Voted for original. Based on the Roman murmillo gladiator. Murmillo in upper right corner

Torso armor would be needed: moving away from a flak jacket, a simple cuirass for the rank and file, with decorated ones for officers.

However, I doubt GW will launch a completely new look for the IG. At best they'll revamp the Cadians with an eye to making the core as flexible as possible so they can keep production costs down and use the same basic sprues for all the guard kits, adding special sprues as needed.

Vostroyans are the best designed regiment GW has ever produced so thats my vote.

They aren't a pop-culture copypasta cliché like Cadians or Catachan or Elysians, and they aren't a historical regiment copypasta like Krieg, Mordians, Praetorians, Steel Legion, etc...

They are the perfect mixt of historical influences with a proper dystopian/steampunk 40k vybe.

I'd say Catachans because we've seen two officer sculpts already.

Tallarn got my vote as they are one of my favourite guard regiments, but ideally I just want something with multiple customisation options so you can easily go for any regiment with the box. Or mix and match for a homebrew.

Should GW re-do Cadians, they are so going to split the models vertically rather than by appendages to make them as un-modifiable as possible.

 Galas wrote:
They aren't a pop-culture copypasta cliché like Cadians or Catachan or Elysians,

What are Elysians a copypasta of? (Not being snarky, I'm asking in good faith.)

I voted for Tallarn, as I like desert-themed armies and the Middle Eastern aesthetic. But I do agree Vostroyans are visually amazing and have nice fluff as well (aside from the fluff of their hats).

 Esmer wrote:
Should GW re-do Cadians, they are so going to split the models vertically rather than by appendages to make them as un-modifiable as possible.

ha ha ha *sob*

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Elysians are just modern paratroopers basically.
But thats why they're my favourite, and I lament that FW dumped them :(

As much as I would love a new infantry kit with options to make all the different regiments, I just can't see it happening.
Plus, whatever they put out will likely be £30-£35 and therefore would make Imperial Guard a very expensive army to collect. More so than it already is.

Hard to say really, IG had/have a lot of nice regiments. But personally I like the historically themed ones so take your pick of Krieg/Mordian/Valhallan/Vostrayan. Probably Krieg because kitbashing them into DG cultist seems like a nice thing to do.

I'd like to see a kit that can do modern-like or greatcoat, with a half-dozen different head designs.

What we'll get - Cadians as tall as Primaris.

Kreig dude. A whole army of dudes in trench coats and gas masks...Very sweet.

I would say Steel Legion or DKoK. Steel Legion is on one of the crazier warzones of Armageddon, which has relevance for Xenos, Chaos and the Imperials since it's currently a 3-way free-for-all after the great rift. They have the greatcoat base that people desperately want and it matches the world war retro style that GW like IG to ape. DKoK is another big one, for similar reasons except they have an entire line that has proven to be popular.

Ideally they update both the Cadian and Catachan and introduce either Steel Legion or DKoK as another plastic core kit, but knowing GW, they only ever do gratuitous releases like this for SM.

I'd love/fear a new catachan box. If I had to guess given the two recent catachan characters the colonel and the lady Sgt, GW must think catachan are more popular.

I'd really love to see a new guard kit "reguardless"

The thing is, GW will want a look they can claim as their IP and that will hold up in court. Also, it must be a look which cannot be kit-bashed cheaper using historicals (which is why I did not vote for Praetorians or Valhallans as in the poll since between historical and 3rd party manufacturers that is covered). That also rules out my murmillo suggestion because it's public domain imagery. (Actually, Anvil Industries has the bits already, which is what inspired me. I may buy a squad from them for Kill Team.)

Voted Steel Legion, but honestly I wouldn't mind seeing any of the above. Though knowing GW it will be as other posters noted super expensive and the sprues will be cut in such a way that simple arm swaps etc will be difficult. If the price is right I'd buy it, but when I can get, what, 20? 24? models out of a Wargames Atlantic box that captures the feel pretty well, for about the price that GW currently asks for 10 Cadians...

Ancestral Hamster- I believe that GW already considered gladiator type IG regiments. IIRC there is a page or 2 in the third edition IG book with some variant regiments (including praetorians). I don't have the book but if someone could fact check me that would be great.

Real-talk:
I fully expect, if this is to happen, that we see Cadians and Catachans redone as a way to gauge the interest levels. I'd also expect to see Heavy Weapon Teams changed out to something that's more 'single man' for the most part, with Heavy Weapon Squads remaining a thing but being treated like some armies treat their vehicles--buy a unit, get to push them out all over the place.

If the whole GW freakout thing over IP is the route they are taking, I'm actually hoping they create something new. Those Jes Goodwin designs that Catbarf posted up earlier would be awesome. I've never cared for the Cadians, hopefully they'll go in favour of something else.

 catbarf wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
I forsee the existing regiments either getting facelifts (Mordians = Cadians with cap style heads and short jackets)

There's some precedent for this- GW's newer Tallarn artwork has portrayed their uniform as much closer to that of Cadians, having the same tunic design rather than Bedouin-esque robes.

IIRC, theres more precedent than that. In ye olden days the intent was that all guard used the cadian kit as a baseline and then there would be head/arm/leg swap bits to change them out to represent different regiments. Fluffwise it was originally intended that the Cadian uniform was supposed to basically be the stock/standard Department Munitorum issue uniform that was used by the majority of the guard regiments, and then some distinguished regiments/worlds were set apart by different headgear or lasgun patterns, etc. For whatever reason that never really materialized.


Also, thinking about it, I think Catachans will probably be getting lots of love soon. Various GW designers, sculptors, etc. have said that its rare for the design studio to do one off models for a faction, and that almost everything is sculpted as part of a larger batch of minis all belonging to the same faction as it allows the sculptors to focus on certain aesthetic elements and design aspects for the kits and get into the "groove" with their work (and only a fraction of that larger batch is ever released in one go and that theres usually a large amount of stuff put aside for a future release). We've seen 2 or 3 one-off Catachan minis released in the past year or two, which to me implies the existence of a larger pool of unreleased Catachan kits waiting for their day in the sun.

 bullyboy wrote:
As the title suggests, which regiment would you like to see in plastic?

None. I'd like to see a single joint kit that cant build all/most of them.

It wouldn't be hard.

You need:
10 torsos, as present, cut at the waistbelt, 5m/5f
10 lasgun arm pairs
1 laspistol/chainsword arm pair
1 of each special weapon arm pair
10 shortcoat legs
10 longcoat legs
10 modern helmeted heads
10 fur hat heads
10 gas mask+stahlhem heads
10 headwrap heads.
10 capped heads


And there, you've got yourself every regiment except Catachan, an can mix and match styles to make the custom regiment you always wanted. A ton of heads on a sprue isn't an obstacle, the Sisters set has like 35, the space wolves one has like, 25. The only thing is having 20 leg pieces, most kits chose legs as the component-limited piece, but nothing stops it from having the torsos being the component limited piece instead. It's not like it would make a difference for the Guard.

You could even just do "regiment upgrade sprues" for the more specific ones like the furry valhallan ushanka hats or the tallarnian headwraps that comes with like 50 of the appropriate head.

Leo_the_Rat wrote:
Ancestral Hamster- I believe that GW already considered gladiator type IG regiments. IIRC there is a page or 2 in the third edition IG book with some variant regiments (including praetorians). I don't have the book but if someone could fact check me that would be great.

You are correct. It is "page 29" by my count as the fluff section in the middle has no page numbers. However, this does not mean they actually considered the idea. That section shows many IG regiments, those they actually made at the time but many more they do not make, such as the Remusian gladiator, the all woman regiment from Xenonia (which looks like Xena, warrior princess, with a plumed helmet), or the Woad Warriors of Tangax, who are stark naked except for the woad painted on their bodies. The intent of that section was to show the diversity of the IG regiments recruited by the Imperium, not a blueprint for further IG kits. [Or is there a market for 28mm plastic naked men with las-rifles and detailed genitals? If there is I doubt GW wants to capture it, not while they are trying to carve a niche in the mainstream market with offerings in Barnes & Nobles.]

Penal Legion...

Colonel Schaeffer's Last Chancers comes to mind here - though it was only a 12 man squad, the idea was that the Last Chancers was a collection of individuals from one of the many Punishment Armies around the Imperium.

-Guardsman- wrote:What are Elysians a copypasta of? (Not being snarky, I'm asking in good faith.)

Elysians are, thematically, styled after paratrooper units. Their fluff is basically a recreation of Operation Market Garden in every battle, where they drop and inflict severe damage but are cut off and lack support and get wiped out.

Visually, they're pretty distinctive so I'm not sure what the person you replied to is talking about; they're probably the most unique of the Guard regiments. I've never seen any airborne unit IRL with their style of angular armor or HALO drop gear.

chaos0xomega wrote:IIRC, theres more precedent than that. In ye olden days the intent was that all guard used the cadian kit as a baseline and then there would be head/arm/leg swap bits to change them out to represent different regiments. Fluffwise it was originally intended that the Cadian uniform was supposed to basically be the stock/standard Department Munitorum issue uniform that was used by the majority of the guard regiments, and then some distinguished regiments/worlds were set apart by different headgear or lasgun patterns, etc. For whatever reason that never really materialized.

I'd be interested to see a source on that- I've got an old White Dwarf issue where Steel Legion minis were actually used to represent Cadians fighting in a desert. The impression I got was that the correlation between particular models and regiments was a lot looser than it currently is.

Voted Cadian, even though Steel Legion are my favourite and I think Vostroyans are perhaps the most uniquely 40k regiment that aren't just historicals/pop culture with lasguns (Cossack vibes are part of rather than the entirety of their look). At the end of the day as much as people often bemoan the vanilla poster boys of each faction, I think the main line of a faction should be kind of basic, as it's easier to add to a kit (as people often do at the moment) than remove parts. And ask for too much and the kits will be far too expensive for a box worth 50 odd points on the tabletop.

That being said asking for anything from GW these days is a real monkey's paw. New Cadians will look like a Kopinski drawings come to life, but will be de facto monopose models that are half an inch taller than all preceding guard models. Best to keep headswapping Cadians or hunting old pewter lots on Ebay . At least they could concievably fit in a Chimera

Sort of anyway.

Something either new, or an updated version of the original plastics, along the lines of the kill team rogue trader models.

Armor and gear standardized along which Forge World produces the kit makes a lot more sense than distinct planetary 'uniforms.'

The current regimental system is a mess, and the cartoon versions of real life influences needs to go.