10th Edition Rumour Roundup - in the grim darkness of the far future, there are only power levels

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**Shakalooloo**

Having ranged and melee datasheets for Tyranid Warriors doubles the number of broods that can be taken in the 3x/6x limitations.

**EviscerationPlague**

Shakalooloo wrote:
Having ranged and melee datasheets for Tyranid Warriors doubles the number of broods that can be taken in the 3x/6x limitations.

Nobody is taking 12 squads of Warriors, this is an absurd defense.

**Insularum**

Sternguard bolt rifle is actually better than the "upgrade" to combi-weapon against almost anything. Only common scenario CW comes out on top seems to be against very heavy infantry (T5 and up, 2+ save), after making a normal move and ending within 12" of target. Standing still, advancing, shooting at long range, any other target profile, basic rifle wins.

**Lord Damocles**

Never mind

**Tyran**

The possibility with having different datasheets for melee Warriors is that historically ranged Warriors were always better.

So by making melee Warriors their own thing they can give them better melee profiles to balance the lack of ranged weapons.

But you know what they say about GW, never misses a chance to miss a chance.

**EviscerationPlague**

Insularum wrote:
Sternguard bolt rifle is actually better than the "upgrade" to combi-weapon against almost anything. Only common scenario CW comes out on top seems to be against very heavy infantry (T5 and up, 2+ save), after making a normal move and ending within 12" of target. Standing still, advancing, shooting at long range, any other target profile, basic rifle wins.

Reddit calculated it and yeah, Combi-Weapon is basically 100% a miss.

As long as Sternguard keep their other heavy weapons (and sarge weapons) I'm definitely wanting to do a 1st Company based list because the benefits Sternguard have will trump any extra OC value other units might carry.

**bullyboy**

Voss wrote:
Tsagualsa wrote:
Shadow Walker wrote:
So 1 box of Leviathan does not give you a legal Ripper Swarms unit as you need 3 bases minimum.

It also gives you an Apothecary leader unit with no squad he can actually join

That's ok, the neurogaunts have nodebeasts which... don't have any rules. They're limited to 1-2, but no indication why.

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I really hate the LT. Anti-[Faction] is a concept I despise, and it doesn't even make him good against tyranids. Yay, ~3 wounds with no AP. Scary guy. A small touch of harassment with his gun, and a small reroll 1s bubble that he might well scuttle away with. Seems like conversion fodder for a different type of lieutenant.

Sternguard look really good though. I don't know that I'd want to swap into combi weapons. Losing a shot each, BS AND AP, plus assault and heavy for anti-infantry mortals wound is a pretty big trade.

Phobos Lt is really the only dude I want from the box. Granted, been my favorite marine line since Primaris dropped.

No idea why combi weapon on sternguard hits on a 4+. Weird choice.

**Voss**

No idea why combi weapon on sternguard hits on a 4+. Weird choice.

Near as I can figure, its legacy. The old -1 to hit if firing both barrels.

Its pretty hideous in comparison (standard can go stationary and hit on 2+, and innately has more shots), however, so it seems overly punishing.

Edit- removed tired math example. Ignore.

**Hamburger Helper**

bullyboy wrote:

No idea why combi weapon on sternguard hits on a 4+. Weird choice.

I suppose to emulate the 9e rule of -1 to hit when firing both profiles. Not sure why they would give you less shots though.

Edit: I agree with Voss. I think the multi-part kit is going to be very versatile.

**The Red Hobbit**

The campaign seems pretty neat. Shame it requires a code from the leviathan box.

**Overread**

I think that's just a fair way to try and ensure people actually take part and don't just spam GW with a billion emails from random emails to skew the results.

It also opens it up to club, 3rd party and home games so not just games happening in GW stores. So its quite inclusive.

**MajorWesJanson**

Insularum wrote:
Sternguard bolt rifle is actually better than the "upgrade" to combi-weapon against almost anything. Only common scenario CW comes out on top seems to be against very heavy infantry (T5 and up, 2+ save), after making a normal move and ending within 12" of target. Standing still, advancing, shooting at long range, any other target profile, basic rifle wins.

Anti-Infantry + Devastating wounds means mortals vs Infantry on a 4+

**Skywave**

The split of two Warriors datasheet is most likely because of the design they have going now. Each units have a unique ability, so that allows them to cater that ability to melee and shooting on the unit that needs it. Instead of having one catch-all ability that might be a bit less useful on one of the two roles (or a bit too good to benefit in both phase).

I'm fine with that. I have melee warriors and shooty warriors already, so they'll have their own datasheet

**ERJAK**

EviscerationPlague wrote:
Shakalooloo wrote:
Having ranged and melee datasheets for Tyranid Warriors doubles the number of broods that can be taken in the 3x/6x limitations.

Nobody is taking 12 squads of Warriors, this is an absurd defense.

Counter argument; but what if I WANT to?

**tneva82**

Do we know they even have battleline? Maybe gw doesn't want too much spamming so no 4-6 shooty warriors.

**EightFoldPath**

I like the split on the Tyranid Warriors and I'm very much hoping they do the same for the Tzaangor Enlightened in TSons, I want 3 units with spears and 3 with bows!

MajorWesJanson wrote:
I'm going to guess the recruit edition will be 5 flamer and the Terminator captain vs 10 gants and the winged prime. Elite edition could add the terminator squad and the screamer killer, command edition with terrain on top.

The smallest box in 9th was Lieutenant + 5 Assault Intercessors vs. Necron Lieutenant + 10 Warriors, so odds are it will be the Phobos Lieutenant. Not sure on the Tyranid side who is the "Captain" and who is the "Lieutenant".

**bullyboy**

EightFoldPath wrote:
I like the split on the Tyranid Warriors and I'm very much hoping they do the same for the Tzaangor Enlightened in TSons, I want 3 units with spears and 3 with bows!

MajorWesJanson wrote:
I'm going to guess the recruit edition will be 5 flamer and the Terminator captain vs 10 gants and the winged prime. Elite edition could add the terminator squad and the screamer killer, command edition with terrain on top.

The smallest box in 9th was Lieutenant + 5 Assault Intercessors vs. Necron Lieutenant + 10 Warriors, so odds are it will be the Phobos Lieutenant. Not sure on the Tyranid side who is the "Captain" and who is the "Lieutenant".

Isn’t the Phobos Lt locked into a bigger sprue?

This will be the only reason I’ll get the box if I can’t get him separately

**MajorWesJanson**

EightFoldPath wrote:
I like the split on the Tyranid Warriors and I'm very much hoping they do the same for the Tzaangor Enlightened in TSons, I want 3 units with spears and 3 with bows!

MajorWesJanson wrote:
I'm going to guess the recruit edition will be 5 flamer and the Terminator captain vs 10 gants and the winged prime. Elite edition could add the terminator squad and the screamer killer, command edition with terrain on top.

The smallest box in 9th was Lieutenant + 5 Assault Intercessors vs. Necron Lieutenant + 10 Warriors, so odds are it will be the Phobos Lieutenant. Not sure on the Tyranid side who is the "Captain" and who is the "Lieutenant".

The Lieutenant and Apothecary are part of the sternguard sprue, so they cant be in small boxes. Terminator Captain and Winged Tryrant share connected sprues. The Terminator Librarian is separate, and the Neurothrope and Screamer killer are on a single sprue, so it could be those models for elite + command editions

**tneva82**

Well the sprue will be available separately. At silly price

**Scottywan82**

Voss wrote:
Yawn.

Datasheets, please.

I've got squads I want to finish but need to want to be sure of the arbitrary gear restrictions.

Also want to settle on a faction or two for the edition, but need to see if they fit my playstyle and model preferences.

Exactly this. They need to just cut to the chase already.

**Not Online!!!**

tneva82 wrote:
Do we know they even have battleline? Maybe gw doesn't want too much spamming so no 4-6 shooty warriors.

warriors were historically speaking afaik always troops?`

**tneva82**

Been troops, been elites but now as there's no minimum it's all about how many units gw wants to see. Maybe they don't want somebody to spam 6 shooty warrior unit

**Scottywan82**

The Power Cosmic wrote:
I really hate all the restrictions. Characters joining units, psychic powers, weapon options. I'll be skipping everything 10th edition-related, thanks.

That's about where I am with this nonsense. It's so ridiculously arbitrary.

**vipoid**

I'll be honest, I'm really not liking the new formatting of dataslates.

There's so much wasted space on both sides of each card that you're left scrolling through an awful lot of nothing in the PDF.

This is equally problematic when it comes to the 'card' aspect. With games like Warmachine, the cards are actually card-sized. Thus, it's not too hard to find room to put them. These, on the other hand, require each player to have several square feet of space to actually use them as intended.

**Sotahullu**

Im going to wait for when indexes comes around so I can then tell how it is going to work.

Sternguard combi-guns I expect being different from Leviathan as there has been mention of combi-gun list.

**Daedalus81**

The Power Cosmic wrote:
I really hate all the restrictions. Characters joining units, psychic powers, weapon options. I'll be skipping everything 10th edition-related, thanks.

...you're...welcome?

**Mixzremixzd**

Man I feel like a fiend just waiting for Necron points to be released so I can plan my painting line

**EightFoldPath**

MajorWesJanson wrote:
EightFoldPath wrote:
I like the split on the Tyranid Warriors and I'm very much hoping they do the same for the Tzaangor Enlightened in TSons, I want 3 units with spears and 3 with bows!

MajorWesJanson wrote:
I'm going to guess the recruit edition will be 5 flamer and the Terminator captain vs 10 gants and the winged prime. Elite edition could add the terminator squad and the screamer killer, command edition with terrain on top.

The smallest box in 9th was Lieutenant + 5 Assault Intercessors vs. Necron Lieutenant + 10 Warriors, so odds are it will be the Phobos Lieutenant. Not sure on the Tyranid side who is the "Captain" and who is the "Lieutenant".

The Lieutenant and Apothecary are part of the sternguard sprue, so they cant be in small boxes. Terminator Captain and Winged Tryrant share connected sprues. The Terminator Librarian is separate, and the Neurothrope and Screamer killer are on a single sprue, so it could be those models for elite + command editions

Good points. Forgot the sprues are out. Captain vs Tyrant seems very likely then, but 5 Flamers vs 10 Gaunts feels like a mismatch. 10 Gaunts aren't as good in 10th as 10 Necron Warriors were in 9th and the Flamers seem to strongly counter the Gaunts. 20 Gaunts maybe? I wonder if they'll just do a bigger "smallest" box this time around?

**James12345**

I really hope the cheapest is 5 termies, the captain Vs prime and 20 gaunts. More likely it'll be the flamers which is a shame because they're pretty boring

Also unless I'm reading it wrong, the total amount of new models for Tyranids and space marines is £1000, based of the competition rules

**Boosykes**

Was really hoping they where going to show points when they droped leviathan data sheets today