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Should we expect more re-vamps of classic units, or new releases for dexes as they start to drop? Only reason I'm asking is GW seems to be doing 1-2 new HQ units per faction release, and that's it. No new model sets, no new rules, just rewording old rules.

I am wondering because Chaos is likely coming soon, and unless we are expecting new models, they are just going to be Gen 1 boys ramped up to 2Ws? Are we expecting/predicting any new model lines for orks/chaos/alderi?

Orks are due a bunch of stuff. Check out the latest spoiler show.

I would doubt many other armies will see large releases this year. I would guess maybe one more might get a large number of kits in the fall. Orks will probably be in May.

Well, lets see.
Space Marines got... an extended release of all new stuff
Necrons got... all new stuff

Death Guard got a new character
Dark elves got a revamped special character

Ad Mech is next, getting a new character

After that its orks and sisters
Sisters are getting... all new models.
Orks are getting... a new subfaction like Cult of Speed, but with Squigs, with all new models. There may be some redone units here (the video hints at the possibility), its too early to say for sure

New stuff has a very definite dominance in 9th edition releases so far. That doesn't mean it will continue, but the upcoming releases are clearly going that way.

It will depend on your faction; if it's got a ton of Finecast in it, you can look for updates to existing kit.

If the range is all plastic, and even if it's mostly plastic, you'll get new kits instead.

So when CWE comes, I'd advise everyone to set their expectations for plastic remakes of finecast stuff rather than new stuff.

PenitentJake wrote:
It will depend on your faction; if it's got a ton of Finecast in it, you can look for updates to existing kit.

If the range is all plastic, and even if it's mostly plastic, you'll get new kits instead.

So when CWE comes, I'd advise everyone to set their expectations for plastic remakes of finecast stuff rather than new stuff.

Considering the only 9e updated faction with a lot of finecast (dark eldar) still has almost all its finecast, I'd love to know what your reasoning is.

Why wouldn't I expect new stuff?
We've been told (by GW!) to expect new SoB & Ork stuff. They've even shown us pictures (some models, some art) of it.


As to how much new stuff is coming for each specific faction not yet revealed? I dont know, (and neither does anyone else who'll reply to you), I just assume the answer is yes. Could be 1 revamped model, could be a 25%+ increase in new units ala 2020 Necrons.

I AM going to go out on a limb though & predict there'll be something completely new for Space Marines.
I mean, thinking there won't be would be as foolish as taking a bet on whether or not the sun will rise in the East tomorrow....

I'm not asking about models, I am talking about new units as well. Like, aside from Space Marines and Necrons which were the poster children of this entire edition, have their been new units? The admech now have a skitari HQ, and the Orks are getting something new, the SOB got a new Tank....should I expect a full Necron scale release for any other factions? Sisters are literally a year old, giving them anything new seems silly. Space Elves need an entire faction re-release, and Jesters need new units as well.

Voss wrote:



Considering the only 9e updated faction with a lot of finecast (dark eldar) still has almost all its finecast, I'd love to know what your reasoning is.

The model that they've received so far was an update to a finecast model, right?
The two kits they received in 8th were also updates of Finecast, right?

That's my rationale.

I did not say, "If your range has lots of Finecast, you will get all of it replaced by plastic."

I said if your range includes a lot of finecast, any models that you get are likely to be plastic updates to Finecast kits, rather than new units.

The Sisters, Orks and Admech have more plastic in their ranges, and the kits that have been previewed for them thus far have been new.

Pesonally, I still hope they do replace the Finecast in the sisters range, but other than the advent previews and the Plastic sculpts for Gotfrett de Montbard, Taddeus the Purifier and Knosso Prond, there's no evidence they will; due to the amount of book/ Inquisitor looking bits from advent that turned out to be Cursed City, I no longer see the advent previews as providing anywhere near as much evidence for Ministorum/ Inquisition models as I once believed they did.

I'd like to see ALL finecast eliminated before 10th. I know that's a pipe dream; definitely not saying it is going to happen, merely that I would like it to happen.

My general guess to that is yes.
•Some will get lots of stuff - ex: SM & Necrons.
•Some will get a few things/1 thing - ex: SW with thier Fangs of Morkai that just repurpose existing plastic, give it a name/stats & wrap it in an all new box. Voila! A new unit is born!
•And then some won't gain anything - Ex: Dark Eldar(?)
Who will win this lottery & who will lose? Only GW could tell you that....

But in general I'm going to go with yes.

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
I'm not asking about models, I am talking about new units as well. Like, aside from Space Marines and Necrons which were the poster children of this entire edition, have their been new units? The admech now have a skitari HQ, and the Orks are getting something new, the SOB got a new Tank....should I expect a full Necron scale release for any other factions? Sisters are literally a year old, giving them anything new seems silly. Space Elves need an entire faction re-release, and Jesters need new units as well.

Sisters are getting a new tank, new warsuits and two new character types- all of that is 100% certain (one of which was in the Dark Eldar versus box) Maybe a plane, based on some hints in their last video. We don't know if that's it.

Beastsnaggas are being presented as a subfaction, like Cult of Speed, which implies multiple new releases. In addition to the squig rider (who may or may not be part of a unit), there's at least one character and a kind-of-chariot in the animated video. There may be more. And maybe replacements to finecast stuff in the rumor engine pics/video.

Beyond those two (and Ad Mech with their one new character), we don't really know anything. Cultists of the Abyss featured in the Sister's video, though whether that indicates that they're expanding cultists in the future or if its just the only cultist kit they sell now is up in the air.

For Craftworlds and Joker elves, we know _nothing_. Anything to the contrary is just wishful thinking at this point, with no basis in facts or evidence. no rumors, no rumor engine picture snippets, no easter eggs, no replacement models, no new units. We know zero things. We likely won't know anything for a while. We will probably get some previews and snippets of whatever factions are after sisters/orks, starting in may. April snippets will likely be ork previews or pieces of them.

Guard will get a new model.... but it will be store exclusive and never get in the hands of most Guard players.

Actually, dependning on the exact dates of 9th, AM already got 3 new models: A BL Commisar Jaine, A Catachan Col, and a Catachan Sgt. All finecast, all impossible to find now.

Do we have any indication the Admech model isn't a BL exclusive?

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Actually, dependning on the exact dates of 9th, AM already got 3 new models: A BL Commisar Jaine, A Catachan Col, and a Catachan Sgt. All finecast, all impossible to find now.

Do we have any indication the Admech model isn't a BL exclusive?

well, it was announced as part of the Admech codex reveal, which is about as strong a indication as we are going to get. Also, no "limited time" or "exclusive offer" language used in the announcement that would indicate a limited run model.

as to range renewal vs range expansion, i do think its a faction by faction thing. GW have a doctrinal preference for plastic over resin, and I imagine it is easier for them rules wise to renew a existing model than add bloat with a new unit, so i believe that all things being equal, they will prefer to replace old finecast with new plastics, espically if its something they can shift in bulk like a new core unit

I dont know about old core plastics like eldar guardians, but i still lean towards them producing new plastic guardians over a new kit (assuming its a choice of one or the other, not both). theirs plenty of demand for such a thing, and a core troops choice that will shift in bulk to both old and new eldar players is a temping choice for plastics.


as for mainly plastic armies, i'm assuming the preference would be to new kits on them (unless they have some old plastics that could be usefully updated). for the AM my actual hope is they bring back model support for any army that isnt catchan or cadian by using upgrade sprues like the GSC brood brothers ones to bring flavour. I get the feeling those things were a fad, but its still the only way regiments like the Tallharn, Valhallan and Mordian are going to get any support.

Literally one of the models listed was resin, and that was Commissar Severina Raine, who by the by, is still available for you to order whenever she comes back into stock.

If you missed out on Sergeant Ripper? That's on you. They did a Made to Order wave consisting of just her. I've got three local shops within 30 minutes of me that still have the model on the shelf too from overordering or people never coming in to pick up their orders.

The Catachan Colonel was intended to be a store anniversary model for GW shops. Obviously, COVID made it so that didn't happen. They instead gave the stock they had on hand(as these kinds of models are available day of with the stock on hand being limited, but taking orders for more if necessary) to independents to do with as they pleased. Some indies were shady about it, some did it the best they could, and some never got them...but the important bit was that it was tied to Trade Accounts via GW, not just shops with GW product.

Ripper Jackson, however, was intended to be a store opening/rebranding model for GW stores. Those things have usually been a hell of a lot harder to find.

That's why they put her up for a week long Made to Order.

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Actually, dependning on the exact dates of 9th, AM already got 3 new models: A BL Commisar Jaine, A Catachan Col, and a Catachan Sgt. All finecast, all impossible to find now.

Do we have any indication the Admech model isn't a BL exclusive?

I know you seem allergic to the concept, Fezzik, but have you considered the benefits of doing your research before spouting off?

9th edition began with Indomitus, which launched on 25/07/2020.

Commissar Severina Raine was released as part of the 2019 Black Library Celebration - she was a Fiencast model, so you get a point for that, but she is also still available on the GW website, so...

Sergeant Ripper Jackson was a limited release from September 2020, this is true - but she was a plastic release, not a Finecast one.

The even-more-limited* Catachan Colonel model, which was meant to help independent stores, was sent to local stores in May 2020 (given the article announcing it was from the last weekend of April), so would also be pre-9th edition. Oh, and he was a plastic release, too.

So, having claimed all three were released a, during 9th edition; and b, all in Finecast, you seem to have managed accuracy of 2/6 points...

* - Very anecdotally, the manager in my local GW has said they thought the Colonel would see a release through stores this year, probably for anniversaries, but given the conversation I had with him was around October 2020, who knows what the plan is now

As others are have said, it is likely that any new codex will get something with a new Codex release. I think maybe one codex during all of 8th edition didn't get either a new model or the non-bundled release of a no longer available model with their codex.

So far in 9th we have:

Space Marines - tons of releases between Indomitus, the Codex, and the various supplement releases

Necrons - a massive refresh and expansion of their line

Death Guard - A new HQ and a Fortification

Drukhari - new Lelith Hesperax

Adeptus Mechanicus - April brings Skitarii Marshal and integration of the late 8th Edition releases into the Codex proper

Unknown Release Dates.

Adepta Sororitas - at least two characters (assuming separate release of Palatine), a new unit, and a new vehicle

Orks - New sub-faction of which we have only seen one model so far

As for those lovely Catachan limited releases, they may be limited releases or they may be an advanced wave of an upcoming Catachan overhaul when Codex Astra Militarum releases. They only have to update 5 kits for them (Infantry Squad, Command Squad, Heavy Weapon Squad, Straken, and Harker), and combining the Infantry Squad and Command Squad into one kit would not be that hard. Both are rather sparse double sprue kits that could be replaced with a new-tech triple sprue kit.

As for those lovely Catachan limited releases, they may be limited releases

They were explicitly limited/exclusive.
They have nothing to do with a codex release (see Kan's links above)

I'm expecting new models for CSM, ala a second wave to round out what we received in 2019, but that's just a gut feeling.

When CSM comes, they may release the Venomcrawler, MoP, GP and Oblits as separates; it would feel like a new release for some people.

PenitentJake wrote:
When CSM comes, they may release the Venomcrawler, MoP, GP and Oblits as separates; it would feel like a new release for some people.

Dont forget the BSF cultists being now the general cultists.
Including their weaponry.
See GW site.

With GW what they do is completely random since it depends 100% on what the model team makes and tells the rules team to put into a book, not coordinated to update units like smart people would do (of course if you can be stupid and still profit, what incentive is there to be smart?)

I think we can safely say that there will be at least one new model for any faction that gets a book or supplement. Whether that will be an update to ranges that sorely need it is another story, and one that's impossible to say.

Well, the new stuff for Eldar kin is very limited:
New Lelith, new Incubi and Drahzar, new Banshees. More to come? I guess not.
Harlies and Drukhari are actually fine.

GW did say back when the 9th codexes were announced that every codex would get at least a new model. Obviously, Marines and Necrons got their big releases, Death Guard got a character, terrain piece, and a decent box of poxwalkers (a repackage I know), Drukhari got Lelith, Admech got the Skitarii boss and we know Orks are getting "feral" units. TBH most of the ranges are in solid positions model wise, with the exception of poor old Craftworlds.

PenitentJake wrote:
When CSM comes, they may release the Venomcrawler, MoP, GP and Oblits as separates; it would feel like a new release for some people.

Looking at the profile Possessed got in the DG Codex I'm thinking a new Possessed kit isn't unlikely. Maybe even merging them with the Greater Possessed profile by upscaling the models.

Eldar need so much new stuff it’s crazy.

I think everyone is holding their collective breaths for the long awaited Craftworlds range revamp.

But as of yet we know nothing.

 dan2026 wrote:
Eldar need so much new stuff it’s crazy.

I think everyone is holding their collective breaths for the long awaited Craftworlds range revamp.

But as of yet we know nothing.

At this point I can only imagine they are holding it back for a big reveal given the amount of noise that's been going on for a while now.

They’ve got to give us new khorne beserkers. Those models suck. And noise marines. I mean, come on.

The beserkers look oooe they are skipping into battle and a 5 man unit of noise marines would cost £125!!!! Unless you buy the FW one which is still 50 for 5 men which is mad


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I wanna make a joke that we'll get three new knights, but also a new Farseer model, but I don't like to kick people when they are down.

mrFickle wrote:
They’ve got to give us new khorne beserkers. Those models suck. And noise marines. I mean, come on.

The beserkers look oooe they are skipping into battle and a 5 man unit of noise marines would cost £125!!!! Unless you buy the FW one which is still 50 for 5 men which is mad

Folks always hope for this (every time a chaos codex comes around), and I get it (especially now that they're out of scale with the new chaos marines), but well... Mandrakes, grotesques and the various beasts are waving sadly from where they were abandoned on the side of the road, even the poor thunderfire got left behind, and that's a marine unit.

I think a lot depends on whether they're going to commit to doing EC and WE books, or just decide that they simply aren't going to chase that paradigm any further. The limbo state has gotten old. But it would be nice to get scaled up berserkers and get rid of the dribbles of finecast that vaguely represent sonic weapons.

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That almost definitely won't change. As much as I'd like them to be scaled down to something reasonable (like the venomcrawler), those are relatively recent plastic kits.

At least the Berzerkers are in plastic. Noise Marines, on the other hand, seems like they only have the single model kit, at the moment, for the American version of GW's site.

Of course, the best way to justify such a release would be an Emperor's Children and World Eater's codex, which would probably seen the introduction of Slaangors as a 40K unit like the Tzaangors.