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I'm doing a non-primaris space marine army that's mainly tactical squads. If anyone with the codex wants to tear out about 4 data sheets you will never use and send them to me, it would be much appreciated, and save me £25 and a stiff back from hauling that tome around.

There are some sweet multi-quoting skills on display in this thread.

Just someone answer me this, if I go to a tournament, like a big one, like a GT or something, do I have to bring my core rule book, and the faq's, as well as my codex, and the faq's? What format should the faq's take (I don't have a smartphone!)

Cheers. I guess printed faqs, downloaded from gw would be ok then, and I reckon you would need the latest faq's for the core rules too. I'm guessing army lists must be submitted beforehand electronically and also printed for your opponent as well. Depending on the tournament of course.

Personally i'll need a cheat sheet too I reckon, or some cards or some such, and some little flags for the terrain with keywords on them, to keep track of everything.

Wargaming sure got a lot more slick and professional in the last 25 years. I've played (at clubs, not tournaments, obvs) where no-one had a rule book and only half of us had read one.

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Here's a wierd idea, stop hinging events on cash prizes. That would cut down majorly on cheating I think. 1st Prize is a box of steak knives. 2nd place is your fired. (Sorry Glenn Gary joke)

But seriously, stop hinging tournaments on thousands of dollars. Just make it about cred, and maybe some cool models. Get your picture with the Donald, I don't care.

Exalted. Prize money is not needed. GW cheque book and pen, or just BFH would be enough*

*see british game shows

beast_gts wrote:

 PaddyMick wrote:
Just someone answer me this, if I go to a tournament, like a big one, like a GT or something, do I have to bring my core rule book, and the faq's, as well as my codex, and the faq's? What format should the faq's take (I don't have a smartphone!)

Check the event pack or with the TO. For example, the London GT pack says you must bring "-Rules, including core rule book, codices, indices and any FAQs relevant to your army".

Cheers felix i'll look into that.

On the subject of cheating and prize money, I just heard on the Chapter Tactics podcast that if you cheat when there is prize money involved, it's an actual crime, a federal misdeamer or some such. How mental is that?

Slipspace wrote:
Can I ask how you created a list without the Codexes and supplements?

I went online to Wahapedia, which has all the rules and armies. It's a russian website of dubious legality. I've got nothing against putting my hand in my pocket for a codex and the core rules, but it does get a bit silly having to have 4 books... and then not knowing what you will be facing unless you buy the other codexes too. So for me I look at it like sampling the goods before making a purchase. I don't spend any more or less money with GW 'cos I'm using it, if that makes sense.




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I've thought a lot about whether it's right to use Wahepedia, and concluded that it's okay. I am however open to changing my mind.

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Wahapedia is no less "Illegal" or "suspect" than Battlescribe, which I would guess a large majority of the tournament crown favors. It's still 3rd party though, so put in the homework to verify.

Yeah, like Battlescribe, it's providing something GW isn't: easily referencing the rules in one place (without actually reproducing any rules book pages). I find it more up to date and usable than Battlescribe. I mean I will buy the books, I love the books, I just wish that a) they produced paperback versions and b) it wasn't so reliant on timing, as it's easy to get stuck with out of date stuff.

Nurglitch wrote:

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Wahapedia is no less "Illegal" or "suspect" than Battlescribe, which I would guess a large majority of the tournament crown favors. It's still 3rd party though, so put in the homework to verify.

It would be great to have an official 40k wiki with a micro-subscription.

Yes! I would pay for that. They should employ the guys who do wahapedia and battlescribe.

I think the guy at Wahapedia is relying on being in Russia to cover him from any copyright complications.

Incidentally, I just spent over a hundred quid on models with GW that I wouldn't have done if I couldn't go on Wahapedia and build a list (since you ask it's Blood Axes with GSC Vehicles, gonna be super cool).

@pacific

Cheers, as someone new to the current climate, and unsure of the etiquette and expectation, that's very reassuring.

I am going to my first GT at the weekend. The only publication I really resent buying is the GT mission pack. £25 for a slim hardback that will be out of date soon. A softback or ebook or just a pdf would have been a lot better.

The tournament I am attending requires each player to bring one, which is fair enough as you need it to play the missions, but it means there will be twice as many copies there as needed if everyone follows the rules.

In reality I reckon lots of players will use wahapedia on their phones. At a smaller event, if I was the TO, I would just photocopy the missions for the players or put them up on a screen or something.

Edit: I think I remember saying all this earlier in the thread but nevermind.
Copyright is only an issue if one or more parties make it an issue, in my opinion.

 Dysartes wrote:
If the TO has specified they must bring the physical book, and doesn't DQ people who don't, what's the point of setting the rule in the first place?

The point is that the rule could be there partly for the sake of appearance.
Strict rules, slavishly followed, is not something I thought would be a part of wargaming.

edited, please delete, I am talking rubbish!