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Hello Again, everyone. I'm trying to figure out what I should get next to expand my current army. I'm currently thinking I should either get a repulsor, a hellblaster squad or a dreadnought. Do y'all have any suggestions, on what I should do to branch out? Are my ideas reasonable, or should I do something else entirely.. Thank you.

Here's my current army:



++ Unbound Army (Faction) (Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Ultramarines) [27 PL, 490pts] ++

+ Configuration +

+ HQ +

Librarian [5 PL, 90pts]: Force sword

Lieutenants [4 PL, 75pts]
. Lieutenant in Reiver Armour

Primaris Captain [5 PL, 90pts]

Techmarine [4 PL, 70pts]:

+ Troops +

Assault Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 95pts]
. 4x Assault Intercessor
. Assault Intercessors Seargent

+ Elites +

Scout Squad [4 PL, 70pts]
. Scout Sergeant
. 4x Scout with Sniper Rifle

++ Total: [27 PL, 490pts] ++

I would add more Troops choices for securing Objectives and drop most of the HQ choices. The Techmarine isn't useful without any vehicles, the Lt isn't really worth it without other Phobos units to go along with it, and the Captain is only useful to the Scouts if it stays with them the whole game which is a waste of the Captain.

definatly need troops. snag a box or two of standard intercessors or heavy intercessors.

Definitely echo more troops.

Also of the three units listed, I'd put the repulsor at the back of the pack. Too much for too little.

I think you should start with at least two troops boxes, like the posters above suggested. I'd make at least one of those a box of standard Intercessors. For the other one, you could go with more Intercessors, but I personally think you should consider a box of Infiltrators/Incursors, and build them as Infiltrators. Better yet, get the Space Marines Combat Patrol. That gets you a Lieutenant in Phobos Armor, some Infiltrators, some Suppressors, some Eliminators, and an Impulsor to ferry some of your troops around in. Good value for money, as you get a bunch of units much cheaper than buying them individually, although they are monopose with no options.

While all the advice above is sound, buy the models you like. You might not get 100% win rate, but you'll have fun.

While I notionally agree with the stroller's post, in practice it's not always the case. A 50/50 win rate is what I would need to consider 40k fun to play, others might be different. However, playing CSM and Orks throughout 6th/7th Edition with the models I liked rather than what was good (not OP or competitive, good) meant I had a painfully low win/loss ratio and until our group switched to 30k I fully considered dropping the hobby. Making the effort to get my armies painted and going into town to the local GW or walking to a friends house wasn't worth it when my games were over in an hour. The OP should definitely take into consideration that some good units will be needed so every game they play isn't a just punching bag for their opponent.

I've alsl noticed OP that you are using an unbound army which means you won't receive any of the Chapter Tactics effects or Objective Secured on your Intercessors. There are loads of different Force Organsation options so look at one of those to get yourself some buffs.

I’m going to continue the trend and echo what others have been saying. Not only the “more troops” bit, but the buy what you like part.

If you are buying new, look at the assorted box sets. It’s nice to get what savings you can, and as a starting player there will be very little duplication with stuff you already own. Some of the chapter specific ones might include upgrade spures you don’t need/want, so the value goes down a bit, but the core units are still good. If you can find some of the older ones on the shelf of your FLGS, take a look. It looks like you could really use the marine half of a Dark Imperium box.

I like the basic marine combat patrol (used to be Start Collecting vanguard marines/shadowspear). It adds a lot of nice tricks and options to your list. But right now I think you need more bread and butter units. A solid core of basic troops. All the whistles and bells are nice, but you pay extra points for them, and right now I think you need more boots on the ground.

As an Ultramarine, I feel that every list should be a flexible TAC list with something from every slot of the Force Org Chart. Kinda amusing that your collection has an elite that feels like a troop, and a troop that feels like a fast attack.

Think about what you army to look like, and how you want it to play. Start with that, and then flesh out your list with things that support that and fill any gaps. I don’t really get a tight theme from what you already have, so it’s hard to make tailored recommendations.

Anyway, good luck and welcome to the Space Marines. Courage and Honour!

 Gert wrote:
While I notionally agree with the stroller's post, in practice it's not always the case. A 50/50 win rate is what I would need to consider 40k fun to play, others might be different. However, playing CSM and Orks throughout 6th/7th Edition with the models I liked rather than what was good (not OP or competitive, good) meant I had a painfully low win/loss ratio and until our group switched to 30k I fully considered dropping the hobby. Making the effort to get my armies painted and going into town to the local GW or walking to a friends house wasn't worth it when my games were over in an hour. The OP should definitely take into consideration that some good units will be needed so every game they play isn't a just punching bag for their opponent.

I've alsl noticed OP that you are using an unbound army which means you won't receive any of the Chapter Tactics effects or Objective Secured on your Intercessors. There are loads of different Force Organsation options so look at one of those to get yourself some buffs.

One note, about the unbound army, is because this isn't an actual list, it's just everything I own, so I decided not to break it up into detachments. I agree with the 50/50 win rate, I've had an awful winrate so far, with majority losses, and I would like to rectify that, but I'm not sure if my lists I make are just bad, if I'm still not a good player, or a mixture of both.

A working list is kind of vital to being a good player. I'm going to echo what others have said here, take a look as some of the Start Collecting boxes or the 9th Edition beginners sets, they do come with Necrons but you could always split the box or sell them on.

TheXGood wrote:

One note, about the unbound army, is because this isn't an actual list, it's just everything I own, so I decided not to break it up into detachments. I agree with the 50/50 win rate, I've had an awful winrate so far, with majority losses, and I would like to rectify that, but I'm not sure if my lists I make are just bad, if I'm still not a good player, or a mixture of both.

One thing is that you have a very small collection, and it doesn't have a lot of synergy. You are under 500 points (the smallest non-learning, non-kill team game you generally see) and you points are not particularly effectively spent

You have 2 units and 4 characters. This is the opposite of what you should have.

Your basic battle plan should be to take the captain, librarian, and intercessors upfield to try to take objectives. Scouts hang back and camp a home objective, probably with the Lt. He’ll let them re-roll to wounds fishing for 6’s and the MW. Techmarine has no role at the moment in your collection.

Assault intercessors can have a role, especially late game when you hit the assault doctrine. They will help clean up the battlefield. But for the first few turns, basic guys with rifles would be a much better use of points. And with nothing to keep the pressure off them, living to see the end game might be hard for them.

9th was not kind to scouts. I’ve honestly shelved mine. Everyone besides them getting +1W and moving out of the troop slot was a double whammy. If you like their look and role, some of the phobos armored units do the job better. It’s not that they can’t get some work done, but the struggle to fill their role. They can work to add some spice and tricks to your list, but are no longer a core part of the army.

Read all the strategems. Figure out what ones apply to your units and try to remember them.
Keep an eye on the objectives. Killing the other guy might slow him down, but often keeping a boot on the spot is more important for victory.
Auras and re-rolls are your friend. They let you leverage and get the most out of your units. With your HQ heavy collection you have a lot of buffs, but not a lot of units to take advantage of them.

Find someone who is selling restartes on eBay, many people, and bid on a collection or two. Look for grey plastic or primed responsibly. Trade off what you might not want or need.

What jeff white means by "restartes" is Primaris because they are still mad about it and can't use their actual name.
Also, eBay lots tend to be single units rather than armies, and most army lots are painted which makes them less worth it IMO.

Okay, I'd never heard the term restarted before, thanks for clarifying that. I'll definitely look into getting some more troops. Does two sets of 10x intercessors sound about right to start?

Honestly not for the price of 2 boxes you'd be better off looking at any of the Space Marine Combat Patrols, all of them come with troops units and other things like Aggressors, transports or a Walker.

If you're playing small games like 1k points you could just go with 10 intercessors for now and grab a redemptor dreadnought. You're lacking in high strength attacks in general, and your tech marine can be put to use buffing or fixing the dreadnought.

TheXGood wrote:
Okay, I'd never heard the term restarted before, thanks for clarifying that. I'll definitely look into getting some more troops. Does two sets of 10x intercessors sound about right to start?

20 intercessors is fantastic a great core to your army (20 intercessors might even be more then you need but it never hurts to have some extras)

How do you guys feel about recasting? I've heard bad things about it, but it seems like a really decent option for getting into the hobby. Does it have reasonable quality, and if it's worth a shot, where should I look? Thank you for all of the help, everyone.

TheXGood wrote:
How do you guys feel about recasting?

I know that it's the quickest way (outside of political discussions) to get a thread locked at Dakka.

Recasting is a banned topic for discussion I believe. All I'll say is don't go for it, not because I'm a corporate shill but since you know exactly what you're getting with an official product.

Okay, I didn't realize that was a banned topic . Thank you guys for pointing it out.