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I thought I'd start a thread to talk about the rumoured GK vs TS box.

Right now it looks like it will include the new Castellan Crowe and Infernal Master models, as well as a Dreadknight and a Tzaangor Shaman.

Details of the other units are less clear at the moment. I'm hoping for GK Terminators and Rubric Marines. It seems likely that we'll see more Tzaangors too given that there's going to be a Tzaangor Shaman.

Has anyone seen any further information or rumours?

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Let's just put it out there: If the GKs don't get Primaris upgrades in this box, I have no idea why Games Workshop is releasing it.

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 Flipsiders wrote:
Let's just put it out there: If the GKs don't get Primaris upgrades in this box, I have no idea why Games Workshop is releasing it.


To sell a bunch of old models off the back of a couple of new characters, like all these 2 army boxes.
   
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 ImAGeek wrote:
 Flipsiders wrote:
Let's just put it out there: If the GKs don't get Primaris upgrades in this box, I have no idea why Games Workshop is releasing it.


To sell a bunch of old models off the back of a couple of new characters, like all these 2 army boxes.


dingdingding, correct answer. However, as someone who still mostly prefers the old marines to primaris, and likes the new Crowe model, I'm pretty into it
   
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The new Castellan Crow model certainly looks bigger, but it's not Primaris...


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I think whatever they put in the box for k-sons, the players will already have plenty, because the range is so limited.
Exept for the new "another power armour wizard" covered in swirly gak.

Ofcourse, the infernal maste should be accompnied by actual daemons, but most likely we get more AoS beastmen. (and good riddance, most daemons are terrible units unless you play a friendly narrative game just for fun)

I guess its better than then putting Ahriman in the start collecting box though

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You may want to update topic title to something like "Fire and Magic - upcoming GK vs. TS boxed set discussion". I had to open the thread to know what this is about and I am sure I was not the only one.

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jullevi wrote:
You may want to update topic title to something like "Fire and Magic - upcoming GK vs. TS boxed set discussion". I had to open the thread to know what this is about and I am sure I was not the only one.


Done

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I may have have said it about that picture before in another thread, but I wouldn't feel happy using the new Crowe alongside the old Grey Knight models. I know it's far more likely this battle box is like most others and the only new models are the two characters, but if GW is determined to not give Grey Knights Primaris, they should still update the models to have better proportions like they did with Chaos Marines. Anything else is just sad. Plus Grey Knights infantry is made from only two boxes, so it's not even much of an investment compared to the model updates other armies got in the past two years.

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 Flipsiders wrote:
Let's just put it out there: If the GKs don't get Primaris upgrades in this box, I have no idea why Games Workshop is releasing it.
Maybe they will update GK models like Crowe's one? They do not need to be Primaris to look good. Just look at new CSM or Deathwatch.
   
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I like Crowe's new proportions. Apart from that, I like the old mini better.
   
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 Shadow Walker wrote:
 Flipsiders wrote:
Let's just put it out there: If the GKs don't get Primaris upgrades in this box, I have no idea why Games Workshop is releasing it.
Maybe they will update GK models like Crowe's one? They do not need to be Primaris to look good. Just look at new CSM or Deathwatch.


With the 30k rescale on the horizon I imagine GW will be going a similar route with the GK at some point.
   
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Careful, we'll end up with intercessors with an upgrade sprue a la death company. Shudder
   
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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/07/26/the-hexfire-battlebox-pits-grey-knights-might-against-thousand-sons-sorcery/

The Grey Knights, led by the head of the Purifier order, Castellan Crowe, contains two five-man squads of Grey Knights in power armour, plus a mighty Nemesis Dreadknight. The Grey Knights can be assembled as Purifiers, of course, or as a Strike Squad, Interceptor Squad, or heavy-weapon-toting Purgation Squad. Since there are two squads, you can even mix and match – it’s an incredibly versatile kit. Likewise, the Nemesis Dreadknight suit can also be worn by a Grand Master if you choose.

The other half of the box consists of the Infernal Master, along with five Scarab Occult Terminators, plus ten Tzaangors and a Tzaangor Shaman.


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And the rumor of half new box, other half new character goes down!
   
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This is a really cool box set, and man that codex artwork is so nice. The 9th edition codex art is just a home run every time.

I think it's really cool there is crusade rules in the box, that's a nice touch when splitting the box with a buddy, play a little campaign with the dudes inside.

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It'll be interesting to see if this is GK/TS Crusade specific content lifted from their codex, or just rehashed core Crusade rules meant to make the box a campaign in a bottle.
   
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Sterling191 wrote:
It'll be interesting to see if this is GK/TS Crusade specific content lifted from their codex, or just rehashed core Crusade rules meant to make the box a campaign in a bottle.


Based off the Article.

You’ll find datasheets for all the models in the box, of course, but also Crusade rules including campaign-specific Battle Scars, Relics, and Battle Traits. These are a cool way to show the lasting effects of the battle for Hexenfast.


Specific stuff for the setting.

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The new character models seem to be on 40mm bases, and even without the tactical rocks are really large; primaris sized. The old GK models will look super derpy next to them.

   
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Those old models look really bad. Is this going to be a second Blood of the Phoenix?
   
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It is kind of embarrassing for them to show these old models next to the new one.
I personally have a different reason to disliking it as well. I love Grey Knights as terminators, and putting their non terminator armor troops in there is disappointing for someone who wanted to start a grey knight army.

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How about the price tag?

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 TheBestBucketHead wrote:
It is kind of embarrassing for them to show these old models next to the new one.
I personally have a different reason to disliking it as well. I love Grey Knights as terminators, and putting their non terminator armor troops in there is disappointing for someone who wanted to start a grey knight army.


I feel the same way towards the tsons, they're known for their sorcerers and rubric marines, so the termies and bird boys seems out of place. Then again like grey knights they have so few kits and with the start collecting existing they'll want to avoid too many duplicates.
   
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Those old models look really bad. Is this going to be a second Blood of the Phoenix?


Doubt it, Marines always sell well. Doesn't matter which kind. A few folks in my area already are talking about buying/splitting sets, something I never heard for Blood of the Phoenix (not many Aeldari players).

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 wuestenfux wrote:
How about the price tag?

We won't know until the week it gets announced for preorder.
   
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I am entirely dissapointed in this box set.

Apparently Tzaangors are a more iconic unit than Rubric marines? Seeing how they got featured in 2 of our box sets while rubrics only got 1?

50% of the Thousand sons side is just... not thousand sons.

Just roll us up in the mainline CSM dex again so we can get rid of Tzaangors please.

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Was really hoping for that rumour that GK get everything new in the box to be true.

I'll get Crowe and wait until the rest gets a rescaling.

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 jaredb wrote:
This is a really cool box set, and man that codex artwork is so nice. The 9th edition codex art is just a home run every time.

I think it's really cool there is crusade rules in the box, that's a nice touch when splitting the box with a buddy, play a little campaign with the dudes inside.


the covers of both codexes are awesome but the box art is pretty wonky imo...

   
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DaPino wrote:
I am entirely dissapointed in this box set.

Apparently Tzaangors are a more iconic unit than Rubric marines? Seeing how they got featured in 2 of our box sets while rubrics only got 1?

50% of the Thousand sons side is just... not thousand sons.

Just roll us up in the mainline CSM dex again so we can get rid of Tzaangors please.


Tzaangors are older than Rubrics. In Realm of Chaos - The Lost and the Damned they were described as a warrior cast on the Planet of the Sorcerors used as guards and fighters for the TS.

While I understand people who don't want to use them, they should be part of the army list.

The really weak part of the box are the GK in PA.
   
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So runty GK are still there. Really GW, not even 1 box of them could be updated?
   
 
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