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So, I’m new to imperial guard…

Always wanted Cadians - so I’ve been building them up (see my thread)

I’m keen to get scions and bullgryns but I want a coherent army - just seems weird to have a camo army with their blue friends

I know I can paint everything how I choose but I wondered why all Tempestus and bullgryns are painted blue??

Because they are all painted in the colour scheme of the Kappic Eagles scion regiment, just so they all look the same in army shots. There are other regiments, with other colours, it's just how the GW studio decided to paint the collection for the army books/box art.

Bullgryn are Auxilia units rather than Regimental. They got painted up in, as mentioned, the colors of the Kappic Eagles because when the Bullgryn kit dropped the Militarum Tempestus had also just dropped as a subfaction within the Guard.

Trouble with me waiting till new book comes out - behind with lore etc

So any reason both can’t be green like the rest of my army? I.e that would fit the lore

Bullgryns, Ogryns, Ratlins and the Scions are all outwith the normal Regimantal structure of Astra Militarum Regiments. They do exist within their own Abhuman or Scion Regiments but are often deployed as force multipliers, ergo different uniform/camo schemes to normal Militarum units.
That being said, there's a finite amount of colours. There's nothing stopping you from painting them the same. You just need to remember they are separate from the <Regiment> units.

Morthraen wrote:
Trouble with me waiting till new book comes out - behind with lore etc

So any reason both can’t be green like the rest of my army? I.e that would fit the lore

For Ogryn/Bullgryn?

Sure, they can be painted up like the regiment. Heck you can pick a different 'main' color for them, then add a green plate or something.

Morthraen wrote:
Trouble with me waiting till new book comes out - behind with lore etc

So any reason both can’t be green like the rest of my army? I.e that would fit the lore

No, just paint how you want them. Painting your models how you want is the point of the hobby.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Morthraen wrote:
Trouble with me waiting till new book comes out - behind with lore etc

So any reason both can’t be green like the rest of my army? I.e that would fit the lore

No, just paint how you want them. Painting your models how you want is the point of the hobby.

Oh totally, just wondered more than anything. For me they’ll be green, but wanted to understand them, I mean I didn’t want it to be like taking a space wolf in a blood angel army and paining it red yeah my choice to do it but still looks daft

For what it's worth, it doesn't really get explained in any of the lore. It's just kinda...there.

Bullgryn were painted/showcased in those Tempestus colors while Ogryn were painted up in typical Cadian colors. Wouldn't be beyond belief that Bullgryn get different colors from the 'main' Ogryn so that they look better in their bodyguard-ish role.

There's no such thing as a Cadian Scion, or a Cadian Ogryn / Bullgryn.

Ogryns come from high gravity worlds. I don't believe there's anything in the fluff to say how many Ogryn worlds there are but they all (I assume) give Ogryn / Bullgryn regiments as part of their tithe to the Imperial Guard. Regiments of pure Ogryns probably wouldn't be particularly effective (apart from certain situations) so they tend to be split up and platoons / units are allocated to human regiments.

Every Ogryn regiment probably has its own uniform, depending on which planet they're from. If you want yours to look similar to your Cadian troops you can always say that they come from a planet that uses that particular uniform. Or your Regiment's Commander has decided that he wants all Ogryns / Bullgryns under his command to wear a similar uniform to the humans under his command.

Fluffwise I can't really see a Cadian Regiment Commander telling the Scions that are working with him to change their uniform. Nothing stopping you inventing your own Scion regiment and deciding that their uniforms are similar to Cadians though.You can even pretend they're elite Cadian troops (Kasrkin). At least until the rumoured new Kasrkin models are released and you can have some real ones.


But yeah, as others have said, the fluff shouldn't dictate what colours you paint your models. They're your models after all. Personally I wouldn't have any issue with playing against green Ultramarines, or blue Cadians.

Matching colours will probably have something to do with reducing blue on blue incidents.
If you're a Cadian Regiment and see a platoon of red armoured Ogryns running along your flank, you might panic and open fire. Green armoured Ogryns? Less likely.

El Torro wrote:
There's no such thing as a Cadian Scion

Technically true, but Kasrkin.

 Gert wrote:
Bullgryns, Ogryns, Ratlins and the Scions are all outwith the normal Regimantal structure of Astra Militarum Regiments. They do exist within their own Abhuman or Scion Regiments but are often deployed as force multipliers, ergo different uniform/camo schemes to normal Militarum units.
That being said, there's a finite amount of colours. There's nothing stopping you from painting them the same. You just need to remember they are separate from the <Regiment> units.

Or not. Either way makes no difference rules-wise.
And, within the game, there's thousands of years worth of unwritten history & countless as-yet-to-defined guard regiments. So no one can actually tell you you're wrong if you decide yours are all the same regiment as long as the rules are followed.

El Torro wrote:There's no such thing as a Cadian Scion, or a Cadian Ogryn / Bullgryn.

Ogryns come from high gravity worlds. I don't believe there's anything in the fluff to say how many Ogryn worlds there are but they all (I assume) give Ogryn / Bullgryn regiments as part of their tithe to the Imperial Guard. Regiments of pure Ogryns probably wouldn't be particularly effective (apart from certain situations) so they tend to be split up and platoons / units are allocated to human regiments.

Every Ogryn regiment probably has its own uniform, depending on which planet they're from. If you want yours to look similar to your Cadian troops you can always say that they come from a planet that uses that particular uniform. Or your Regiment's Commander has decided that he wants all Ogryns / Bullgryns under his command to wear a similar uniform to the humans under his command.

Fluffwise I can't really see a Cadian Regiment Commander telling the Scions that are working with him to change their uniform. Nothing stopping you inventing your own Scion regiment and deciding that their uniforms are similar to Cadians though.You can even pretend they're elite Cadian troops (Kasrkin). At least until the rumoured new Kasrkin models are released and you can have some real ones.


But yeah, as others have said, the fluff shouldn't dictate what colours you paint your models. They're your models after all. Personally I wouldn't have any issue with playing against green Ultramarines, or blue Cadians.

That’s what I was after. Perfect

I do want to keep things “kinda” accurate, practically - as you’ve said I “can” do what I like. But really what I like is to be “correct” so blue it is

Gert wrote:Matching colours will probably have something to do with reducing blue on blue incidents.
If you're a Cadian Regiment and see a platoon of red armoured Ogryns running along your flank, you might panic and open fire. Green armoured Ogryns? Less likely.

See one part of me wants consistency…another wants to follow the fluff/lore/unwritten Gumf

I like the justification - leader asking scions to change their regimental uniform being unlikely. I agree there. I just don’t want a mix and match army i.e couple of squads of cadians, Chuck some catachans in, few death korps etc etc I want a cadian force a strict cadian force. Yeah if that allows me some bullgryns cool. I’m just in two minds with scions. Maybe I’m best to hold out for kasrkins (hopefully)

Look for the Militarum Tempestus codex and/or "The Greater Good" psychic awakening books.

There are multiple Scion regiments out there. Not just blue.

ccs wrote:

Or not. Either way makes no difference rules-wise.
And, within the game, there's thousands of years worth of unwritten history & countless as-yet-to-defined guard regiments. So no one can actually tell you you're wrong if you decide yours are all the same regiment as long as the rules are followed.

It does make a difference rules wise. Auxilia units like Ogryns, Ministorum units like Priests and Mechanicus units like Tech Priests don't benefit from Regimental Doctrines, <Regiment> abilities or Strategems. That bit you've highlighted is specifically a rules thing not a modelling thing.

Morthraen wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Morthraen wrote:
Trouble with me waiting till new book comes out - behind with lore etc

So any reason both can’t be green like the rest of my army? I.e that would fit the lore

No, just paint how you want them. Painting your models how you want is the point of the hobby.

Oh totally, just wondered more than anything. For me they’ll be green, but wanted to understand them, I mean I didn’t want it to be like taking a space wolf in a blood angel army and paining it red yeah my choice to do it but still looks daft

My space wolves are all red and white to match my SoB color scheme when I ran them together in 7th.

 deviantduck wrote:

Morthraen wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Morthraen wrote:
Trouble with me waiting till new book comes out - behind with lore etc

So any reason both can’t be green like the rest of my army? I.e that would fit the lore

No, just paint how you want them. Painting your models how you want is the point of the hobby.

Oh totally, just wondered more than anything. For me they’ll be green, but wanted to understand them, I mean I didn’t want it to be like taking a space wolf in a blood angel army and paining it red yeah my choice to do it but still looks daft

My space wolves are all red and white to match my SoB color scheme when I ran them together in 7th.

Lol no matter what colour I picked there I knew it would get someone

What can look really good in this sort of case is using the same basic palette, but swapping round which colour is used for which part of the model between the different categories of troops.

For example, if your Cadians have olive green fatigues, forest green flak armour and black boots/webbing/weapons, then you could paint your Scions with black fatigues, olive green armour and forest green berets. This keeps the whole army looking like a coherent force, while still keeping the Scions visually distinct from the Cadians.

That’s a good idea certainly.

I think in all reality I’ll await the new codex before adding any of the aux choices. I’ll stick to the main options and add once I know more about the additions. I really don’t want a (attempting safe colour options to make my point here) bright pink group when that doesn’t fit any of the options that would be in the books.

I’ll keep an eye out for Tempestus codex but they’re all like £50 atm… man I wish I knew when the new guard book was coming…

Don't be afraid to buy the Tempestus book secondhand. It's from two editions ago, but it has some of the best fluff on them.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Don't be afraid to buy the Tempestus book secondhand. It's from two editions ago, but it has some of the best fluff on them.

found a copy on ebay for a tenner. that'll do nicely.

I'm sure I'll find a company that has a colour scheme I like I do try to build armies that fit the background so thanks for all the advice.

Morthraen wrote:
Trouble with me waiting till new book comes out - behind with lore etc

So any reason both can’t be green like the rest of my army? I.e that would fit the lore

Nothing. Whoever came up with colour scheme wanted blue and rest are same for consistency. Squad where each model has different colour scheme would look silly and gw studio doesn't paint excess units just for fun of it. Generally 1 of each except basic cores.

Painters require salary. Painting squad takes time. If gw painted 10 different colour schemes for every squad either painters would need to paint 10x in same time or gw painting expenses would go up 10x.

Cost/return efficiency.

There's this official art floating around.



As said, it's just them trying to do a coherent paint scheme for the marketing/codex spreads.

The Ogryns were painted in green, for use with standard Cadian forces. It's the same kit.
But yeah. They only seem to have painted up one set of Bullgryns.

 Arbitrator wrote:
There's this official art floating around.



As said, it's just them trying to do a coherent paint scheme for the marketing/codex spreads.

Is that a tank tread being used as a loincloth?! Even a Bloodthirster would have trouble moving around with such a weight.

Yes. Yes it is.

It doubles as a mobile spares store for any techpriests needing one for a thrown track.