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Any rumours on when a new Astra Militarum Codex might be available now that there are new models for the DKoK - I only have a few Cadian IG and wish to get more that will comply with the rules
   
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There are rumors of a new tank, called the Rogal Dorn floating around. I believe I was told that Chapter Master Valrak (a youtube guy) talked about it.

I don't recall a timeline for release, though.

 
   
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We're running out of books to do, and we've got little Krieg plastics now, and Imperial-ish looking vehicle bits keep cropping up in the rumor engine.

So, this year rather than next wouldn't be a shock.

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 Beaker07 wrote:
Any rumours on when a new Astra Militarum Codex might be available now that there are new models for the DKoK - I only have a few Cadian IG and wish to get more that will comply with the rules


  • The currently 100% accurate B&C rumors from last fall said that this year would be:
    Tau in January followed by CSM, Chaos Knights, and Eldar in an unknown order (at the time). After those the following factions were being worked on but don't have fixed release dates; Squats, World Eaters, Daemons, and Astra Militarum.


  • The same leaker elaborated about AM saying, "Astra Militarum with veteran-style Cadians. Two new regiments are also in the works. New Kasrkin and new vehicle, designed to fit between the Leman Russ and the Baneblade. "


  • The GW Facebook page posted the following image in their LVO Preview countdown which is Astra Militarum styled with the stenciled date 790.M41.
    Spoiler:

    This date is referenced (good catch by Kanluwen) by the 5th Ed Guard Codex:
    "The Vostroyan IX under Graf Toshenko are wiped out defending the factory city of Polia on the planet of Nimbosa from the Tau Commander Brightsword, inspiring the populace to resist the Tau's culture of 'the Greater Good'."
    Which (while possibly not an indicator that they'll appear at LVO) could be a hint that one of the two "new regiments" is Vostroyans (which is not entirely surprising).


  • There's also another so far 100% accurate Reddit leaker who has said that World Eaters won't be in the new CSM dex and that Chaos Knights will be before CSM.


  • I think that's everything I've seen so far.
       
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    someone else caught it first on Twitter, I just confirmed it and posted here.

    Wish I had saved their name to properly credit though.
       
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    Heafstaag wrote:
    There are rumors of a new tank, called the Rogal Dorn floating around. I believe I was told that Chapter Master Valrak (a youtube guy) talked about it.

    I don't recall a timeline for release, though.


    God I hope so, Rogal Dorn deserves more respect (and it seems unlikely we'll get a 40k mini for him).

    That being said, Valrak being the source on this seems a bit sus, I think someones just having a go of him since hes a massive Dorn/IF fanboi.

    There's also another so far 100% accurate Reddit leaker who has said that World Eaters won't be in the new CSM dex and that Chaos Knights will be before CSM.


    My understanding is the 100% accurate leaker said WE wouldn't be in CSM. The source saying Knights before CSM was different I thought.

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    Man, if that's true about the chaos knights coming out before imperial... there are going to be some UNHAPPY Imperial players!

    But, really, it would be about time for that. Considering the many times it has been the opposite of course.
       
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    i had thought of using the new DKoK as veterans for my cadian force with different heads and no backpacks - Will DKoK get a seperate Codex? might just buy a codex off ebay instead of a full price one
       
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     Beaker07 wrote:
    i had thought of using the new DKoK as veterans for my cadian force with different heads and no backpacks - Will DKoK get a seperate Codex? might just buy a codex off ebay instead of a full price one

    Honestly?

    Nobody knows what's going to happen. All I could reasonably suggest to you is think of making each little bit as its own army if you're choosing to play Guard.

    Do a DKoK detachment, with some tanks as support!
    Maybe do a Scions detachment to support them!

    I'd avoid Cadians and Catachans right now though.
       
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    leerm02 wrote:
    Man, if that's true about the chaos knights coming out before imperial... there are going to be some UNHAPPY Imperial players!

    But, really, it would be about time for that. Considering the many times it has been the opposite of course.


    At this point I wouldn't be surprised if Codex Officio Assasinorum comes out before the Guard dex
       
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    Heafstaag wrote:
    There are rumors of a new tank, called the Rogal Dorn floating around. I believe I was told that Chapter Master Valrak (a youtube guy) talked about it.

    I don't recall a timeline for release, though.


    As long as this new tank doesn’t completely invalidate the existing Guard vehicles, and doesn’t look as derpy as a Taurox I’ll be fine with it. I’m really hoping it doesn’t look like it.
       
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    The rumored new tank has had no name attributed to it outside of the Valrak bit, and that doesn't line up with what was mentioned by the more reliable leaker.

    Rumored tank is midway between a Russ and Baneblade in size.

    Valrak's bit suggested it was Russ sized, if I remember correctly?
       
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    Do a DKoK detachment, with some tanks as support!
    Maybe do a Scions detachment to support them!

    I'd avoid Cadians and Catachans right now though.


    Was thinking of getting a Cadian Command Squad maybe stick at that might get a DKoK squad - any reason to avoid Cadians
       
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     Beaker07 wrote:


    Do a DKoK detachment, with some tanks as support!
    Maybe do a Scions detachment to support them!

    I'd avoid Cadians and Catachans right now though.

    Was thinking of getting a Cadian Command Squad maybe stick at that might get a DKoK squad - any reason to avoid Cadians


    They're a stationary "stand and shoot" army in a game that, right now, requires movement to the center objectives and good melee capability.

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     Beaker07 wrote:

    Was thinking of getting a Cadian Command Squad maybe stick at that might get a DKoK squad - any reason to avoid Cadians

    Right now?

    Because there's rumors of an actual, fully refreshed/updated kit coming. They come from the same place as calling out the Death Korps with Kommandos as a Kill Team boxed set. There's also rumors of a plastic Kasrkin set coming.

    The new Cadian kit is described as being more of a "veteran" look, with a hint of "nomad" going.

    As it stands, the DKoK box? It can be used to set you up with an Officer and Command Squad. There's parts in there which can also let you build a Master of Ordnance out of the remaining 6 models.

    The only thing you'll be missing are Heavy Weapons Teams...which I'm currently advising people avoid. As I said, we have no idea what's going on with the revamped Guard book. But it's feeling rather telling that the repacked Cadian box(with the new heads and gear which were apparently set up to go with the Cadian relaunch as a Kill Team) does not include HWTs nor do the DKoK.

    But hey, you picked Guard for tanks not guys with tripod guns right?
       
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    Think I'll check out the sprues for the DKoK options - might get the cadian command squad but no other troops etc wait and see what happens wont bother with a codex either - thanks to everyone for their help and advice stick with my UM's and orks always lots of new smurfs
       
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    They're not going to squat HWT. Those sculpts are perfectly fine.

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     RaptorusRex wrote:
    They're not going to squat HWT. Those sculpts are perfectly fine.


    I do think they'll remove them from Infantry Squads, Veteran Squads, and Command Squads. As GW like to have options that are only available in the box. Instead we might see something like:

    Wargear:
    - Up to 2 Guardsmen may replace their lasguns with up to 2 grenade launchers; 2 flamers; 1 melta gun; 1 plasma gun; 1 sniper rifle.

    This would represent what's available in the kit. Which sadly means, we're likely still not going to see a Sergeant with a lasgun.

    I also think that Veteran Squads and Special Weapon Squads could be removed. We could see something like a Veteran Infantry Company as an Army of Renown just like Skitarii Veterans. 1 point upgrade for Guardsmen and they get their BS Characteristic changed to 3+, as well as +1 to their Ld Characteristic.

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    So, take this with a grain of salt, but i have been hearing rumors that the next guard codex is going to have.
    Spoiler:
    Imperial guard units in it.

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    So, take this with a grain of salt, but i have been hearing rumors that the next guard codex is going to have.
    Spoiler:
    Imperial guard units in it.


    No, sadly it won't. They're going to keep the stupid faux-Latin 'Military Stars' name.

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     Kanluwen wrote:
     Beaker07 wrote:

    Was thinking of getting a Cadian Command Squad maybe stick at that might get a DKoK squad - any reason to avoid Cadians

    Right now?

    Because there's rumors of an actual, fully refreshed/updated kit coming. They come from the same place as calling out the Death Korps with Kommandos as a Kill Team boxed set. There's also rumors of a plastic Kasrkin set coming.

    The new Cadian kit is described as being more of a "veteran" look, with a hint of "nomad" going.

    As it stands, the DKoK box? It can be used to set you up with an Officer and Command Squad. There's parts in there which can also let you build a Master of Ordnance out of the remaining 6 models.

    The only thing you'll be missing are Heavy Weapons Teams...which I'm currently advising people avoid. As I said, we have no idea what's going on with the revamped Guard book. But it's feeling rather telling that the repacked Cadian box(with the new heads and gear which were apparently set up to go with the Cadian relaunch as a Kill Team) does not include HWTs nor do the DKoK.

    But hey, you picked Guard for tanks not guys with tripod guns right?


    How exactly is it telling that a product that never did include even one HWT.... doesn't include one now? If you ever wanted (plastic) Cadian heavy weapons? You bought them separate from the infantry squads. Today is no different than before in that regard.

    Likewise with the Krieg. They literally took the KT spues & just shoved them in a solo box. If Krieg specific HWT come? You can be assured that GW intends to sell them to you exactly as they have been doing with the Cadian ones....
       
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    I'm also a bit worried that my traditionnal infantry builds would be rendered impossible, by a foreseeable removal of heavy weapons teams from line squads. No heavy weapons in the box = no heavy weapon option. Though for now all I have are sets of three that could easily go into dedicated heavy weapons squads. However to do this we need some sort of boosts to these squads : a 5 point reduction would be nice, and a return of heavy weapon platoons would definitely be needed. It always feels backwards to me that many IG tanks are fieldable by squadrons of up to 3 per heavy support (or fast attack slot) but a much weaker HWS consumes a valuable HS slot for each small squad. They sould make it the other way around : tanks single selections and HWS platoon selections.

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    ccs wrote:

    How exactly is it telling that a product that never did include even one HWT.... doesn't include one now? If you ever wanted (plastic) Cadian heavy weapons? You bought them separate from the infantry squads. Today is no different than before in that regard.

    Spoiler:

    This is why it's telling. The Brood Brothers boxes(last updated in 2019 FYI) contain HWTs...but the actual Cadian Guard Infantry Squads(done after the revised Brood Brothers boxes, with the Cadian head sprue) do not.

    Spoiler:

    There's also this. You'll note that it is not them including the full Heavy Weapons Squad. They just tossed a set of the HWT sprues in.

    Likewise with the Krieg. They literally took the KT spues & just shoved them in a solo box. If Krieg specific HWT come? You can be assured that GW intends to sell them to you exactly as they have been doing with the Cadian ones....

    You would have had a point...if they still sold the individual HWT sets.

    They haven't done that for 10ish years now.

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    honestly i just hope they get some kind of immunity to the 2 flyer rule. My guard list is 2 valkries, 3 vendettas, and all tempestus (i rarely play games with them but built it because i liek the models). is it a tournament army... goodness no, but when i feel like playing my jumpy plane boys it was nice to be able to play with and with flyer limitations its now invalidated

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    chaos0xomega wrote:
    There's also another so far 100% accurate Reddit leaker who has said that World Eaters won't be in the new CSM dex and that Chaos Knights will be before CSM.


    My understanding is the 100% accurate leaker said WE wouldn't be in CSM. The source saying Knights before CSM was different I thought.


    So there are two different 100% accurate public leakers that I've seen/heard of. The one from B&C who posted last Fall and then deleted his post shortly after because it got his source in trouble, and Ok_Entrepreneur3004 on Reddit who was seemingly the first person to describe the Shroudrunner Jetbike, CSM vs Eldar box, and the contents of the new Eldar Combat Patrol. Here's a link to an earlier post I made which catalogued some of his posts.

    This month he confirmed that the WE aren't in the CSM 'dex and has been describing details about both the forthcoming Primaris release and the Chaos Knight/Imperial Knight 'dexes, which sound like they are coming together or in close proximity.

    leerm02 wrote:Man, if that's true about the chaos knights coming out before imperial... there are going to be some UNHAPPY Imperial players!

    But, really, it would be about time for that. Considering the many times it has been the opposite of course.


    It sounds like (and this is just my speculation) that both Imperial and Chaos Knight 'dexes are coming close together based on the Reddit leaker having details about rules from both of them. Only the Chaos Knights are getting new models though to my knowledge.
       
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     Backspacehacker wrote:
    So, take this with a grain of salt, but i have been hearing rumors that the next guard codex is going to have.
    Spoiler:
    Imperial guard units in it.


    No, sadly it won't. They're going to keep the stupid faux-Latin 'Military Stars' name.


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     Jack Flask wrote:
    chaos0xomega wrote:
    There's also another so far 100% accurate Reddit leaker who has said that World Eaters won't be in the new CSM dex and that Chaos Knights will be before CSM.


    My understanding is the 100% accurate leaker said WE wouldn't be in CSM. The source saying Knights before CSM was different I thought.


    So there are two different 100% accurate public leakers that I've seen/heard of. The one from B&C who posted last Fall and then deleted his post shortly after because it got his source in trouble, and Ok_Entrepreneur3004 on Reddit who was seemingly the first person to describe the Shroudrunner Jetbike, CSM vs Eldar box, and the contents of the new Eldar Combat Patrol. Here's a link to an earlier post I made which catalogued some of his posts.

    This month he confirmed that the WE aren't in the CSM 'dex and has been describing details about both the forthcoming Primaris release and the Chaos Knight/Imperial Knight 'dexes, which sound like they are coming together or in close proximity.

    leerm02 wrote:Man, if that's true about the chaos knights coming out before imperial... there are going to be some UNHAPPY Imperial players!

    But, really, it would be about time for that. Considering the many times it has been the opposite of course.


    It sounds like (and this is just my speculation) that both Imperial and Chaos Knight 'dexes are coming close together based on the Reddit leaker having details about rules from both of them. Only the Chaos Knights are getting new models though to my knowledge.


    ah thanks for clarifying, adding the redditor to my watchlist

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    chaos0xomega wrote:
    Voss wrote:
     Backspacehacker wrote:
    So, take this with a grain of salt, but i have been hearing rumors that the next guard codex is going to have.
    Spoiler:
    Imperial guard units in it.


    No, sadly it won't. They're going to keep the stupid faux-Latin 'Military Stars' name.


    'Star Military'

    Not to my understanding of Latin-
    Astra is the plural form of the noun 'star' (astrum).
    Militarum is generously a variation of militaris which is either an adjective 'military' or, as a noun, a singular soldier or military man. Which in this context, makes the adjective more likely, since we've already got a noun, and a plural one at that.

    So either Military Stars or the even more absurd Stars Soldier (singular).

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