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Who ever wrote that every single plant is hostile and toxic and these creatures ,everything wants to kill you ,nobody would have survived, lets use logic and reason here , how do you possibly make in an envinorment that every organism wants to devour, turn you to something else etc, just imagine walking in the Jungle or anything nobody can be aware 24/7 and survive under these conditions.

They went to far with it. Catachan lore has to be re-written to sound at least remotely possible to survive.

Maybe.

You live in a defensive location with lots of very big guns. Pretty simple really.
You do know that modern day people live in extremely hostile environments, right?

They don't call it a Death World for nothing.

Catachanerd wrote:
Who ever wrote that every single plant is hostile and toxic and these creatures ,everything wants to kill you ,nobody would have survived, lets use logic and reason here , how do you possibly make in an envinorment that every organism wants to devour, turn you to something else etc, just imagine walking in the Jungle or anything nobody can be aware 24/7 and survive under these conditions.

They went to far with it. Catachan lore has to be re-written to sound at least remotely possible to survive.

From memory Catachan cities burn away the jungles and forests. So what's even weirder is why they're so muscular if they don't even live amongst the jungle? They basically live like us, and just continuously backburn the greenery. Honestly, they should look more like American GI's in Korea or Vietnam, and their characters should be the 80's action movie stars. Not every single Catachan needs to be Marbo.

You really have to understand that the unrealistic over the top lore was part of the fun back then. Sort of a game of "Oh yea? You think your army has it tough... look how bad it is for mine!"

Sometimes it feels like that over the top fun is fading, except for Orks thankfully, they continue to be delightfully nuts. But lets take Sly Marbo. Basically its cannon as I understand it that he takes out a whole dark eldar invasion on his own. (video below)

Realism probably wasn't ever the point. I say rewrite nothing lol, it's hillarious and fun.

Jarms48 wrote:

Honestly, they should look more like American GI's in Korea or Vietnam, and their characters should be the 80's action movie stars. Not every single Catachan needs to be Marbo.

Yeah, I have 200&some metal Catachans that match that exact description.
They're exactly the Hollywood 'Nam/Rambo types you're thinking they should be.

90% of GW's "deathworld" concept came from Harry Harrison's novels of the same name (1960s period books, so predated 40k by a couple of decades) and they were considered OTT back in the 1960s.

The Jungle Fighters are simply built different.

OK. Two points. First, what has 40k to do with logic and reason? Suspension of disbelief, maybe, but there is nothing logical or reasonable about it. Second, Australia? The number of things out there that, if not trying to kill you, are just having a day off, is remarkable. Thirdly (this is a bonus freebie), don’t sweat the big stuff. If the cannon says Catachans are the ultimate survivors, then hoorah! Don’t like it? We have billions of other worlds to chose from!

Catachanerd wrote:
lets use logic and reason here

Let's not. This is 40K. It's meant to be insane.

People live in Australia just fine, I see no reason why a 40k version of it needs to be retconned.

 RegularGuy wrote:
You really have to understand that the unrealistic over the top lore was part of the fun back then. Sort of a game of "Oh yea? You think your army has it tough... look how bad it is for mine!"

Sometimes it feels like that over the top fun is fading, except for Orks thankfully, they continue to be delightfully nuts. But lets take Sly Marbo. Basically its cannon as I understand it that he takes out a whole dark eldar invasion on his own. (video below)

Realism probably wasn't ever the point. I say rewrite nothing lol, it's hillarious and fun.

Regular Guy understands the spirit of the Catachans. Back in the 80s action heroes would demolish armies on their own and carry a loadout of weapons around worthy of a whole platoon. Check out Commando with Schwarzenegger for that.


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 chromedog wrote:
90% of GW's "deathworld" concept came from Harry Harrison's novels of the same name (1960s period books, so predated 40k by a couple of decades) and they were considered OTT back in the 1960s.

I read that book. It´s good and also includes sentient plants.

This is one of those times where pointing out that's realism and internal consistency are different things.

Bit weird to come steaming onto this forum getting mad about something that's been part of the 40K background material since day 1 tbh.

Some of the things living on Catachan are 'related' to Tyranids, and the Catachans themselves are borderline abhumans.

I heard they were going to name a bridge on Terra after Sly Marbo, but no one would dare cross it, so they had to change the name.

Just remember this is a setting where the main form of space travel means flying through literal hell to get there. The Imperium flies ships of war, trade, transport, population through Hell on a daily basis.



Again a Death World is nothing when your average space travel is through HELL, in terms of extreme conditions.


That said its a Death World. It's the same as those novels; the same as the Sadaukar and Fremen from Dune. It's not that "every single every little blade of grass kills you" in the lore, that's just in the lore "marketing" for the world. However it is true that the jungles are fearsomely deadly and full of things that will kill you. The worlds function because the Imperium builds a massive city that has flame-throwers on the walls so the population stays alive; meanwhile those who train to fight go out into the jungles to train.


And clearly its a Death World where its possible to just survive; but only if you're the toughest, baddest, most powerful warrior you can be

Frankly, it should be even more over the top.

Not just the blades of grass killing you, after they try the dirt they grow in leaps up and chokes you!

Now that there is a death world.

Catachanerd wrote:
Who ever wrote that every single plant is hostile and toxic and these creatures ,everything wants to kill you ,nobody would have survived, lets use logic and reason here , how do you possibly make in an envinorment that every organism wants to devour, turn you to something else etc, just imagine walking in the Jungle or anything nobody can be aware 24/7 and survive under these conditions.

They went to far with it. Catachan lore has to be re-written to sound at least remotely possible to survive.

Welcome to the entirety of 40k lore. enjoy your stay.

ccs wrote:

Yeah, I have 200&some metal Catachans that match that exact description.
They're exactly the Hollywood 'Nam/Rambo types you're thinking they should be.

Well, I’d like more Catachans like this:





Like some actually wearing uniforms, flak jackets, helmets. I’m a little tired of the singlets.

But those are more Cadians than Catatchans

 Togusa wrote:
I heard they were going to name a bridge on Terra after Sly Marbo, but no one would dare cross it, so they had to change the name.

It is said that Sly Marco does not do ‘push ups’, rather he pushes the planet -down-. . .

 chromedog wrote:
90% of GW's "deathworld" concept came from Harry Harrison's novels of the same name (1960s period books, so predated 40k by a couple of decades) and they were considered OTT back in the 1960s.

That and the old science fiction concept of "1 planet = 1 theme" that carried through to like half the old metal Guard regiments.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 chromedog wrote:
90% of GW's "deathworld" concept came from Harry Harrison's novels of the same name (1960s period books, so predated 40k by a couple of decades) and they were considered OTT back in the 1960s.

That and the old science fiction concept of "1 planet = 1 theme" that carried through to like half the old metal Guard regiments.

Which to be fair is just taking themes we already see with real world countries and upscaling it to planets.

Catachanerd wrote:
Who ever wrote that every single plant is hostile and toxic and these creatures ,everything wants to kill you ,nobody would have survived, lets use logic and reason here , how do you possibly make in an envinorment that every organism wants to devour, turn you to something else etc, just imagine walking in the Jungle or anything nobody can be aware 24/7 and survive under these conditions.

They went to far with it. Catachan lore has to be re-written to sound at least remotely possible to survive.

Nah if anything they sold them short.

Moriarty wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
I heard they were going to name a bridge on Terra after Sly Marbo, but no one would dare cross it, so they had to change the name.

It is said that Sly Marco does not do ‘push ups’, rather he pushes the planet -down-. . .

I heard the astra militaries budget for next year was sly Mario, his gun and 4 billion rounds of ammunition.

'Sly marbo' is also the leading cause of death amongst orks, nids, necrons and chaos space marines.

For starters, let me raise an eyebrow at an user who registered today under the name "Catachan nerd" and in his very first post, apparently, wants Catachan lore to be rewritten.

Secondly, the Imperium has thousands upon thousands of worlds that are partially or completely covered in jungles. No problem whatsoever to homebrew a Vietnam-esque Guard regiment hailing from a less insane world than Catachan.

 Overread wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

 chromedog wrote:
90% of GW's "deathworld" concept came from Harry Harrison's novels of the same name (1960s period books, so predated 40k by a couple of decades) and they were considered OTT back in the 1960s.

That and the old science fiction concept of "1 planet = 1 theme" that carried through to like half the old metal Guard regiments.

Which to be fair is just taking themes we already see with real world countries and upscaling it to planets.

Don't look at us, we have something like 5 different biomes in our country alone let alone our continent.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Overread wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

 chromedog wrote:
90% of GW's "deathworld" concept came from Harry Harrison's novels of the same name (1960s period books, so predated 40k by a couple of decades) and they were considered OTT back in the 1960s.

That and the old science fiction concept of "1 planet = 1 theme" that carried through to like half the old metal Guard regiments.

Which to be fair is just taking themes we already see with real world countries and upscaling it to planets.

Don't look at us, we have something like 5 different biomes in our country alone let alone our continent.

It seems a bit strange to say "Catachan lore needs to be re-written so they can survive" when Catachan lore *already* tells us how they survive - they live in heavily defended fortress cities where they learn the necessary survival tactics from a young age and those who aren't quick, smart or just lucky enough obviously don't survive long.

They don't live within the jungle and they have to extremely aware of the dangers within when they do venture in.