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So I saw a video on youtube today, states that the new freeblade rules basically allow you to drop a knight into a list for no charge other than cost. No CP. I think you still lose your purity bonus though, so my question is, can my Custodes now rock a Castellan in their midst? How is this a good idea?

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
So I saw a video on youtube today, states that the new freeblade rules basically allow you to drop a knight into a list for no charge other than cost. No CP. I think you still lose your purity bonus though, so my question is, can my Custodes now rock a Castellan in their midst? How is this a good idea?

well IF it is true, you'd probably still be gimping yourself by bringing 400-ish pts of knights instead of custodes

The last time I saw a rules change from GW that I genuinely think was a good idea was the Jink nerf going from 6th to 7th.

Actually, no, wait, the beta fix to quad-mortars in 30k is a pretty good idea.

There was a leak for Chaos, not seen a Loyalist one yet...

 Sasori wrote:

beast_gts wrote:
There was a leak for Chaos, not seen a Loyalist one yet...

 Sasori wrote:

So this effectively works the opposite way to what Fezzik heard: you keep your purity bonus, but you have to pay the 3CP for the SHAD. Now whether or not it's a "bad idea" depends on if the Knight gets any of its codex benefits, IE: strategems, Warlord traits, and faction traits. If it does, then it's bad, because it would invalidate the faction specific LoWs available to the factions that Knights would be available to. If they don't? Then it's just another available LoW that doesn't get the "shared faction bonus", and costs extra CP because of it.

Taking a single knight is a horrible HORRIBLE idea.
Becuase guess what is going to get focused and taken off the table turn one? the knight.

 Backspacehacker wrote:
Taking a single knight is a horrible HORRIBLE idea.
Becuase guess what is going to get focused and taken off the table turn one? the knight.

That's probably why most people that I've seen taking an interest in this are thinking of a pack of Wardogs instead of a big knight.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

 Backspacehacker wrote:
Taking a single knight is a horrible HORRIBLE idea.
Becuase guess what is going to get focused and taken off the table turn one? the knight.

That's probably why most people that I've seen taking an interest in this are thinking of a pack of Wardogs instead of a big knight.

Or just drop the contents of the Chaos Knights special box down as is- one big knight and two little guys.

Probably why they updated the rules.

PenitentJake wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

 Backspacehacker wrote:
Taking a single knight is a horrible HORRIBLE idea.
Becuase guess what is going to get focused and taken off the table turn one? the knight.

That's probably why most people that I've seen taking an interest in this are thinking of a pack of Wardogs instead of a big knight.

Or just drop the contents of the Chaos Knights special box down as is- one big knight and two little guys.

Probably why they updated the rules.

No, that would break the leaked rule shown above, because it would be two units, and the rule says that only one Dreadblade unit can have the AGENT OF CHAOS keyword. You could still do it, but you wouldn't be able to benefit from the rule, and would lose your purity bonus.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

 Backspacehacker wrote:
Taking a single knight is a horrible HORRIBLE idea.
Becuase guess what is going to get focused and taken off the table turn one? the knight.

That's probably why most people that I've seen taking an interest in this are thinking of a pack of Wardogs instead of a big knight.

I call it the predator dilemma which happened back in 8th.
If you took 1 predator, it would always get focused down, so you had to take 2 in order to get to shoot with one, but at that point if you are taking 2, you might as well take 3 in order to get the strat.

Same issues with knights, if you take one, its gonna die so you ahve to take 2, and if you take 2, at that point you might as well take 3 and get the extra relics and warlord traits and just run a knight army.

The other issue with a knight in general is that in the lethality of 9th the only thing the knight has going for it, is a T8, 3+ means nothing anymore, and a 5++ is about just as useless.

 Backspacehacker wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

 Backspacehacker wrote:
Taking a single knight is a horrible HORRIBLE idea.
Becuase guess what is going to get focused and taken off the table turn one? the knight.

That's probably why most people that I've seen taking an interest in this are thinking of a pack of Wardogs instead of a big knight.

I call it the predator dilemma which happened back in 8th.
If you took 1 predator, it would always get focused down, so you had to take 2 in order to get to shoot with one, but at that point if you are taking 2, you might as well take 3 in order to get the strat.

Same issues with knights, if you take one, its gonna die so you ahve to take 2, and if you take 2, at that point you might as well take 3 and get the extra relics and warlord traits and just run a knight army.

The other issue with a knight in general is that in the lethality of 9th the only thing the knight has going for it, is a T8, 3+ means nothing anymore, and a 5++ is about just as useless.

"Means nothing" is a bit of a stretch but beyond that a 5++ isn't "useless" either. It's still 1/3 of all incoming wounds saved.

 Backspacehacker wrote:
I call it the predator dilemma which happened back in 8th.
If you took 1 predator, it would always get focused down, so you had to take 2 in order to get to shoot with one, but at that point if you are taking 2, you might as well take 3 in order to get the strat.

Same issues with knights, if you take one, its gonna die so you ahve to take 2, and if you take 2, at that point you might as well take 3 and get the extra relics and warlord traits and just run a knight army.

The other issue with a knight in general is that in the lethality of 9th the only thing the knight has going for it, is a T8, 3+ means nothing anymore, and a 5++ is about just as useless.

Not sure the incentive to just take more Knights is very compelling.

Knights have a lot more going for them in terms of wounds / toughness / saves, and adding one is kind of a force multiplier. If your opponent does focus on them, those are shots not going into the rest of your army.

For all the complaints about 9th, I like the fact the game is 5 turns. Focus Fire isn't always a good strategy when it means 20% of your offense is going into a single unit. Especially when it means dedicated melee units get into position for devastating charges, claiming objectives, etc.

with the amount of wounds that can be dished out, i say a 5++ is not much because even if you save 1/3 of them, that 2/3 is going to profile you brutally.


The issue there is, its not really a force multiplier, because a single knight will hardly get to do anything. They are horribly hard to hide in most terrain setups, and if your opponent goes first, they are just going to focus, kill and or braket taht single knight. Which at that point, its a 2k vs 1600 point game.
Focus fire usually not a good strategy, but when that strategy means taking out your oponents heavy hitter, its well worth it.


Either way, i personally do not advise you taking just a single knight, i have seen it back fire more then i actually helps.

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
So I saw a video on youtube today, states that the new freeblade rules basically allow you to drop a knight into a list for no charge other than cost. No CP. I think you still lose your purity bonus though, so my question is, can my Custodes now rock a Castellan in their midst? How is this a good idea?

You can already rock Knights with Custodes currently and just lose out on the Katahs, which is a pretty decent trade off in my opinion. My "Lance of the Emperor" force does not seem to mind that loss too much in return for what a few Knights can bring to the table, although I do expect once new Knights codex comes out that they too will have a purity ability that is lost when souped (guessing maybe the Questoris benefit).

If I surrounded the knight with max squad Vertus Praetors with HBs and Meltas, who cares. Your list will still be dead turn 1. This is completely silly. I mean, it's ratcheting up the silly to 11 now. I don't have to worry about that force of Daemons because I have 4d6 Autohitting S6 AP3 D2 Knight flamers.

 Backspacehacker wrote:
The issue there is, its not really a force multiplier, because a single knight will hardly get to do anything. They are horribly hard to hide in most terrain setups, and if your opponent goes first, they are just going to focus, kill and or braket taht single knight. Which at that point, its a 2k vs 1600 point game.
Focus fire usually not a good strategy, but when that strategy means taking out your oponents heavy hitter, its well worth it.

Being a force multiplier doesn't mean a unit has to do anything, just that it makes other units more effective.

Soaking up all your opponent's offense for a turn certainly fits the definition, so long as this enables other units to operate unchallenged.

 Backspacehacker wrote:
Either way, i personally do not advise you taking just a single knight, i have seen it back fire more then i actually helps.

Appreciate the advice, you are generous to offer!