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Just noticed that the Imperial Armour Compendium FAQ has been updated today (11/05/2022). Looks like Eldar & 'Nid stuff.

PDF Link

Stonecrusher Carnifexes got done dirty.

Eldar Shadow Spectres get given the CORE keyword in line with other aspect warriors
Eldar Wraithseer & Skathach Wraithknights get the -1D ability in line with other wraith constructs

Carnifex variants in the codex have both of these, but Stonecrushers received neither. Clearly their WS4+ is too powerful for any extra boosts!

Ah... this basically just changes for eldar and nids.

But at 6 pages of formatting issues, keyword monkeying and general gibberish, it might be time to redo the book and do it proper.

Well they didn't make Hierodules into Lords of War, so that's nice.

No updates on weapons makes my Hornets sad :(

Shadows Spectres are interesting now, still can't believe they don't get exarch powers -.-

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

No updates on weapons makes my Hornets sad :(

Shadows Spectres are interesting now, still can't believe they don't get exarch powers -.-

GW internal politics meaning they do as little as possible to support FW models? Even to the point of damaging sales for GW plc as a whole? Yeah, I can believe it.

And I wouldn't expect a new edition of the Compendium until 10th, unfortunately.

 Dysartes wrote:

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

No updates on weapons makes my Hornets sad :(

Shadows Spectres are interesting now, still can't believe they don't get exarch powers -.-

GW internal politics meaning they do as little as possible to support FW models? Even to the point of damaging sales for GW plc as a whole? Yeah, I can believe it.

And I wouldn't expect a new edition of the Compendium until 10th, unfortunately.

GW are the ones handling FW. It's the same company

 VladimirHerzog wrote:
GW are the ones handling FW. It's the same company

There are different rules teams though, and FW used to write their own rules for 40k units. That's not the case anymore (and hasn't been for a while), so now FW units get 40k rules form the 40k team.

When they can be bothered.

If they have time.

If they can remember.

Was Aikos not an HQ already?

I know e-vehicles are a massive trend but ...why are they still not giving cloud of smoke to Ork bikerboss and biker nobs? Are orks now green conscious?

Orkz wuz always green conshus, ya git! If yous ain't green ta look at, 'ow're dem humies sapposed ta know yous an ORK?

Dysartes wrote:

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

No updates on weapons makes my Hornets sad :(

Shadows Spectres are interesting now, still can't believe they don't get exarch powers -.-

GW internal politics meaning they do as little as possible to support FW models? Even to the point of damaging sales for GW plc as a whole? Yeah, I can believe it.

And I wouldn't expect a new edition of the Compendium until 10th, unfortunately.

Yup, nailed it.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

 VladimirHerzog wrote:
GW are the ones handling FW. It's the same company

There are different rules teams though, and FW used to write their own rules for 40k units. That's not the case anymore (and hasn't been for a while), so now FW units get 40k rules form the 40k team.

When they can be bothered.

If they have time.

If they can remember.

No, it has nothing to do with whether they're bothered, have the time, or remember. It's as Dysartes said: politics. The main gw studio is still so that fw made better models, and wrote better rules, and lore, throughout 6th and 7th that they want to make fw units as bland and lackluster as possible. Removed special rules, rarely given a balance pass, little to no cohesion with the rest of their respective codexes, and only given the least bit of attention when they do get it, usually months after the codex is released. And even rules to penalize you for using them, if your army has "Marines" in it's name.

Well the friendly Warhammer 40k Facebook page suggested I contact 40kFAQ@gwplc.com to let them know.

So I did just that, explaining that the Stonecrusher Carnifex:

1. Did not gain Core.
2. Did not gain Death Throes.
3. Didn't change to WS3+.
4. Didn't go up to 9 wounds.
5. Didn't get a 2+ Save.
6. Didn't gain the Armoured Exoskeleton rule.
7. Didn't gain the Blistering Assault rule.
8. Didn't gain any extra attacks when all the other 'Fexes did.
9. Doesn't have the Thornback keyword (or access to it) which it probably should...? Maybe?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Well the friendly Warhammer 40k Facebook page suggested I contact 40kFAQ@gwplc.com to let them know.

So I did just that, explaining that the Stonecrusher Carnifex:

1. Did not gain Core.
2. Did not gain Death Throes.
3. Didn't change to WS3+.
4. Didn't go up to 9 wounds.
5. Didn't get a 2+ Save.
6. Didn't gain the Armoured Exoskeleton rule.
7. Didn't gain the Blistering Assault rule.
8. Didn't gain any extra attacks when all the other 'Fexes did.
9. Doesn't have the Thornback keyword (or access to it) which it probably should...? Maybe?

I've not read the 'Nid 'dex myself, but I take it that 1-8 are standard for a Fex these days?

All standard, yes.

No real reason they shouldn't get them, then.

But, as you say, GW never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity...

100£ spent on resin is less profitable than 100£ on plastic.

 waefre_1 wrote:
Orkz wuz always green conshus, ya git! If yous ain't green ta look at, 'ow're dem humies sapposed ta know yous an ORK?

Yeah well, good an all. Some Aeldari things get fixed, some nyds ....but f@#£ orks

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Well the friendly Warhammer 40k Facebook page suggested I contact 40kFAQ@gwplc.com to let them know.

So I did just that, explaining that the Stonecrusher Carnifex:

1. Did not gain Core.
2. Did not gain Death Throes.
3. Didn't change to WS3+.
4. Didn't go up to 9 wounds.
5. Didn't get a 2+ Save.
6. Didn't gain the Armoured Exoskeleton rule.
7. Didn't gain the Blistering Assault rule.
8. Didn't gain any extra attacks when all the other 'Fexes did.
9. Doesn't have the Thornback keyword (or access to it) which it probably should...? Maybe?

Totally reasonable, and I wish Nids players good luck in getting this fixed. But, almost two years after the Compendium released and for CSM:

1: Dreadclaws got their deployment rules fixed..... but they're still in the wrong FOC slot (FA instead of Dedicated Transport)
2: Contemptors with paired melee weapons still get nothing, while every other unit that I can think of with that option gets some kind of bonus for it, and twin chainclaws cost extra.
3: Everything that has the MACHINE SPIRIT keyword for loyalists still lacks it for Chaos, and Death Guard has had their MACHINE SPIRIT strat for almost as long as the Compendium has been out, and all of those units are available to them. Same for Thousand Sons.
4: Still no clarification if the standard hull mounted heavy bolter is included in the base price for Sicarans. And this is just a question that needs clarification, not a rules change.

And that's just off the top of my head (and yes, I've written 40kFAQ@gwplc.com about all of these), and just CSM. Plenty of other stuff needs fixing for other factions. Gw just doesn't seem to want to keep fw units up to standard.

GW's maintenance of FW rules are an absolute joke. Given how poorly they've updated the Ork units (looking at you Nob Bikers, WB on Warbike and Kannonwagon not having the Wagon keyword), I'll imagine that this is one and done and will be forgotten until the next edition.

Stonecrusher Carnifex is now on LCTB.

That explains why it got no love in the FAQ. They literally don't give a gak about the models people already have. I doubt it'll even get the Legends treatment.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Stonecrusher Carnifex is now on LCTB.

That explains why it got no love in the FAQ. They literally don't give a gak about the models people already have. I doubt it'll even get the Legends treatment.

If history is any judge (*cough*Elysians*cough*), the one thing we can count on for FW models is that they get sent to Legends...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Stonecrusher Carnifex is now on LCTB.

That explains why it got no love in the FAQ. They literally don't give a gak about the models people already have. I doubt it'll even get the Legends treatment.

They could Legends it when the current Imperial Armor Compendium goes out of print. Or they can just say, proxy it for a Carnifex. Those rules are better than those for the SCC anyway

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Well the friendly Warhammer 40k Facebook page suggested I contact 40kFAQ@gwplc.com to let them know.

So I did just that, explaining that the Stonecrusher Carnifex:

1. Did not gain Core.
2. Did not gain Death Throes.
3. Didn't change to WS3+.
4. Didn't go up to 9 wounds.
5. Didn't get a 2+ Save.
6. Didn't gain the Armoured Exoskeleton rule.
7. Didn't gain the Blistering Assault rule.
8. Didn't gain any extra attacks when all the other 'Fexes did.
9. Doesn't have the Thornback keyword (or access to it) which it probably should...? Maybe?

They don't care. Did the same for orks multiple times now. Nob bikers don't even have the nob keyword.

 Jidmah wrote:
They don't care. Did the same for orks multiple times now. Nob bikers don't even have the nob keyword.

Well, certainly not now that it's on LCTB.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
They don't care. Did the same for orks multiple times now. Nob bikers don't even have the nob keyword.

Well, certainly not now that it's on LCTB.

They don't care much about the kits that they still sell either. At best, sometime after the parent codex is released, they'll update some keywords and rules so that they'll function in that codex, but they don't care if they're internally balanced with the units in the codex, or externally balanced with the current game. And sometimes they don't even get those relevant keywords and rules, as the various Ork players in this thread have pointed out about their fw units.

On a side note- Is there any way to tell what is still legal to use in 40K events and what is "Legends"? Shouldn't there be some mark or symbol denoting "Legend" status?

...you look at the Legends PDF for Imperial Armour, available for free here?

Note that some things may have vanished from sale, but not made it into the PDF yet - if they're in the Compendium, then they're still good to go.

This reminds me - I never did hear back after I sent them a list of things that need adding into Legends. Must do that again.

Stonecrusher is on last chance to buy, so I think the reason they didn't get an update is that they will likely get Legendsed pretty soon. Or quietly forgotten.

Either way, it's on its way out.

 Dysartes wrote:
...you look at the Legends PDF for Imperial Armour, available for free here?

Note that some things may have vanished from sale, but not made it into the PDF yet - if they're in the Compendium, then they're still good to go.

This reminds me - I never did hear back after I sent them a list of things that need adding into Legends. Must do that again.

Dude they did take 3 months to realise that they made it so that R&H legends entries couldn't hold any objective at all and half the equipment is still missing on top of that.

They won't react realistically.