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2022/05/24 23:12:52
Subject: Using Sharpies to prime models
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Neophyte undergoing Ritual of Detestation
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Please don't hate me, I know you spent a lot of money on paints and such,
but this has been really good because the sharpie ink is particularly tacky.
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2022/05/24 23:18:31
Subject: Using Sharpies to prime models
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Ultramarine Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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^haha, lolwut? Does that work? Does it last? If you spill your liquor on it does it wash away?
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2022/05/24 23:21:39
Subject: Using Sharpies to prime models
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Neophyte undergoing Ritual of Detestation
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Insectum7 wrote:^haha, lolwut? Does that work? Does it last? If you spill your liquor on it does it wash away?
I mean...
sharpie has a reputation for just not coming off. lol.
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2022/05/25 01:54:16
Subject: Using Sharpies to prime models
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Did Fulgrim Just Behead Ferrus?
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I don't know about using markers to prime models, but in the past I've seen markers used to paint models. Whether it be metallic markers used for trim and details, or even painting the whole model.
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2022/05/25 02:35:35
Subject: Using Sharpies to prime models
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Neophyte undergoing Ritual of Detestation
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Tannhauser42 wrote:I don't know about using markers to prime models, but in the past I've seen markers used to paint models. Whether it be metallic markers used for trim and details, or even painting the whole model.
This is what I do.
Even though I just began collecting and painting, my first models look pretty damn good. I'll put up a picture soon.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MourKE62G5uEdWfDr-gSM8je50k0EGhI/view?usp=sharing
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2022/05/25 14:04:08
Subject: Using Sharpies to prime models
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Frenzied Berserker Terminator
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If it works for you and you're happy with the results, then fair play, go for it. Personally I can't imagine anything more frustrating than trying to get the tip of a sharpie into all the nooks and crannies on the average GW model!
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2022/05/25 18:36:03
Subject: Using Sharpies to prime models
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Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord
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Insectum7 wrote:^haha, lolwut? Does that work? Does it last? If you spill your liquor on it does it wash away?
Well....
I "painted" my very first minis with Graffic Traffic pens (which were a line of permanent markers for custom colouring a line of white Matchbox cars), the Chaos Champions from Legend of Zagor. It didn't turn out well. At all.
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2022/05/25 21:19:28
Subject: Using Sharpies to prime models
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[MOD]
Otiose in a Niche
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I cannot imagine what the benefit would be.
Spray priming takes a few seconds to do and a few minutes to dry. And I almost never have it come off.
What benefit does scribbling over dozens of models with a sharpie have?
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2022/05/26 01:59:27
Subject: Re:Using Sharpies to prime models
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Grumpy Longbeard
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Markers been used in the hobby before yes.
Sharpies are permanent markers, until you put some rubbing alcohol on them or hand sanitizer.
I think spilling hard liqueur or bottle of hand sanitizer on your models is highly unlikely.
However when sealing the model, the varnish might act as a solvent to the sharpie right before it sets.
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2022/05/26 17:35:45
Subject: Re:Using Sharpies to prime models
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Stealthy Grot Snipa
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Mothsniper wrote:
I think spilling hard liqueur or bottle of hand sanitizer on your models is highly unlikely.
You've never played with me or Jim then...
Tell you what though, these might be handy for doing freehand shapes on armour for blind old fethers like me with no brush control - may have to have a play...
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2022/05/26 17:46:56
Subject: Using Sharpies to prime models
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Leader of the Sept
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You could get one of those airbrush adapters and spray your sharpie as an under/base coat
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2022/05/26 18:12:35
Subject: Using Sharpies to prime models
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Neophyte undergoing Ritual of Detestation
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Kid_Kyoto wrote:I cannot imagine what the benefit would be.
Spray priming takes a few seconds to do and a few minutes to dry. And I almost never have it come off.
What benefit does scribbling over dozens of models with a sharpie have?
It's mostly convenience. I can just do them whenever I feel like it with little startup time or preparation.
If you already have an apparatus, that is def what you should do.
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2022/05/26 18:17:53
Subject: Using Sharpies to prime models
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Grizzled Space Wolves Great Wolf
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One warning I have is that over time the sharpie may bleed through the paint. It's not common any more, but in years gone by people have used markers for preshading of models and reports I read were that it'd look good initially and then some time later the preshading would start bleeding through and become too prominent.
I can't attest to that personally, as I've never tried it myself, it's just something I've read over the years.
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2022/05/26 18:40:31
Subject: Using Sharpies to prime models
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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How well does paint stick to sharpie ink? Isn’t it glossy and designed to be a top layer? I’d have thought thinned paints would run all over it
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2022/05/26 18:57:03
Subject: Using Sharpies to prime models
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Daemonic Dreadnought
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mrFickle wrote:How well does paint stick to sharpie ink? Isn’t it glossy and designed to be a top layer? I’d have thought thinned paints would run all over it
Acrylic paint does not adhere to ink.
Sharpie ink is Permachrome, which is primarily Xylene and a polymer binder. While it's called permanent, that's not exactly true because it can be wiped off most surfaces.
While it's possible for paint to dry on top of this ink, the binding would be weak without some kind of solvent (i.e. alcohol.) Without a binder, the paint would just be a thin layer on top of the ink. You'd probably be able to peel the paint off in a single sheet.
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2022/05/26 20:13:03
Subject: Using Sharpies to prime models
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Neophyte undergoing Ritual of Detestation
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techsoldaten wrote:mrFickle wrote:How well does paint stick to sharpie ink? Isn’t it glossy and designed to be a top layer? I’d have thought thinned paints would run all over it
Acrylic paint does not adhere to ink.
Sharpie ink is Permachrome, which is primarily Xylene and a polymer binder. While it's called permanent, that's not exactly true because it can be wiped off most surfaces.
While it's possible for paint to dry on top of this ink, the binding would be weak without some kind of solvent (i.e. alcohol.) Without a binder, the paint would just be a thin layer on top of the ink. You'd probably be able to peel the paint off in a single sheet.
This is interesting. I might have to rethink.
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2022/05/26 20:29:11
Subject: Using Sharpies to prime models
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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The purpose of the primer is to make the surface rough enough so that the acrylic paint can adhere, stay and flow properly. Clearly the best primer is a spray can. That doesn't have to be a ridiculously priced GW spraycan, it can be a generic spray can or even hair spray, i.e. a clear coat.
While the sharpie definitely is more portable with less fuss than a spray can, it will not reach into all recesses and is unlikely to offer the right properites as a primer and long term stability.
I wouldn't recommend using a brush on primer, since that suffers from issues with the application thickness and is generally the worst product made for priming.
Your picture shows that the paint is uneven, that could be just too thick paint, or you struggling to apply it evenly on the sharpie treated surface.
If you do a grey knights force, just get a silver spray can, that will give you the base colour and a good surface to adhere to for all further painting.
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2022/05/26 20:31:07
Subject: Using Sharpies to prime models
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Neophyte undergoing Ritual of Detestation
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Stephanius wrote:
Your picture shows that the paint is uneven, that could be just too thick paint, or you struggling to apply it evenly on the sharpie treated surface.
Right so, the left arm had a storm bolter on it and when I took it off, some of the glue stayed. Is that what you're seeing?
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2022/05/27 10:38:46
Subject: Using Sharpies to prime models
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Spray cans really are the quickest option for a good result. I understand the idea that a sharpie just sits in your pocket and no mess or whatever but I think you need the right tool for the job .
However maybe you have hit upon a marketable idea, the primer pen
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2022/05/27 21:24:49
Subject: Using Sharpies to prime models
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Just_Breathe wrote: Stephanius wrote:
Your picture shows that the paint is uneven, that could be just too thick paint, or you struggling to apply it evenly on the sharpie treated surface.
Right so, the left arm had a storm bolter on it and when I took it off, some of the glue stayed. Is that what you're seeing?
No, even the flat, unmodded armour pieces show texture, that looks like way too much paint or too thick paint.
The text in the armour panels should be easily readable, but in your picture it isn't. Part of that will be the picture and the choice of colour. Everything that isn't the raised top of the letters is supposed to be darker. Applying gold thinly, applying a dark wash like nuln oil and then touching up the letters with gold again should be the way to go.
The holes in the visor shouldn't be filled with silver paint.
Don't feel bad though. "Thin your paints" is the most frequent advice given to new painters for good reason. ;-]
Below you find a picutre of a Dreadknight that I modded and painted the base colours on for a friend of mine for comparision. Not a fair comparison mind you, but something less fancy that a studio artists paintjob for the packaging and advertising.
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2022/05/28 01:26:16
Subject: Using Sharpies to prime models
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Neophyte undergoing Ritual of Detestation
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Stephanius wrote: Just_Breathe wrote: Stephanius wrote:
Your picture shows that the paint is uneven, that could be just too thick paint, or you struggling to apply it evenly on the sharpie treated surface.
Right so, the left arm had a storm bolter on it and when I took it off, some of the glue stayed. Is that what you're seeing?
No, even the flat, unmodded armour pieces show texture, that looks like way too much paint or too thick paint.
The text in the armour panels should be easily readable, but in your picture it isn't. Part of that will be the picture and the choice of colour. Everything that isn't the raised top of the letters is supposed to be darker. Applying gold thinly, applying a dark wash like nuln oil and then touching up the letters with gold again should be the way to go.
The holes in the visor shouldn't be filled with silver paint.
Don't feel bad though. "Thin your paints" is the most frequent advice given to new painters for good reason. ;-]
Below you find a picutre of a Dreadknight that I modded and painted the base colours on for a friend of mine for comparision. Not a fair comparison mind you, but something less fancy that a studio artists paintjob for the packaging and advertising.
Ah yes, I've since cleaned it up, scraping off paint from the helmet and reapplying. Getting the eyes good required many coats of silver and when I was done, it was way too thick and I just started over. This was model #1 I think. Getting the lettering done without bleeding into the recesses might be too hard. I'll try a different technique, but a wash might be the best option.
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2022/05/28 01:52:01
Subject: Re:Using Sharpies to prime models
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Grumpy Longbeard
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Skinflint Games wrote: Mothsniper wrote:
I think spilling hard liqueur or bottle of hand sanitizer on your models is highly unlikely.
You've never played with me or Jim then...
Tell you what though, these might be handy for doing freehand shapes on armour for blind old fethers like me with no brush control - may have to have a play...
Fair enough lolz
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2022/05/29 13:04:55
Subject: Using Sharpies to prime models
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Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord
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Just_Breathe wrote:
Ah yes, I've since cleaned it up, scraping off paint from the helmet and reapplying. Getting the eyes good required many coats of silver and when I was done, it was way too thick and I just started over. This was model #1 I think. Getting the lettering done without bleeding into the recesses might be too hard. I'll try a different technique, but a wash might be the best option.
Sorry mate, but that just reads to me as you're pissing into the wind with this. Seriously, get some spray primer and you won't have to take such counterproductive steps and potentially ruin your models.
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2022/05/31 23:03:05
Subject: Using Sharpies to prime models
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I'm not sure about Sharpie ink, but I made some terrain a while back where I used a ball point pen to carve stone blocks into foam. I painted it gray, gave it a black wash and then a gray drybrush. The blue ink of the pen eventually bled through the paint. I washed it with black paint again to try to cover over the blue in, but it bled through again.
The below pictures show the progress of the project, but I don't have a picture of the current look with the blue ink bleeding through, so I'll try to get one tomorrow.
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2022/06/01 01:50:19
Subject: Using Sharpies to prime models
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Stealthy Space Wolves Scout
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This is not insane at all!
I use MolotoW inks to prime my minis and it works just fine. I assume the same applies for sharpies. In my experience, if it works, don't bash it. So just do the thing and win like you should
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2022/06/01 04:28:28
Subject: Using Sharpies to prime models
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Veteran Knight Baron in a Crusader
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Just_Breathe wrote: Kid_Kyoto wrote:I cannot imagine what the benefit would be.
Spray priming takes a few seconds to do and a few minutes to dry. And I almost never have it come off.
What benefit does scribbling over dozens of models with a sharpie have?
It's mostly convenience. I can just do them whenever I feel like it with little startup time or preparation.
If you already have an apparatus, that is def what you should do.
I can't imagine how you would save any time. How long does it take to walk out in your garage and spray some models? Sure you have to wait 15 min between coats but you don't have to sit there watching paint dry. I spend a grand total of 30-45 secs actually painting to get a nice coat of primer on a whole squad. It would take me far longer to do 1 guy with a sharpie. Also it looks terrible IMO
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2022/06/01 06:56:30
Subject: Using Sharpies to prime models
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Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord
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Freya wrote:This is not insane at all!
I use MolotoW inks to prime my minis and it works just fine. I assume the same applies for sharpies. In my experience, if it works, don't bash it. So just do the thing and win like you should
OP is colouring them in with Sharpies, not using an airbrush attachment. Big difference there.
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2022/06/01 12:57:25
Subject: Using Sharpies to prime models
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Otiose in a Niche
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Toofast wrote: I can't imagine how you would save any time. How long does it take to walk out in your garage and spray some models? Sure you have to wait 15 min between coats but you don't have to sit there watching paint dry. I spend a grand total of 30-45 secs actually painting to get a nice coat of primer on a whole squad. It would take me far longer to do 1 guy with a sharpie. Also it looks terrible IMO It occurs to me the person may not have a garage or equivalent. I've primed in a parking garage in an apartment building, on a balcony or even in a bathroom with the fan on and window open, haven't suffocated myself yet. Just get a good plastic tub and be careful which way you point the can. I also love that this thread includes a chemistry lesson
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2022/06/06 14:35:57
Subject: Using Sharpies to prime models
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Stealthy Space Wolves Scout
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Grimtuff wrote: Freya wrote:This is not insane at all!
I use MolotoW inks to prime my minis and it works just fine. I assume the same applies for sharpies. In my experience, if it works, don't bash it. So just do the thing and win like you should
OP is colouring them in with Sharpies, not using an airbrush attachment. Big difference there.
Is it a big difference? You're putting ink on a mini. Paintbrush, airbrush or sharpie is unimportant. The only difference is speed. Everything I do with an airbrush I can do with a brush. So is there really a big difference other than the speed at which you can paint? Nope.
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2022/06/06 16:53:46
Subject: Using Sharpies to prime models
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Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord
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Freya wrote: Grimtuff wrote: Freya wrote:This is not insane at all!
I use MolotoW inks to prime my minis and it works just fine. I assume the same applies for sharpies. In my experience, if it works, don't bash it. So just do the thing and win like you should
OP is colouring them in with Sharpies, not using an airbrush attachment. Big difference there.
Is it a big difference? You're putting ink on a mini. Paintbrush, airbrush or sharpie is unimportant. The only difference is speed. Everything I do with an airbrush I can do with a brush. So is there really a big difference other than the speed at which you can paint? Nope.
Um, yes.
There is honestly no polite way to answer that if you really truly think those are all similar ways to apply paint...
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