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I just saw the combat patrol for the Custodes and it has more Sisters of Silence than Adeptus Custodes. Damn. Think I saw a picture of it a while ago but forgot. It doesn't even have a Blade Champion or a champion/leader of any type.

I think that if GW added any of the custodes units to the box it would be too good. Too many people would be playing the army with buying 2-3 boxs. GW seems to have a price range for all of their armies, for both AoS and w40k, and the armies have a very distinct bottom cost for a regular army.

Now compare the PTS values....

120pts worth of sisters
585pts of custodes

(both assuming barebones squads)

of course the expensive elite models will be less numerous than the chaff units

The Death Guard CP has more poxwalkers than you can legally use Death Guard.

The Thousand Sons CP has more beastmen than Thousand Sons.

 VladimirHerzog wrote:
Now compare the PTS values....

120pts worth of sisters
585pts of custodes

(both assuming barebones squads)

of course the expensive elite models will be less numerous than the chaff units

I think there is a big chance, that many custodes players both new or who are just building their army, aren't very interested in buying SoS. And for people who already have a custodes army, a patrol box is probably not that good, and if they want SoS models they could just buy a much cheaper SoS box.

I don't get that. There is already a CP for Tzeentch and Nurgle.

EDIT: Poor Dark Angels, they have 9 total.

OT: There are so many awesome individual Death Guard units, probably more than any other faction.

Karol wrote:

 VladimirHerzog wrote:
Now compare the PTS values....

120pts worth of sisters
585pts of custodes

(both assuming barebones squads)

of course the expensive elite models will be less numerous than the chaff units

I think there is a big chance, that many custodes players both new or who are just building their army, aren't very interested in buying SoS. And for people who already have a custodes army, a patrol box is probably not that good, and if they want SoS models they could just buy a much cheaper SoS box.

Its a box to introduce people to the army, not to make a full army by spamming it.... Its not really complicated


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NorthernXY wrote:
I don't get that. There is already a CP for Tzeentch and Nurgle.

OT: There are so many awesome individual Death Guard units, probably more than any other faction.

Poxwalkers and Tzaangors arent in the demon codex (and arent demons)

 VladimirHerzog wrote:


Its a box to introduce people to the army, not to make a full army by spamming it.... Its not really complicated

But SoS aren't custodes. if someone picked the army, the chance that their picked the army to play custodes and SoS is, IMO, very low. People pick custodes to play custodes. On top of that SoS aren't even a good thing to have . It turns a patrol box in to not much of a money saving option. With characters or units, people can convert, us the parts for something else, make characters or use counts as. what is a custodes player suppose to do with 10 SoS models? there are no female custodes, so they can't counts as the model. Plus the models are small and with, I think, smaller bases.

Karol wrote:

 VladimirHerzog wrote:


Its a box to introduce people to the army, not to make a full army by spamming it.... Its not really complicated

But SoS aren't custodes. if someone picked the army, the chance that their picked the army to play custodes and SoS is, IMO, very low. People pick custodes to play custodes. On top of that SoS aren't even a good thing to have . It turns a patrol box in to not much of a money saving option. With characters or units, people can convert, us the parts for something else, make characters or use counts as. what is a custodes player suppose to do with 10 SoS models? there are no female custodes, so they can't counts as the model. Plus the models are small and with, I think, smaller bases.

SoS are in the custodes Codex.... Which probably shouldve been renamed to "Talons of the Emperor".
SoS are very tightly tied to custodes in the lore too. And not everyone thinks the same. A few custodes players at my store were very happy to be able to play sisters in a cleaner way than before. and i know that i'd be playing some if i played that army.

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

Karol wrote:

 VladimirHerzog wrote:
Now compare the PTS values....

120pts worth of sisters
585pts of custodes

(both assuming barebones squads)

of course the expensive elite models will be less numerous than the chaff units

I think there is a big chance, that many custodes players both new or who are just building their army, aren't very interested in buying SoS. And for people who already have a custodes army, a patrol box is probably not that good, and if they want SoS models they could just buy a much cheaper SoS box.

Its a box to introduce people to the army, not to make a full army by spamming it.... Its not really complicated

actually with the ork CP you can make a "decent"* army by buying it 2 times, just turn the second warboss into a big mek and grab some bits to make full squads of shoota / choppa boys.

* not competitive but haveing a good foundation to which you can add and go in any direction really.

Same with the DA box, the GK box is good after the AoC change and paladins becomning a valid unit option. The GSC patrol box seems to be okey.

I'm thinking about getting the CP for the GK. I mostly paint GK, AC, and Orks.

At least you guys' Combat Patrol boxes are actual kits.

The Sisters box is: A monopose Canoness using a nearly obsolete loadout, less than half of a box of repentia. One THIRD of a box of Arco Flagellants. A monopose Penitent engine that can't be made into a Mortifier without significant kitbashing. A monopose unit of Seraphim with none of the options that make Seraphim good and also no bits to make Zephyrim, and a battle sister squad ALSO with no actual options. And a Rhino. At least it's the Sisters rhino but still.

Karol wrote:
Same with the DA box, the GK box is good after the AoC change and paladins becomning a valid unit option. The GSC patrol box seems to be okey.

The gsc one is fine, to buy multiple off, the only thing you need to do is kitbash the second magus since you can't have two times the same HQ in a detachment, which isn't that difficult, could turn it into a biphagi to boost the troops and abberants (especially if you upgrade him) or turn her into a Primus which will give you some more offensive capabilities, you got a whole lot of abberants to bonk something with, you can build two heavy support goliaths for AT if you need or want and still have 10 Akolyths which are just allround a decent and customizable unit.

Only thing really missing for that army afterwards is a nexos and maybee an iconward and or sanctus with rifle to provide crossfire markers.

Combat Patrol boxes are just introduction boxes for new players, they are not really meant to fill our your army. Custode box is fine. Its better that SoS are in it bc you are getting them at a discount now, do you want them at a discount or full price? I'd rather they be discounted bc I would play them the least.

Also some armies like DE only have 1 playable CP box, what if someone doesn't want Kabal at all? No coven and no Wyches. Its still a great starting box for sure, but its highly limited and other armies that are split gets 2 like IG/Scions.

NorthernXY wrote:
I just saw the combat patrol for the Custodes and it has more Sisters of Silence than Adeptus Custodes. Damn. Think I saw a picture of it a while ago but forgot. It doesn't even have a Blade Champion or a champion/leader of any type.

Sisters of Silence are a part of the custodes. The Warden kit also builds a leader unit in place of one of the choads.

Should'a put in 3 Allarus Terminators or something instead of 5 of the Sisters.

 Lord Damocles wrote:
The Death Guard CP has more poxwalkers than you can legally use Death Guard.

The Thousand Sons CP has more beastmen than Thousand Sons.

And these are also problems.

My #1 complaint for the new Custodes box was more Sisters of Silence models than Custodes. My number 2 complaint was no imperial fists.

Custodes are too expensive points wise. GW wanted to release a box with more than 10 models. Even with those sisters the body count (18) is already pretty low.

In terms of points there are definitely more custodes than sisters of silence. Which is what actually matters.

Again, the reap shame is they're still called "custodes" as a faction, if it was "talons of the emperor combat patrol" nobody would bat an eyelid.

Not Online!!! wrote:
actually with the ork CP you can make a "decent"* army by buying it 2 times, just turn the second warboss into a big mek and grab some bits to make full squads of shoota / choppa boys.

* not competitive but haveing a good foundation to which you can add and go in any direction really.

You can also just field it as two patrols. The main reasons why the box isn't great is because of boyz being bad under the current rules, so if that ever changes it will be fairly decent.

From a pure game rules perspective, you could even get three, but you'll run into serious clone warrior issues with having 60 boyz in 10 poses.

As I unintentionally ended up with one of the new boyz kits, I also know that there is no chance in hell that a person new to the hobby will be able to convert those to full choppa/shoota squads.

 Jidmah wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
actually with the ork CP you can make a "decent"* army by buying it 2 times, just turn the second warboss into a big mek and grab some bits to make full squads of shoota / choppa boys.

* not competitive but haveing a good foundation to which you can add and go in any direction really.

You can also just field it as two patrols. The main reasons why the box isn't great is because of boyz being bad under the current rules, so if that ever changes it will be fairly decent.

From a pure game rules perspective, you could even get three, but you'll run into serious clone warrior issues with having 60 boyz in 10 poses.

As I unintentionally ended up with one of the new boyz kits, I also know that there is no chance in hell that a person new to the hobby will be able to convert those to full choppa/shoota squads.

That is a sad fact, indeed the new boyzkit is regression of "new"-GW kits made manifest.

Overall though, for a long term collection i still would argue that it is a good deal that you could and probably should consider 2 times.

Contrast that with the GSC box though and it is lacking, if only though that the GSC box is quite phenomenal in many ways for the faction

 Blackie wrote:
Custodes are too expensive points wise. GW wanted to release a box with more than 10 models. Even with those sisters the body count (18) is already pretty low.

In terms of points there are definitely more custodes than sisters of silence. Which is what actually matters.

Also more wounds worth of custodes and more units of custodes.

I really like this box, because if I decide to buy into Custodes at all, it'll be for SoS and to use Talons in a Torchbearer Crusade. Had it been nothing but Custodes, it would have been useless to me.