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So does anyone know if there would be a way to represent a nascent version of the Adepta Sororitas (Daughters of the Emperor-esque) in 30k? Should I just use Militia and Cults whenever it comes out for the new edition? I know there are a myriad of reasons narratively why this would not work for HH and 30k in general, but I am thinking more of conflicts in the 32k-34k region. More toward the end of the Time of Rebirth and probably moreso during the Forging.

If anyone has any ideas or suggestions let me know! I just really love the Sisters of Battle and I would love to represent some facsimile of them in the 30k system. Again, I know having Sisters that are not SoS in 30k is wild, but if anyone does have any ideas just let me know. Please don't attack me too much lol, I understand the blasphemy I am asking here but I am just curious!

No because adeptus seroritis did not exist in 30k, infect it did not exist until mutch later because the sister of battle were created because of a technicality loop hole. You meantion 32 or 34th Ed but they were not even established then. They did not come around until the age of apostosy in the 36th era

You are asking how to make an army work that would not even exist at the time, your better off just running them as milita or cults and just saying they are just a guard regiment

 Backspacehacker wrote:
No because adeptus seroritis did not exist in 30k, infect it did not exist until mutch later because the sister of battle were created because of a technicality loop hole. You meantion 32 or 34th Ed but they were not even established then. They did not come around until the age of apostosy in the 36th era

You are asking how to make an army work that would not even exist at the time, your better off just running them as milita or cults and just saying they are just a guard regiment

Thanks for the help! Yea I am not saying Adepta Sororitas existed in the 32nd or 34th Millenia I am simply saying that we know from their lore that there was an all female Order or Cult on San Leor at least several centuries (if not a millennium or more) before Goge Vandire showed up to trick them into being his personal fighting force. There is a possibility that this cult may have existed for at least a millennium or two before the 36th so there is a possibility that they may have been around as early as the 34th in this feudal/low tech cult form.

Depending on how the militia and cults rules look I was just wondering if things like autoguns/pistols/basic close combat weapons and other low tech weapons would be best. This would not be a "good" army by any means, just a way to represent some kind of fanatical cult that sees the Emperor as a deity of some kind. If there are some kind of fanatical rites of war or whatever the imperial militia and cults forces are going to get then all the better, but this army would be nominally allied to the Imperium while still being it's own thing, and all female cult devoted to the worship of the Emperor as a god.

in the horus heresy the ecclisarchy wasn't even a thing. the closest you'd likely gt are sisters of silence I'm afraid

BrianDavion wrote:
in the horus heresy the ecclisarchy wasn't even a thing. the closest you'd likely gt are sisters of silence I'm afraid

Well like I have been saying, I am targeting this army more toward the "30k" part of the system, not necessarily the Horus Heresy. Again, somewhere around the era of the Forging and probably a bit after, so around 2-3 millennia before the Age of Apostasy, and since the Eccelsiarchy was founded in the 32nd Millennium, it does make sense that there could be plenty of Imperial cults about at that time (those that were left who primarily follow the Imperial Creed of course). Maybe these aren't even the actual Daughters that become the Adepta Sororitas during the Age of Apostasy, but rather some offshoot cult that just use a similar name or something.

I think I am going to wait until the Imperial Militia and Cults index comes out and go from there. My hope is that there is some way to adequately represent them, even just a whole converted army using different bits than the GW Sister sculpts of course. This is just a labor of love to get some form of the army I love into the 30k system, and I highly doubt it will even be over 1000 points worth of models (based on how the Militia and Cults Index looks of course). I have always been upset that GW never really cared about the period between the HH and 40k, so having an army trying to represent that period would just be really cool, and timewise it's closer to 30k than 40k technically.

GFdoubles wrote:
Well like I have been saying, I am targeting this army more toward the "30k" part of the system, not necessarily the Horus Heresy. Again, somewhere around the era of the Forging and probably a bit after, so around 2-3 millennia before the Age of Apostasy, and since the Eccelsiarchy was founded in the 32nd Millennium, it does make sense that there could be plenty of Imperial cults about at that time (those that were left who primarily follow the Imperial Creed of course). Maybe these aren't even the actual Daughters that become the Adepta Sororitas during the Age of Apostasy, but rather some offshoot cult that just use a similar name or something.

I think the issue here is seeing HH as 30k when it isn't.
The AoD ruleset and now the HH ruleset are very specifically meant to represent the events of the Horus Heresy, not the years after the Heresy ended but before M40. Warhammer 40k represents everything post-Heresy regardless of the actual date of events. So from a background perspective, your army couldn't be a religious order dedicated to the Emperor, as none existed during the Heresy.
They could very easily be a warrior order that only accepts women into its ranks but religion would be a big no-no if they served the Imperium.

I have always been upset that GW never really cared about the period between the HH and 40k, so having an army trying to represent that period would just be really cool, and timewise it's closer to 30k than 40k technically.

Define "cared".
The timeline isn't just a blank page from the end of the Heresy to M41, in fact, it's the opposite. The War of the Beast, the Black Crusades, the Age of Apostasy, the Nova Terra Interregnum, and the War of the False Primarch are all major events off the top of my head that can easily be represented by 40k's rules.

I think the only way you could really possibly pull it off was if it was some fanatical guard regement that worked with the word bearers. Outside of that a sisters army does not really work in HH.

The problem too with using it as a guard army is sisters are now on 32s, Imperial army are on 25s so, even then it wont work from a rule perspective. The best advise i can give you is, dont play them in 30k/hh

Thanks for all this guys.

When it comes to the period between the HH and 40k, of course all of those major events that you mentioned happen. What I really mean is that the era just after HH but before the Age of Apostasy (around 32k-34k) I have always felt should have some kind of system of its own, though I am well aware that it doesn't really need it nor will it ever happen. However, HH and 30k in general have always been interchangeable terms to me, and anything pre-Age of Apostasy and Black Crusades should still see many of the Heresy-era vehicles and units used, so I have always associated these eras with 30k rather than 40k.

Ideally, my gaming group and I would not be using this army in actual heresy-era games per se, but they would represent a force in the early stages of the post-Heresy era instead (around 33k and on).

As I said, I am interested to see what the other Indexes do with the new AoD ruleset. Maybe we will have certain basic units in Imperial Militia and Cults going to 32mm bases, especially things like Grenadiers perhaps. Just remains to be seen, so I am going to keep the idea in the back of my mind and see what I can do when the rest comes out.

So the era you are talking about is called the Scouring. More or less it was the continuation of the HH as chaos basically established their footholds and the imperium took back what they could.

I would definitely not say the age of apostasy is HH, it very much was well after the fact, because at that point its even past the war of the beast series, which is when a lot of the primarchs by then also buggered off or disapeared by then.

The Scouring actually began and ended in the early years of M.31 and it was the start point for the modern institutions of the Imperium from the Astartes Chapters to the Imperial Guard and Navy. The forces of the Imperium were very much in their modern configuration very early post-Heresy with most Chapters being equipped with newer patterns of vehicles and armour after the immense losses each Legion sustained during the Heresy.
By the War of the Beast in M.32, there had even been a Third Founding, although some Legion veterans such as Maximus Thane still lived, serving in high-ranking positions within various Chapters. In the War of the Beast novels, I'm also fairly certain how it mentions that by that point most Chapters were using MkVI as their primary armour.

I dont recall though, is the lore with the space wolves still they basically told Girlyman to go pound sand and remained as a legion? or did that get retconned?

The Wolves said no to the Codex but Russ intended to have a huge force of Wolves Successors surrounding the Eye of Terror, watching and waiting for the return of the Traitor Legions. This was the reason the Wolf Brothers were founded but the instability of the Wolves' geneseed led the Chapter to ruin, with many becoming Wulfen, an entire Company turning to Khorne and the rest being hidden by Russ before their extermination by the Imperium.
It's never said what exactly the problem with the Wolf Brothers ever was as many survived well into M.41 as part of various Chaos Warbands and both Cawl and the Emperor were able to create large numbers of Astartes without Leman Russ, yet with the Primarch still around the Sons of Russ project failed. I guess it could be chalked up to interference by the Thousand Sons, Alpha Legion or even the Inquisition.

 Backspacehacker wrote:
So the era you are talking about is called the Scouring. More or less it was the continuation of the HH as chaos basically established their footholds and the imperium took back what they could.

I would definitely not say the age of apostasy is HH, it very much was well after the fact, because at that point its even past the war of the beast series, which is when a lot of the primarchs by then also buggered off or disapeared by then.

Again, I am not for one minute saying that the Age of Apostasy is the Horus Heresy. All I am positing is that at some point during the latter post-Heresy years (like the Scouring, the Second Founding, War of the Beast, the Age of the Imperium, and the Forging) there could have easily been a fanatical group of warrior nuns dedicated to the God Emperor as some sort of Imperial Cult, 2000-3000 years after the HH. Like I have been saying throughout all of this, this army would not be for HH per se, but for "30k" as a whole. If 40k can encompass the Age of Apostasy and just prior up through the current timeline, I don't see an issue having 30k continue well past the post-Heresy era into at least the Age of the Imperium or even the Forging.

Yes the foundations of the modern Imperium are easily there within the first 1000 years after the Heresy, with Adeptus Astartes chapters, specialized Imperial Guard regiments, the Imperial Creed, etc. but I don't see too much of a problem considering the latter parts of the 32nd into the 33rd millennium as 30k instead of 40k despite those stark contrasts. As far as my 30k gaming group is concerned, nobody seems to be opposed to it, and would still play their Legions against me if I was using a force that was supposed to be from a few thousand years after the Heresy, so depending on the exact Liber Imperium rules, there may be a way to create a zealotry themed force with a certain Provenance or something that makes sense. If it doesn't work I won't do it, but if there is even a slight possibility of figuring it out once the Liber drops, I am fine just using some third party models and converting them a bunch to make it work. This would never be for any kind of competitive/tournament play or anything, just very narrative games within my own gaming group (but probably set in the post-Heresy era, post Ecclesiarchy, so at least the 32nd Millennium).

GFdoubles wrote:
Again, I am not for one minute saying that the Age of Apostasy is the Horus Heresy. All I am positing is that at some point during the latter post-Heresy years (like the Scouring, the Second Founding, War of the Beast, the Age of the Imperium, and the Forging) there could have easily been a fanatical group of warrior nuns dedicated to the God Emperor as some sort of Imperial Cult, 2000-3000 years after the HH. Like I have been saying throughout all of this, this army would not be for HH per se, but for "30k" as a whole. If 40k can encompass the Age of Apostasy and just prior up through the current timeline, I don't see an issue having 30k continue well past the post-Heresy era into at least the Age of the Imperium or even the Forging.

Not to sound like a prick but if we were to take "30k" in the same as "40k" as you are sort of doing, then literally every single event prior to 001.M40 is 30k. So by definition, the Age of Apostasy is 30k.
But it's not just about the timeline, it's about the way the armies of the game are structured and the background regarding them. The armies in the HH game represent those of the conflict, and 7 years after the Heresy ended the Astartes weren't Legions, the Mechanicum was massively reorganised and restricted, the Custodes were bound to Terra and the Sisters of Silence mostly disappeared. The only army lists that could really work are the Cults/Militia, Solar Auxilia (as a form of Guard Regiment), and Knights (because the HH and 40k lists are basically the same).

Ultimately if your community has decided that they want to do that, there's nothing anyone else can do about it.

That's exactly what I am discussing here though! While much of my group plays Legiones Astartes armies, all are fine with running them as chapters or warbands that no longer follow the Principia Bellicosa (many legions during the Heresy barely followed that organization and structure anyway) and are more organized like the First and Second Foundings. Then another part of the group plays mostly non-Astartes Imperium armies (one of which who plays Custodes, which we would be fine allowing off Terra occasionally despite that not really being in the lore) and I would be playing a version of a Cults/Militia army that just fits more of a "zealot/fanatic" aesthetic.

We are not going to completely destroy the setting or ruin the lore, but just be more flexible with it. Certain games played during the Heresy (in which I would obviously not be trying to play an army like this) and other games played in that era of the Scouring and on up through the Age of the Imperium. This would be the part of the timeline where I would be trying to make an army like this work, along with the guys in the group who play Knights, Auxilia, or other Cults and Militia forces).

I fully understand the setting of this as a more "historical" kind of wargame, but I don't see many issues with my group expanding the setting outside of the Heresy up through a few thousand years after if we want to, and it would be in this expanded setting where I would be trying to make this army work.

 Gert wrote:
The AoD ruleset and now the HH ruleset are very specifically meant to represent the events of the Horus Heresy, not the years after the Heresy ended but before M40. Warhammer 40k represents everything post-Heresy regardless of the actual date of events. So from a background perspective, your army couldn't be a religious order dedicated to the Emperor, as none existed during the Heresy.
They could very easily be a warrior order that only accepts women into its ranks but religion would be a big no-no if they served the Imperium.

You might want to read Solar War series because you're very wrong, Emperor cult was a thing even when the Heresy was just starting thanks to Lorgar and it was in full swing by the time Horus got to Terra. You have multiple characters praying to him during the battle and even repulsing daemons with it. Kind of hard to do so with something that doesn't exist.

As for Sister-like force, you can port them 1:1 with Imperial Army regiment with survivors of the Dark Age traits. All you then need is the worship thing and that is really minor detail, just have them keep religion of their home planet or be one of the first adherents of Imperial cult, simple.

 Backspacehacker wrote:
I dont recall though, is the lore with the space wolves still they basically told Girlyman to go pound sand and remained as a legion? or did that get retconned?

That was never a thing in the first place and essentially is pure BS invented by juvenile children from 4chan. SW were not only split into chapters, Russ wanted to plant them all over the galaxy around big Chaos rifts. Hell, the whole backstory of Russ and SW in Rogue Trader is them being freshly split off chapter, so that element was with them before SW were even a thing, really.

 Irbis wrote:

 Gert wrote:
The AoD ruleset and now the HH ruleset are very specifically meant to represent the events of the Horus Heresy, not the years after the Heresy ended but before M40. Warhammer 40k represents everything post-Heresy regardless of the actual date of events. So from a background perspective, your army couldn't be a religious order dedicated to the Emperor, as none existed during the Heresy.
They could very easily be a warrior order that only accepts women into its ranks but religion would be a big no-no if they served the Imperium.

You might want to read Solar War series because you're very wrong, Emperor cult was a thing even when the Heresy was just starting thanks to Lorgar and it was in full swing by the time Horus got to Terra. You have multiple characters praying to him during the battle and even repulsing daemons with it. Kind of hard to do so with something that doesn't exist.

As for Sister-like force, you can port them 1:1 with Imperial Army regiment with survivors of the Dark Age traits. All you then need is the worship thing and that is really minor detail, just have them keep religion of their home planet or be one of the first adherents of Imperial cult, simple.

 Backspacehacker wrote:
I dont recall though, is the lore with the space wolves still they basically told Girlyman to go pound sand and remained as a legion? or did that get retconned?

That was never a thing in the first place and essentially is pure BS invented by juvenile children from 4chan. SW were not only split into chapters, Russ wanted to plant them all over the galaxy around big Chaos rifts. Hell, the whole backstory of Russ and SW in Rogue Trader is them being freshly split off chapter, so that element was with them before SW were even a thing, really.

Thanks for the support and for the advice! I hope that the Liber Imperium keeps the Imperial Militia/Cults list relatively similar to the current version. I saw the Survivors of the Dark Age Provenance and immediately thought Battle Sister, since at that point the Grenadier is literally a Sister of Battle with just LD 7/8 instead of 8/9, which I think is completely fine. Now, I know some have brought up the 32mm/25mm base thing since Sisters are no longer on 25mm. I planned on using mostly third party models to go for a "feudal knight" look with bolters pretty much (similar to how the original Daughters of the Emperor were said to be found on the savage feudal world of San Leor) so do you think I should just put them on 25mm bases still? Or should I go with 32mm like they are currently? I would be fine with either but I feel like 25mm might be the way to go.

Again, thanks for giving some lore proof on how this can sort of work even during the Heresy. The most fun I have had in 40 is creating my own stuff, either through custom traits or some kitbashing and conversion of course, and it's why even now I usually play a custom Order of girls, especially in my Crusade campaigns!

 Irbis wrote:

You might want to read Solar War series because you're very wrong, Emperor cult was a thing even when the Heresy was just starting thanks to Lorgar and it was in full swing by the time Horus got to Terra. You have multiple characters praying to him during the battle and even repulsing daemons with it. Kind of hard to do so with something that doesn't exist.

The Cults are actively hunted by the Custodes and Malcador as they represent danger within the Palace walls. A couple of soldiers praying in battle because Angron is charging their lines doesn't mean a soft copy of the SoB is going to be around.
Maybe you should re-read the Siege books because it's very explicit that the Cults worshiping the Emperor are still very illegal and one of them ends up being a focal point for Nurgle corruption which nearly opens a Warp Portal within the Palace walls.
I can also bring up the leader of the Mortal forces who fought alongside the Raven Guard who admitted his Emperor worship to Corax. The only reason Corax didn't kill him is because the Loyalists were desperate for good soldiers and despite the utter disgust he felt, Corax couldn't waste the troops.
Hell, even Nathaniel Garro had to be very careful and secretive about his worship of the Emperor.
So actually no, religion still wasn't permitted even by the Siege.

That also works for this though! Since my original "Daughters of the Emperor"-ish idea literally has them as a relatively unknown, secretive cult of Emperor Worshipers. In the actual original Age of Apostasy lore they aren't even discovered until Goge Vandire goes to San Leor. Therefore they could have been on that world for centuries if not millennia before that as I have said previously.

Of course Emperor Worship was not permitted in 30k, but if this is a relatively unknown force anyway, then most wouldn't even know it's happening aside from the forces they do battle/come into contact with.

I definitely think this still works even with original lore and narrative discussing how Emperor Worship was illegal at the time of the Heresy and just after. Still though, the goal of this army is definitely to be a post-heresy force, so I think we should be good either way here. These girls are obviously not the SoB, just a sort of facsimile of them.

Except it doesn't.
Garro is one man able to hide his faith in isolation, yet his brothers in the Knights Errant suspect he may harbour a secret.
Marcus Valerius of the Therion Cohort (the Raven Guard's mortal allies) was allowed to live only because Croax needed the troops and after Yarant, Valerius and the Cohort were banished from the Primarchs side.
And as for the Cults during the Siege, did you miss the bit where I said they were hunted down by the Custodes?

You've already decided you're not actually playing HH anyway so please stop trying to justify your army's presence in the setting.

They will be modeled in power armour right? I reckon play them as Black Shields and make your own fluff for why they are the way they are. It's a big galaxy.

 PaddyMick wrote:
They will be modeled in power armour right? I reckon play them as Black Shields and make your own fluff for why they are the way they are. It's a big galaxy.

Yea definitely in power armor, so Black Shields are a possibility too. If I can't make the new Cults/Militia stuff work for them then I will just do that and call it a day. But I want to weigh all my options first.

30k and HH, as Historical as they are to the 40k setting, are still games that GW (sort of) want you to be creative with. Part of the original reason the lost II and XI Legions existed was to allow players to create their own forces for the setting. While not everything always fits, I am just trying to find my own niche in the system. While I was not a huge fan of the 7th edition ruleset, 30k has always interested me, and if I can try to play some sort of non-Astartes, non-Mechanicum, non-Auxilia, and non-Xenos army then I would rather do that then just do something I won't be as invested in.

Even if this force just gets hunted down by the Custodes in the end of their lore, so be it, just adds even more to my group's microcosmic fluff within the era of 30k. As you said yourself, it's a big galaxy, plenty of things that might not work can definitely still be there.

Again, i need to stress this point, the sisters of battle did not come about as a force from an existing one, like the sisters of silence.

The sisters of battle LITERALLY were created because of a technicality loop hole that allowed them to be made. So the idea of "The daughters of the emperor" being like a precursor to SoB does not really work because it does not make sense.

The Daughters of the Emperor were the precursors to the Brides of the Emperor, which in turn became the Adepta Sororitas.
A religious military order dedicated to the Emperor couldn't exist in the Heresy unless it was aligned with the Mechanicum and viewed the Emperor as the Omnissiah or an avatar of the Omnissiah. The Emperor had Monarchia atomised to prove a point to Lorgar, anything other than secret personal worship would be punished by death there and then.

That, it just would not make sense. If you wanted to run them as black shields, and say they are just a cult milita or something that works.

GFdoubles wrote:
. Part of the original reason the lost II and XI Legions existed was to allow players to create their own forces for the setting.

Not true, according to Rick Priestly. The opportunity for creating your own forces was the 1000-or-so unnamed chapters, the lost legions were just for depth and mystery and when the background was written he didn't have any mind to a game set in the 30k era.

I just don't get what you're trying to do or argue here. I'm sure there were lots of Imperial Cults popping up all over the place despite being outlawed (what better reason do you need to fight them with a Loyalist legion/chapter), but what is the purpose of connecting them to the Sisters of Battle and why this obsession with a nebulous concept of "30k" when there's nine editions (or eight if you need SoB) of 40k that are intended to represent just about anything post mid-M.31?

And while I'm OK with an Imperial Cult force, I have a really hard time seeing them in power armour. I doubt even the SoB precursor cults would have had those kind of resources and access.

Here’s my two cents on the subject.

Short version is that I think the idea of a female religious force similiar to the daughters/brides is completely capable of being done in a way that works lore-wise, but I’d personally work on making them a bit distinct (shaving certain emblems or maybe kit bashing with sisters of silence?).

Long version:

First a bit of semantics. I personally would consider “30k” (as in the Horus Heresy rule set) to be the time period where the generic unit rules would work in universe lore-wise. This would be technically great crusade through the scouring to when the Codex was fully implemented. Obviously there’s a bit of grey area, but by the war of the Beast we are distinctly outside the rules and flavor current 30k represents (though I’d love 30k style rules for other periods). Not that this really matters for the debate but since it’s been brought up I’d throw myself into the ring.

Anyway to the heart of the matter, yea the imperial cult was present in the heresy. It’s also important to remember that the imperial cult has had about a century to grow. Based on the books the imperial cult was definitely widespread in imperial society, but heavily underground. I don’t think there would be many worlds that are openly worshipping the Emperor after Lorgar’s chastising, but I can easily imagine worlds fully converted by Lorgar going underground and making contingency plans with small “totally not an emperor cult-militia army guys I swear”. While I’m sure many would be corrupted by the Word Bearers going to chaos not all would have. And more importantly during the Heresy I could easily see local governments turn to the emperor as proper imperial forces would focus on key strategic goals like Terra. Basically I don’t think forces on Terra or under major imperial figures like a Primarch, major Solar Auxilia command etc. would openly worship the Emperor without being “fired”. But a local Agri-world or Hive-World holding out deep behind Horus’ lines I can easily see turning to emperor worship for morale reasons.

If anything this would give good reason for Loyalist on Loyalist combat/games, as Imperial forces may see an Emperor worshipping militia as either a necessity to ally (like Corax and that general), or outright heretical and needing to purge just like Horus.

I think the idea has a lot of merit, I’d just on focusing on making a good rational reason for it and then focus on making the models a bit different from just standard Sororitas models. Anyway I could go on but I’ll stop, hope this helps!

R0bcrt wrote:
Here’s my two cents on the subject.

Short version is that I think the idea of a female religious force similiar to the daughters/brides is completely capable of being done in a way that works lore-wise, but I’d personally work on making them a bit distinct (shaving certain emblems or maybe kit bashing with sisters of silence?).

Long version:

First a bit of semantics. I personally would consider “30k” (as in the Horus Heresy rule set) to be the time period where the generic unit rules would work in universe lore-wise. This would be technically great crusade through the scouring to when the Codex was fully implemented. Obviously there’s a bit of grey area, but by the war of the Beast we are distinctly outside the rules and flavor current 30k represents (though I’d love 30k style rules for other periods). Not that this really matters for the debate but since it’s been brought up I’d throw myself into the ring.

Anyway to the heart of the matter, yea the imperial cult was present in the heresy. It’s also important to remember that the imperial cult has had about a century to grow. Based on the books the imperial cult was definitely widespread in imperial society, but heavily underground. I don’t think there would be many worlds that are openly worshipping the Emperor after Lorgar’s chastising, but I can easily imagine worlds fully converted by Lorgar going underground and making contingency plans with small “totally not an emperor cult-militia army guys I swear”. While I’m sure many would be corrupted by the Word Bearers going to chaos not all would have. And more importantly during the Heresy I could easily see local governments turn to the emperor as proper imperial forces would focus on key strategic goals like Terra. Basically I don’t think forces on Terra or under major imperial figures like a Primarch, major Solar Auxilia command etc. would openly worship the Emperor without being “fired”. But a local Agri-world or Hive-World holding out deep behind Horus’ lines I can easily see turning to emperor worship for morale reasons.

If anything this would give good reason for Loyalist on Loyalist combat/games, as Imperial forces may see an Emperor worshipping militia as either a necessity to ally (like Corax and that general), or outright heretical and needing to purge just like Horus.

I think the idea has a lot of merit, I’d just on focusing on making a good rational reason for it and then focus on making the models a bit different from just standard Sororitas models. Anyway I could go on but I’ll stop, hope this helps!

Thank you so much for all the support on this really! If I actually go through with this (based on the Imperial Militia rules) I will do everything I can to build a force from mostly converted models, probably Sisters of Silence and other third party bits. This army will definitely not be for any competitive games, just narrative and fun ones, the way a game like 30k should definitely be played of course! I will be sure to differentiate them plenty from SoB models, I just really want to represent some other Loyalist niche aside from Astartes/Imperial Guard/Mechanicum forces.

I thank you all for your comments, criticism, and suggestions, and I promise that if I go about this I will make it as lore friendly as possible in order to respect this wonderful game system!