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Just curious if I'll have good cause to make an army for my orchard of old metal fugly giant Treemen? I always liked the Ents assault on Isengard in the Two Towers movie

They have pretty reliably making monsters battleline-if for every tome possible, even going so far as to make a hero one such in Fyreslayers. We don't have any info but going by trends it is a safe bet.

Personally I liked it when being able to get monster battleline was more exclusive; when everyone gets it it's no longer special, ya know? But while I feel Magmadroth and Leviadon battleline were out of line* treelord battleline makes more sense specifically because of the 'ent army' motif. So that in particular is one I look forward to.

*Pun always intended.

I actually do not think that Treelords will become Battleline.

Bear with me here:
There's enough different Treelord options that it's a bit unnecessary. Between a Treelord Ancient, Spirit of Durthu, and the Treelord itself? That's three right there, with unique profiles/roles to each version.

I do think that something will let Kurnoth Hunters become Battleline. They're beefy units that could very well see a "Battleline If..." setup--and frankly could genuinely use it, since they're supposed to be the Free Spirits' bulk units...and they're effectively mini-Treelords!

I also think that Treelords of all stripes are going to get some kind of equivalent to "mount traits" and that there will be at least one subfaction letting you take an extra trait.

I believe they will become Battleline, for the same reasons Ninth does. It's just the Thing to do these days. I wish Monsters weren't all over the gakking place personally, but this is just the world we're in.

I can see strong arguements for everything in Sylvaneth getting the Battleline-If treetment.

Tree-revs/Spiterider Lances if Archrevenant General.

Spite-Revs/Spiterider not-lancers (I'm pretty sure it's a dual kit, right? Or did I gaslight myself here) if Drycha is general.

Kurnoth Hunters if Durthu General.

Treelords if Treelord Ancient General? Something along those lines?

Or, have them tied to Subfaction abilities rather than your General choice.

Revenant Seekers are the alternate build. They also wouldn't be with Drycha, at all.

I don't think the Lancers/Seekers will be a "Battleline If" option...or if they are, it will be for Alarielle herself.

I do think that the Gossamid Archers will be a "Battleline If" option for Arch-Revenants though...especially as they have the "Free Spirits" keyword(a hallmark, so far, of things implied to be Kurnoth aligned/originated--Spirit of Durthu, Kurnoth Hunters, Arch-Revenant, and now Gossamid Archers) rather than "Noble Spirits"(Treelord Ancients, Treelords, Branchwyches, and Tree-Revenants), "Forest Folk"(Dryads, Branchwraiths, and now the Lady of Vines).

Ogor kit does 6 variants. 2 are battleline.

It's gw thing. And with 8 subfactions they need some rules to separate them.

Ah, I was expecting the two different kits for the Cavalry to have the same separation as Tree/Spite Revenants.

Though Gossamids might be a battleline if, I think they'll be too cost prohibitive for their durability to really be good in that role? Maybe filling one of your battleline slots, just for force org purposes.

Oakenbrow: Treelord Battleline

Heartwood: Kurnoth Hunter battleline

Harvestboon: Revenant Seekers and Spiterider lancer battleline

Dreadwood: Spite-Revenant Battleline.

Tree-revenants/Dryads are still unconditional battleline

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I need more Kurnoth Hunters.

In case anyone wants to see the potato camera photo.

I'm concerned about all the point increases across the board given GW's record of balance. With Skaven AND Sylvaneth in my roster, I should come out with a fun to play army, hopefully.

The only price that concerns me is the Ancient v Spirit of Durthu thing.

It feels like the Eidolons all over again.

 Thadin wrote:
I'm concerned about all the point increases across the board given GW's record of balance. With Skaven AND Sylvaneth in my roster, I should come out with a fun to play army, hopefully.

Eh many nurgle armies went from 1400 or so to 2000 in new book. My fyreslayers went from tad under 2k to 2230. Stuff in general are taking increases. Sylvaneth are also getting plenty of buffs.

Oh and nurgle players said they are doomed yet are one of top armies :lol:

At least point changes aren't just "buy more models". Dropping starting barrier at least.

Oh of course, there was much doomsaying about Nurgle, and they're doing just dandy. Just worried about it, that's all.

A lower barrier is nice, and it does mean my already 4.5k collection is going to get me further! I should be able to find something fun to play, as long as it's not an extreme spam list.

 Kanluwen wrote:
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I need more Kurnoth Hunters.

Spoiler:

In case anyone wants to see the potato camera photo.

My Sylvanth playing, dryad hating, buddy will love that he can now just run Treelords as his BL. We'll probably never see his dryads on the table again.

The sylvaneth reddit has a mound of leaks out. Everything looks great.

Time to run this list.

1980pts
Alarielle
Treelord ancient

3 treelords.

And obviously you summon a 4th treelord with alarielle.

For added damage put the treelords into extra damage bat.

Heartwood

Arch-Revenant
Spirit of Durthu w/ Lord of Spites

3x Kurnoth Hunters w/ Bows
2x Kurnoth Hunters w/ Swords+Scythes

TOOTLE THE HORNS OF DOOM!

I can't say I'm a fan of the Greatbows. 4+ is just so uncomfortable. Heartwood helps mitigate against the chosen target, but still...

Also, you can't put Treelords in to Bounty Hunters. They're still a Behemoth. The symbol on the BH batallion isn't for Battleline, it's for non-Behemoth non-leader non-artillery.

Might want to reread rules on what happens with conditional battlelines


Hint: you have been able to play with like 8 stegadons despite 0-4 behemoth limit. Why is that?

In similar way why you think ogor beastriders were possible to have 5 in battle regiment while simultaneously unable to go alpha beast bat(2-3 behemoth

Legal list. Note 6 "behemoth"'s of which 5 is in troop slot.

- Army Faction: Fyreslayers
- Subfaction: Lofnir
LEADERS
Auric Runefather on Magmadroth (360)*
BATTLELINE
Auric Runeson on Magmadroth (320)*
Auric Runeson on Magmadroth (320)*
Auric Runeson on Magmadroth (320)*
Auric Runeson on Magmadroth (320)*
Auric Runeson on Magmadroth (320)*
CORE BATTALIONS
*Battle Regiment
TOTAL POINTS: 1960/2000
Created with Warhammer Age of Sigmar: The App


Has there been leaks what heartwood gives besides battleline? Wouldn't count old ones stay. Hagg nar is only one that i recall that didn't completely change.

Ah, I see. Took a FAQ to explain that. I've never done monstermash armies, so I never really looked deep in to the rules like that. I'd always figured those armies had a rule to bypass behemoth number limit, and that the Conditional Battleline wasn't replacing Behemoth.

Every role gets changed. Only conditional ones though. But that's why the bat is legal. Or you could go 2 drops but i expect low drops drop with the extra damage.

This one has advantage in no targets for it(same for kurnoth hunters...those could be mean in ghb22)

Greatbows seem meh. Greatswords still look like good MSU units, while the Scythes are for big bricks. Both of them seem great, but the Scythes may really win out.

Edit: At home now, ran the new stats through AoS Statshammer. Keeping things at a base level, the only buff being applied is All-out-Attack on Tree-Revenants due to their Martial Legacy rule.

Your maths mean nothing to me!

THERE WILL BE ALL THE PEW PEW!

You can push them up to 2.59/ 3.8/ 5.19/ 6.5/ 7.78 using Heartwood +1 to hit and the Archrevenants new Aura for +1 wound. Also, with the benefit of 30" range and being able to hide inside Awakened Wyldwoods and shoot out.

Overgrown still blocks Sylvaneth LOS, as far as I can see

 Thadin wrote:
Greatbows seem meh. Greatswords still look like good MSU units, while the Scythes are for big bricks. Both of them seem great, but the Scythes may really win out.

Edit: At home now, ran the new stats through AoS Statshammer. Keeping things at a base level, the only buff being applied is All-out-Attack on Tree-Revenants due to their Martial Legacy rule.

Martial legacy being free aoa? Keep in mind they likely won't use it all the time as that prevents other units using it.

Do we usually see Vanguard sets in AoS books now? Like how 40k books show a "building an army" around the Combat Patrol sets?

tneva82 wrote:

 Thadin wrote:
Greatbows seem meh. Greatswords still look like good MSU units, while the Scythes are for big bricks. Both of them seem great, but the Scythes may really win out.

Edit: At home now, ran the new stats through AoS Statshammer. Keeping things at a base level, the only buff being applied is All-out-Attack on Tree-Revenants due to their Martial Legacy rule.

Martial legacy being free aoa? Keep in mind they likely won't use it all the time as that prevents other units using it.

Martial Memories*. And, I don't know, is there precedent for this ability yet?

"Once per battle round, this unit can recieve the All-out Attack or All-out Defence Command without the command being issued and without a command point being spent."

The specific wording makes me think it's just something you get to do, and it doesn't stop you from using it elsewhere in that same round.

We do have similar abilities already. You can't use a Command Ability more than once per phase.

What joy, interacting with all these mechanics now, having played armies that never needed to know this, is making me look like a big ol dummy.

Ran through thew new leaks today. Again, nobody with any buffs besides non-conditional on their scroll.



Comparing the damage output of Durthu with Greenwood Gladius and All-out-attack, ranged profile included, but no AoA. Compared to a 205pt unit of 10 Spites with Archrevenants Command Ability. Both given the exploding 6s season.

One source for those are vanquard etc batttalions with identical wording. And faq confirms this.

Limit isn't just cp/issuing but using and hard to claim they don' use the ca