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Read the Devestation of Baal and currently reading the two Carcharadon books and this lead me to a few questions. The SPACE SHARKS are scavengers for the most part, but through some trade with the Ad-Mech and other exile's they do get more updated Wargear, BUT i can't imagine after a fight with say the Nightlords or Black Legion that they just leave that Wargear alone - that is much needed ammo/supplies and equipment. Here's my questions:

1. What do the Space Marines do with Traitor Armor and Geneseed? I mean they can harvest geneseed and i assume they do, but in the case of the Sharks i'd imagine that gear is still GEAR.
2.What is the difference in terms of quality between say Heresy Era armor (i think its MK3 or 4) and say Primaris Armor?
3. The Primaris Geneseed was a bit more stable and was said to have fixed some of the flaws, which flaws did it exactly fix?
4. I've tried looking this up, but i've yet to get a concrete answer - Traitors scream "DEATH TO THE FALSE EMPEROR!"....who is the real Emperor then to them?
5. I've read a lot of the Death Guard and Smurf books and ....do you think they'll actually try to convert Mortarion? The Emperor seems to want, but i think GW is too far up their own ass and will just go "grimdark LOLS"? I think it would be kinda interesting to see a DG loyalist army and a DG traitor army on the tabletop - have Typhus just straight up replace Morty (nurgle likes him way more anyway and its all Typhus' fault)...I don't think this'll happen as Mort's already got a model n gak, but i think it would spin a neat narrative.
   
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1. I'm not sure what they would do with Traitor gene-seed or if they would even try to recover it. I think as far as gear goes, there is a process for re-consecrating chaos gear that isn't too far gone, but how much you would try to do that depends on the chapter. I think purists would probably destroy it, but the space sharks have something of a reputation for wanting all the gear they can get their hands on, so it's not a stretch they might try to recover as much traitor wargear as possible.

2. Primaris armor is not compatible with earlier armor types, being designed for a different anatomy structure altogether, but most other armor marks can be used interchangeably. I think I remember reading somewhere in the lore that mk II and Mk III, while interchangeable with each other, needed modifications before they could be used with MK IV and afterwards.

3. I think deviations such as the wulfen mutation and black rage(blood angels) are less common among primaris, but not unknown.

4. I don't think they recognize any emperor. They just want you to know that the one they used to follow is a sham.

5. I seriously doubt they would ever convert a daemon-prince primarch back to the loyalist side, but GW also routinely blows up their own lore, so.... not gonna say impossible. Just highly unlikely.

Hope this helps.

   
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1. What do the Space Marines do with Traitor Armor and Geneseed? I mean they can harvest geneseed and i assume they do, but in the case of the Sharks i'd imagine that gear is still GEAR.

Pretty sure they'd destroy it when it's logistically feasible to do so. They're certainly not going to use it for themselves, and leaving it laying around just gives other chaos marines a reason to raid you. So barring some sort of inquisitorial/mechanicus mission, I imagine they'd either leave it to rot or put a couple bolt rounds into it.

2.What is the difference in terms of quality between say Heresy Era armor (i think its MK3 or 4) and say Primaris Armor?

The protection offered seemly to be comparable. It's probably basically just upscaled firstborn armor with some plug-ins for Cawl's pet tech and default settings based on Cawl's preferences.

3. The Primaris Geneseed was a bit more stable and was said to have fixed some of the flaws, which flaws did it exactly fix?

Think this has been semi-retconned. When primaris were first introduced, GW made it sound like primaris were free of gene flaws like the wulfen curse, the red thirst, etc. It is implied in newer fluff that nope, those flaws are still present, at least a little bit.

4. I've tried looking this up, but i've yet to get a concrete answer - Traitors scream "DEATH TO THE FALSE EMPEROR!"....who is the real Emperor then to them?

It's not necessarily that there's a true emprah, it's just that The Emperor is definitely illegitimate. Sort of like, "Not my president."

5. I've read a lot of the Death Guard and Smurf books and ....do you think they'll actually try to convert Mortarion? The Emperor seems to want, but i think GW is too far up their own ass and will just go "grimdark LOLS"? I think it would be kinda interesting to see a DG loyalist army and a DG traitor army on the tabletop - have Typhus just straight up replace Morty (nurgle likes him way more anyway and its all Typhus' fault)...I don't think this'll happen as Mort's already got a model n gak, but i think it would spin a neat narrative.

Eh... To each their own. Trying to "cleanse" Morty or some of his deathguard would be pretty awkward and out of tune with the rest of the setting. At the very least, plague marines (which I think basically all DG are at this point?) are largely physically composed of semi-daemonic germs and logic-defying wounds. If you snap your fingers and make all the magic germs go away, you're left with a marine whose intestines are hanging out and whose other organs might be gone because they've been partially made of puss and tumors for the last few millennia.

As for Morty, I'm the first to say that 40k can get in its own way by doing the grim thing instead of the cool thing, but redeeming a daemon primarch seems pretty extreme. Like, if you can redeem a daemon primarch, then how irreversible is anyone else's chaos corruption really? And how hard do you make it to redeem him? Can the assassinorum start planning missions to redeem Fulgrim and Angron with warm hugs and therapy? It's one of those cans of worms that proooobably wouldn't be narratively interesting enough to be worth the downsides.

That said, loyalist vs chaos death guard can kind of be a thing. It's implied that some of the loyalist members of traitor legions got scooped up and quietly dumped into successor chapters after the Heresy, so you could totally have loyalist sons of Mortarion out there specializing in washing their filthy cousins from the galaxy.

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1. Equipment and Geneseed from Chaos Marines.

As covered, equipment could be cleansed. However, that’s going to vary wildly chapter to chapter - and won’t necessarily be the same outcome for a given suit.

Chaos Marines absolutely do recover Loyalist kit. So it’s entirely feasible a given suit found on a dead Traitor is going to be all sorts of different ages.

2. Mk.X armour is simply more advanced, and is a modular system which can be adapted for different roles.

3. Well, modern Geneseed by its nature is a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy going back 10,000+ years.

Some Chapters had lost function in certain of the organs which make someone a Marine.

Cawl, given he was working from original stock? Didn’t have those problems. So it’s not improved as such - just a much younger generation. So any flaws inherent initially appeared to have been done away with. But as the Indomitus rolls on, they’re manifesting again.

4. Just spoiled children. You’re Not My Real Dad, I Wish I’d Never Been Born type stuff.

5. Well? Who knows. Emperor wanting something and Emperor getting something aren’t the same thing. But…if The Emperor is indeed a nascent God with one foot in the grave, I suppose it is feasible his wayward Primarch’s could cross the floor. They wouldn’t become mortal again I don’t think - just Emperor’s Daemon Prince equivalents.

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