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With a new edition of The Horus Heresy up for pre-order, this is a time for new players to join the 30K community...or maybe not.

So let us know if you are getting into 30K with the new edition, or not, and give us your thoughts.

Cheers.

Yes, it seems like the first actually good build of 40k since 4th edition. Possibly even the best ever.

Picking my dudes is pure agony tho since we don't know which units are going to plastic and everyone and their dog gonna be rocking those 40 beakies and a Spartan.

I'm getting into Horus Heresy, I've always wanted to but the "forge world expensive resin" aspect was a hard block. so... yeah looking forward to this now!

and yeah I agree with Blackfang that to start with a loot of lists are going to seem kinda samey, but give it time for folks to build the basics, spool up their 3D printers and or decide "I can afford a few things from forge world" and things'll look more unique

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Yes, it seems like the first actually good build of 40k since 4th edition. Possibly even the best ever.

Picking my dudes is pure agony tho since we don't know which units are going to plastic and everyone and their dog gonna be rocking those 40 beakies and a Spartan.

I know what you mean. I am bouncing around from legion to legion trying to find the best home for me. It's been hard, but hopefully it will be worth it.

Funny how I keep forgetting that printing is an option. I've had a resin for 2 years and I don't think I've ever printed a GW/FW knockoff outside long OOP stuff like BFG.

Heck I will totally print 40 studded pads just so I don't have to deal with the seam down the middle.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Funny how I keep forgetting that printing is an option. I've had a resin for 2 years and I don't think I've ever printed a GW/FW knockoff outside long OOP stuff like BFG.

Heck I will totally print 40 studded pads just so I don't have to deal with the seam down the middle.

I'm not a "3D PRINTING WILL REPLACE GW" guy by any means butI do expect to see variations on various heads etc being put out.

if i go, then i want to do a scouring era Alpha legion force.

Which i am planning and toying around but first i am going to get the rules before i commit anything.

I bought a whole bunch of bits years ago with the intent to get into heresy, including calth and prospero, but then it kinda died out around 8th edition and FW seemed to lose interest as well, so it's been on the backburner for ages.

I'm putting together some mark iii/iv to make up half of my first tac squad - chance to practise my shadow crusade World Eaters paint scheme before the big box arrives! Then I'll bulk it out with 10 of the mark vi from the box.

Another 10 are earmarked for special weapons (will probably magnetise).

I'll probably then do another mixed 20-man squad of mark iv/vi with melee arms, and magnetise jump packs so I can run them as despoilers or an assault squad.

I'll paint up the cataphractii and spartan, cos why not. I have an old leviathan and venator in resin somewhere in my shame mountain too.

After that, dunno. Maybe red hand destroyers with the last mark vi. Definitely want to get some red butchers for the spartan. Javelins if they come out in plastic, same with deimos predators.

I'm 3d printing chainaxes, melee arms, and longer legs for the mark iii/iv, as well as a smattering of sarum pattern heads. Will be printing additonal elbows for the contemptor to magnetise for sure, maybe some extra weapons (want to have a chainfist option, probably kheres and volkite too). I think I will be printing studded/spiked mark vi pads too!

I do also have a variety of forgeworld blood angels bits I intended for 40k (eventually), but I could always do a 30k force instead.

Keen to start playing HH, although I don't know against whom just yet. One of the 40K players in our group is big on IW so maybe he can be persuaded to make a 30K compatible list as well..

I'm going with a somewhat unconventional Blood Angels army (MEQ heavy builds, no psykers), with automata and SoS allies added in later if possible. Money is not a big obstacle for me so I don't care if I need to rely on a bit of resin, but obviously I prefer plastic for large builds, if for nothing else than lighter transportation freight.

The army is intended to pull double duty as an army for both 40K & 30K. I aim to have as many units as possible viable for both systems, in addition to having some "unique" units for both systems (at least some Gravis armoured units for 40K, Thallax for 30K).

Yes I am, after living it for so long in Epic scale the plastics have finally made it easy enough for my entire group to take the plunge.

Sons of Horus all the way.

I'm very excited, but I won't be getting anything from the new models. I played militia and cults back in the day when HH first came out. Like others said, the interest died in my area and I had to shelve them.

So I'm just pumped that there are a dozen or so new people that want to try 30k out. I wanna give them something fresh to play against when they get tired of all that marine on marine action. A couple hundred screaming cultist should be fun for both sides to chew through

I'm not interested in playing 30k officially, although I am interested to hear about the core rules and how they may have evolved from the 3rd-7thed 40k paradigm.

I could concieveably play 30k using the original RTB01 beakies plus a RT era vehicle pool. Almost none of that is painted though and I'm not sure when I'll get around to that.

I’ve all but moved away from GW products, but most of my wargaming friends are still playing 40K. I wasn’t planning on buying the new HH box set until I realized that I was the only one not getting into it (peer pressure, blah blah blah).

That said, I am a fan of the HH lore and have read several books in the series. I am also looking forward to playing a GW game that is not full of bloat and nonsense (at least, for now). I just hope that all of the ridiculously expensive FW special units for each legion are released in plastic eventually.

It will be really interesting to see how GW releases “historical” missions. I’m a big fan of historical wargames, and I would love to see more narrative-focused content for different battles.

 Freytag93 wrote:
I'm very excited, but I won't be getting anything from the new models. I played militia and cults back in the day when HH first came out. Like others said, the interest died in my area and I had to shelve them.

So I'm just pumped that there are a dozen or so new people that want to try 30k out. I wanna give them something fresh to play against when they get tired of all that marine on marine action. A couple hundred screaming cultist should be fun for both sides to chew through

Cults and militia, aswell as R&H in 40k were always a giggle, unless you specifically went out of your way to break the match up.
Still, who doesn't want to shout Hurrah and let swaths of infantry go over the top of a trench into superhumans and only holding on by sheer arty and meat for the grinder.
incidentally i have 3 R&H armies sitting in a vitrin and or boxes that would fit in perfectly.


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As an aside, has anyone an idea on how to make scales for AL efficently out of greenstuff and or suggestions for bits?

I ordered the big box and a set of special weapons. I already have the BaC and BoP boxes, as well as some legacy RTB01s (about 60-75 for the Ultras)and two vintage rhinos. Plus the 40k stuff that can cross over

A couple of FLGSs ago there was some interest, And I kitbashed a destroyer squad (half of which is painted) with all the spare bolt pistols in my bits box. I plan on taking the rest of my Mk. III guys and build the bolter-destroyer squad GW gave us the free rules for a while ago (assuming they are still valid in the new edition)

The RTB01 guys can form a footslogging core, 2-3 large squads of bolter boys, and smaller ML and flamer support squads. I’ve got 2 Mk. IV vet squads which can go in the rhinos, and a sparten and 2 LRs full of terminators can spearhead up the table.

Obviously things can change when I get the rules. I’m at least going to pick up a sicarian, maybe more stuff. Probably reserve some of the new Mk. VI for when the other heavy weapon box comes out so I have more support then just ear MLs and HBs (which I have from old kits)

I snagged a Word Bearers army for really really cheap a couple years ago (with lots of FW too - primarch, characters, gal vorbak, ashen circle, dreads, etc) and grabbed a few random things over the years to add to it (fw rhino, apothecaries, etc) - that, combined with a couple friends who love 30k, meant that it was inevitable that I would play in some capacity.

The big box and all the (more) affordable plastics was the tipping point, and I've always had an interest in Salamanders, so I took the plunge to have a loyalist Salamanders force in addition to the Word Bearers. Plus it seems like they will play very differently to each other.

I have to admit the rules previews and such have made me go from "I guess I'll play with my pals since they love it" to "I'm really looking forward to playing"

I'd have been more interested if the launch box was not just Marines.

I get that the Heresy is primarily Astartes related. But there's supposed to be such a wide variety of forces involved that there could have been a lil' bit of everything out of the gates.

cpugeek13 wrote:
I’ve all but moved away from GW products, but most of my wargaming friends are still playing 40K. I wasn’t planning on buying the new HH box set until I realized that I was the only one not getting into it (peer pressure, blah blah blah).

That said, I am a fan of the HH lore and have read several books in the series. I am also looking forward to playing a GW game that is not full of bloat and nonsense (at least, for now). I just hope that all of the ridiculously expensive FW special units for each legion are released in plastic eventually.

It will be really interesting to see how GW releases “historical” missions. I’m a big fan of historical wargames, and I would love to see more narrative-focused content for different battles.

I think most/all the core stuff is rumoured to end up coming to plastic, but the unique units will remain in resin for the forseeable. It would make sense, as plastic generic kits you can sell to players of any legion - and even if not everyone needs say, a plastic assault squad, melee legions will buy more to compensate. Legion specific units on the other hand will always be individually smaller sales, so like the new legion heads/shoulders they're more practical in resin. You never know though!

I'm looking forward to the 2.0 version of the Exemplary Battles PDFs which are coming, and hopefully more too. Some nice additional fluff, missions and units without going bananas. I hope they don't replicate 40k on rate of campaign books though, keeping up with the changes there is just way too much too often.

I have a Solar Auxilia army, so I wouldn't even be able to participate until October. The fact that HH is staying 7th edition based just reaffirms my desire to sell this army and never look at HH again.

 necrontyrOG wrote:
I have a Solar Auxilia army, so I wouldn't even be able to participate until October. The fact that HH is staying 7th edition based just reaffirms my desire to sell this army and never look at HH again.

Do so now and someone whose willing to be patient will no doubt pay a good price.

At the risk of sounding like a complete twonk (“I was into it before it was cool hurhur!”) I was part of a small community that got into pre-heresy gaming in the late 00s following the release of the HH trading card game and then art books, as well as the Black Library series which had just started. A bunch of us (mostly centred around the Great Crusade forums and Tempus Fugitives group) collected and converted pre-heresy just based off converting existing 40k kits. Some of this was pretty time consuming (mk5 armour for instance involved shaving down mk7, adding cabling and drilling holes for tiny railway rivets to give the studded appearance!) and things like the Khorne Berserker heads were like gold dust on bits sites, as you could remove the bunny ears for mk3 helms. There were components scattered throughout GW ranges (WHFB Tomb King bits for Thousand Sons etc) as well as home made garage casts and people became quite ingenious at using them.
Later on FW released the 1st mk4 conversion kit (it was ostensibly for the Badab War book and Red Scorpions) and a lot of us leapt on that as an easy way to bulk up armies. I often wonder if the bump in sales of that kit either confused FW or actually alerted them to the idea of a Horus Heresy line - perhaps it did, I guess we will never know.
Anyway there were a ton of community events based on either the Crusade or the Heresy and it was a pretty fun thing to be involved with, there was a ton of creativity both on the modelling and the narrative side of things.

Some years later FW released the official Horus Heresy book 1 and it caused a revolution in the community but I think also sadly started to split it. Firstly, it was horrendously expensive. Before that Pre-heresy had been a very cheap niche of the hobby to play, as most of us were self building or using 2nd hand and standard 40k bits. Suddenly you had this leather-bound book which was a work of art but cost £70, and I don’t need to tell anyone here about the price of FW.
Secondly it was during the height of what some labelled as GW’s “summer of terror” - for anyone that doesn’t remember it there was a series of big price rises, the Finecast release debacle, and most egregiously C&Ds were being sent to fan community sites. This affected people like the Tempus Fugitives, who had the temerity to charge for printing of one of their Heresy event rules and narrative packs. Subsequently I read descriptions of them such as ‘bitter ex-staffers trying to get one over on GW” (really - those people that had spent so many hours of their own time organising events for a hobby they loved). It all got quite ugly. I know people these days will think that this is normal (just look at the arguments in the FB groups) but back then amongst that community it wasn’t.
Some forums started to become fearful places, run by individuals who were perhaps justifiably terrified that they would be next in line for a C&D. You can understand their approach to delete whole threads on subjects which they thought might get them in trouble and start banning users, but the net result was that it made those places no fun to be and I think quite a few members of the community drifted away at that point.

So turn a wall of text into something relevant I kind of have mixed feelings about the new HH releases. I think it’s great such an evocative period of gameworld history is so accessible now (and great that the prices mean more can get to experience it). But it definitely makes me nostalgic about the small bubble of community and gamers that existed before the ‘official’ FW releases came along. It has left a lot less room for creativity from both the modelling, homebrew rules making and also the sense of fun that existed before, although undoubtedly some less bloodied fingers from trying to scrape bunny helms off and gluing guitar wire in place!

 necrontyrOG wrote:
I have a Solar Auxilia army, so I wouldn't even be able to participate until October. The fact that HH is staying 7th edition based just reaffirms my desire to sell this army and never look at HH again.

This is what I really hate about new game release cycles, people end up with either invalidated armies or not being able to use them. I’m sure the new game is close enough that the v1 rules can just be ported over at least for friendly games (and mean you don’t have to hide in a cave for 6 months!)

 Pacific wrote:


Subsequently I read descriptions of them such as ‘bitter ex-staffers trying to get one over on GW”. I know people these days will think that this is normal (just look at the arguments in the FB groups)

FB groups about Warhammer are such cancer. They are so blindly positive that GW could sell 1 space marine for $200 and you would get banned for questioning the price point even in the most polite way possible. The justification is usually "GW employees are here". Interesting, I'm in a bunch of Porsche groups with Porsche employees and nobody has any problem making fun of the 996 headlights or maintenance of a targa top. It's the same in groups about watches, guns, knives, gaming computers, etc. GW is the only company where the most ardent fans seem to base their own self worth on the public perception of a company they buy plastic toy soldiers from.

I picked up the box, every once in a while there's a GW release that snags me, and the throwback to the original mk 6 armour box was just too much! Finishing an old apocalypse stompa assembly, then moving on to sons of horus and probably alpha legion if the two tone vallejo spray paint works as I hope it will.

I bought the old Betrayal at Calth box years back when it was released and it's been gathering dust since. I originally wanted to paint it UM vs WB as it should be, but now given the new set it'd be nice to actually produce a proper legion.

I'm rather stuck on what to go for tbh. I want to go AL, love the rules and trickery involved, but I'm assuming all the rules will change in time with the new release. So far then I have 30x Marines, 5x Cataphractii, a Contemptor and the 2 Characters. What other Legions would fit this nicely?

Alpha Legion get to take a single choice of another Legion's unique unit in an army list e.g. Firedrakes, Dark Talons, Gal Vorbak, and count all enemy weapons as 2" further away than normal for purposes of shooting attacks e.g. Bolters wouldn't get Rapid Fire at 12" and would be out of range at 24".
One of the AL Rites of War allows for 3 unique units from other Legions to be taken.
Overall it's a solid choice for a Legion and the Headhunter unit finally got buffed to be better rather than worse than generic Legion Seekers.

 Gert wrote:
Alpha Legion get to take a single choice of another Legion's unique unit in an army list e.g. Firedrakes, Dark Talons, Gal Vorbak, and count all enemy weapons as 2" further away than normal for purposes of shooting attacks e.g. Bolters wouldn't get Rapid Fire at 12" and would be out of range at 24".
One of the AL Rites of War allows for 3 unique units from other Legions to be taken.
Overall it's a solid choice for a Legion and the Headhunter unit finally got buffed to be better rather than worse than generic Legion Seekers.

Being able to steal another unique unit was one particular thing I noticed in the old books.

Speaking of the rules. I obtained copies of the old 30k rules over the years, to what extent are these still valid? I'm a little out of the loop with the new HH stuff, is this a complete redo of all the rules, Legion add-ons etc, or are the old Rites, Legions and extras still applicable to an updated core rulebook?

It's a full reboot I'm pretty sure.

 Valkyrie wrote:
Being able to steal another unique unit was one particular thing I noticed in the old books.

Speaking of the rules. I obtained copies of the old 30k rules over the years, to what extent are these still valid? I'm a little out of the loop with the new HH stuff, is this a complete redo of all the rules, Legion add-ons etc, or are the old Rites, Legions and extras still applicable to an updated core rulebook?

Warhammer: The Horus Heresy is a new set of rules, meaning the Age of Darkness rulebook and the accompanying army books are no longer usable in the current edition.
The new core rules and Legion army books were made available on Saturday for either pre-order or purchase. Mechanicum (including Knights and Titan Legios) are due in August, with the other Imperial factions (Talons and Solar Auxilia) due in November IIRC, while Daemons of the Ruinstorm and the Cults & Militia lists are being made available as PDFs.