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Accept them because they are 100% valid models to use in the game and trying to exclude them would be like trying to say you cant use a unit in your Libra.
Backspacehacker wrote: Accept them because they are 100% valid models to use in the game and trying to exclude them would be like trying to say you cant use a unit in your Libra.
Excluding many of them seems extra punitive if they're already paying a lot of points or more than before for something less than ideal compared to its former glory. Same time taking too many units that have like a needless 200pts or more tax on the larger end could really bloat some lists.
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At most i will lower some points which seem comparatively excessive if someone brings anything on it.
Other than that, its a 30k miniature for a 30k game, if it is in a valid slot in the force org and the points on the list accurate, why should i care?
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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
Well, I'll be focusing more on stuff that is somewhat balanced. And if I take anything that's egregiously overpowered, then I'll take stuff that's equally underpowered as well.
Still think GW could have done a better job on it, though I doubt they'll return to it.
Backspacehacker wrote: Accept them because they are 100% valid models to use in the game and trying to exclude them would be like trying to say you cant use a unit in your Libra.
They are 100% valid by strict RAW. But it's very obvious that the legacy pdf was a zero-effort dumpster fire like the 40k legends rules, with no attempt whatsoever being made to ensure that the units are both balanced and interesting to use. Some seem too strong, some are so blatantly terrible that GW might as well have put in giant bold letters "DO NOT EVER USE THIS TRASH". So I think it's absolutely fair to say that when GW publishes rules that are this lacking in quality the best thing to do is ignore them.
That's the great thing about the Heresy community at large: rules being "official" is less of a concern. There's already a push to redo the points on practically the entire PDF and just use the community agreed upon points with GW's rules.
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Platuan4th wrote: That's the great thing about the Heresy community at large: rules being "official" is less of a concern. There's already a push to redo the points on practically the entire PDF and just use the community agreed upon points with GW's rules.
Platuan4th wrote: That's the great thing about the Heresy community at large: rules being "official" is less of a concern. There's already a push to redo the points on practically the entire PDF and just use the community agreed upon points with GW's rules.
Where would one find that document?
IIRC one of the big community groups is called mournival, and they are already working on a points rebalance for the spreadsheet, they were big enough to have their own option in battle scribe if that means anything.
They were already in the process of putting out a point list for the unit that were in the pdf before GW did.
The Liber Panoptica is one that beat the Legacies PDF to release, too.
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Would be nice to have the rules for the non SW stuff as well. As of now all I have is a list of models I'll have rules for in the book and a big question mark around the ones that were dropped.
So TOC took a stab at "fixing" the pdf. I'm not sure what the point is ultimately if you have to patch this edition out the gate doesn't bode well for future releases.
Racerguy180 wrote: I only had a few issues with their upgrades to the pdf(only cuz it effected my Indomitus termis) and they'd a better rjob than GW did.
Lets be honest thats a low bar to do better then GW on that lol.
Racerguy180 wrote: I only had a few issues with their upgrades to the pdf(only cuz it effected my Indomitus termis) and they'd a better rjob than GW did.
Lets be honest thats a low bar to do better then GW on that lol.
Let's be honest, trying to faq 2.0 out the gate looks exactly as awesome as it does
Racerguy180 wrote: I only had a few issues with their upgrades to the pdf(only cuz it effected my Indomitus termis) and they'd a better rjob than GW did.
Lets be honest thats a low bar to do better then GW on that lol.
Let's be honest, trying to faq 2.0 out the gate looks exactly as awesome as it does
Racerguy180 wrote: I only had a few issues with their upgrades to the pdf(only cuz it effected my Indomitus termis) and they'd a better rjob than GW did.
Lets be honest thats a low bar to do better then GW on that lol.
Let's be honest, trying to faq 2.0 out the gate looks exactly as awesome as it does
I mean i expected an FAQ out the gate as there will inevitably be issues in the rules. If GW put out a single codex that did not need an FAQ im pretty sure the sky would be falling, if they managed to put out a BrB with out needing an FAQ at that point i would be getting ready for the second coming because its the ends times at that point.
The PDF was a huge pile of poo so putting out anyhting better then it would not be hard.
